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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

Morning folks, sorry to derail the topic, it's just i know there are lots of UK posters on this board.
I'm working for Britain's oldest delivery service again.
It's a warning about any parcels you may order in the run up to the Christmas holidays, the sorting office is carnage, letters mixed in with parcels, stuff all over the floor getting booted into other people's zones.
I had a letter stuck to the side of a parcel that I only spotted when I was out on the round, i would have delivered it but I am tracked and the letter was miles away, i'm only supposed to have parcels.

My training day when I went out with a bloke who has done 18 years and he said recent changes have made the job nigh on impossible not to make bad decisions.
I had a training video at the induction which said you must never use a recycle bin as a safe place, 75% of the parcels on my training day went into a recycle bin.

The managers are just saying get the parcels delivered! if nobody answers i have been trying neighbours and had a house where the neighbours on both sides said no, he's a twat, i got daggers when I took the parcel back to the depot (I was on a notorious estate) with no safe place other than a bin, the training video was my fall back excuse.

Anyway the message guys is get yourself registered on the RM app and input a safe place, maybe get yourself a plastic box for parcels and try and leave it out of sight if possible, it's a case of delivered at all cost, do not return with parcels, from management.

I work the afternoon shift and have been told to stop delivering at 9pm, but try and finish for 8pm, so expect any deliveries up to those times.

It's going to get messy with parcel deliveries up to Christmas, just a heads up.

As you were 👍
 
matt<3ketamine said:
only other medication i'm taking is subutex (and the 20mg diaz, that went up to about 30-40mg when i first came off for first few days and back down) but i'm having a helluva time with it's seemingly 'generic vs (now closed) Subutex official brand' quality problem happening for a few of us atm, i dunno if that would help with pregab WD's? (being nearly in opioid WD's too lol)
I used 300mg daily, and it started out because they helped me climb better (ironic or what) and get out of the house more lmao. Glad i've still got a bit of real stuff for 'if the day requires that boost of weird energy i get from them' but i'm gonna keep it like every other chemical thing that stimulates me - at arms length haha
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benzos will certainly help, suspect subutex might too though I know naff all about opioids - guessing it might help with headaches and muscle pain?
matt<3ketamine said:
Really hope you can figure a way yourself to taper down, if your wanting. I know that if I can, someone who's stuck in their room with them all day, i'd hope others with better lives to live can too.
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I'm doing surprisingly well to be honest, just mild headaches now, I'm more thinking ahead to next time already....but it's weekend warrior mode for me ideally, with a few tolerance breaks I doubt I'll have any issues.

50shadesofDave said:
Morning folks, sorry to derail the topic, it's just i know there are lots of UK posters on this board.
I'm working for Britain's oldest delivery service again.
It's a warning about any parcels you may order in the run up to the Christmas holidays, the sorting office is carnage, letters mixed in with parcels, stuff all over the floor getting booted into other people's zones.
I had a letter stuck to the side of a parcel that I only spotted when I was out on the round, i would have delivered it but I am tracked and the letter was miles away, i'm only supposed to have parcels.

My training day when I went out with a bloke who has done 18 years and he said recent changes have made the job nigh on impossible not to make bad decisions.
I had a training video at the induction which said you must never use a recycle bin as a safe place, 75% of the parcels on my training day went into a recycle bin.

The managers are just saying get the parcels delivered! if nobody answers i have been trying neighbours and had a house where the neighbours on both sides said no, he's a twat, i got daggers when I took the parcel back to the depot (I was on a notorious estate) with no safe place other than a bin, the training video was my fall back excuse.

Anyway the message guys is get yourself registered on the RM app and input a safe place, maybe get yourself a plastic box for parcels and try and leave it out of sight if possible, it's a case of delivered at all cost, do not return with parcels, from management.

I work the afternoon shift and have been told to stop delivering at 9pm, but try and finish for 8pm, so expect any deliveries up to those times.

It's going to get messy with parcel deliveries up to Christmas, just a heads up.

As you were 👍
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golden bit of intel thanks
 
50shadesofDave said:
Morning folks, sorry to derail the topic, it's just i know there are lots of UK posters on this board.
I'm working for Britain's oldest delivery service again.
It's a warning about any parcels you may order in the run up to the Christmas holidays, the sorting office is carnage, letters mixed in with parcels, stuff all over the floor getting booted into other people's zones.
I had a letter stuck to the side of a parcel that I only spotted when I was out on the round, i would have delivered it but I am tracked and the letter was miles away, i'm only supposed to have parcels.

My training day when I went out with a bloke who has done 18 years and he said recent changes have made the job nigh on impossible not to make bad decisions.
I had a training video at the induction which said you must never use a recycle bin as a safe place, 75% of the parcels on my training day went into a recycle bin.

The managers are just saying get the parcels delivered! if nobody answers i have been trying neighbours and had a house where the neighbours on both sides said no, he's a twat, i got daggers when I took the parcel back to the depot (I was on a notorious estate) with no safe place other than a bin, the training video was my fall back excuse.

Anyway the message guys is get yourself registered on the RM app and input a safe place, maybe get yourself a plastic box for parcels and try and leave it out of sight if possible, it's a case of delivered at all cost, do not return with parcels, from management.

I work the afternoon shift and have been told to stop delivering at 9pm, but try and finish for 8pm, so expect any deliveries up to those times.

It's going to get messy with parcel deliveries up to Christmas, just a heads up.

As you were 👍
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i wonder why we would need to know ¯\(ツ)/¯ lol
anyway, it's greatly appreciated the information, keep on truckin' lad!
 
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Anyone come across the Tenpal Diazetan brand yet?
I don't have the printer for a wedinos test, seem ok to me but would like other reports if possible, no results on wedinos atm.

Thanks you beautiful bunch ❤️
 
So im running out of my pregabilin stash. Ive taken it for a few years now (yes I know nt the wisest idea ive ever had) with points where a few months ago I was getting to a point where I was hitting 900mg a day.

I did get that quickly back down to 600mg. Now ive come down too 300mg and although its been a bit tough its not terrible. I have about 450mg left. I am not buying anymore. I have around 60mg of diazmepam perscribed to maybe help with the withdrawls.


How should I go about this? Should I take 300mg tomorrow and the other 150mg monday and take 10mg of diazepam monday with them? Then possibly 10mg the next day? Then Wednesday try 5mg diazepam ect?

I slightly worried as I might end up ringing about in a panic if I do start suffering bad.

Anyone came off 300mg abruptly after a few years of use? I used to take 150mg no problems but tolerance grew at some point. I dont get high off them anymore and they just seem like keeping the horrid anxious feeling away but ive become to nt like them anymore and want to get off it.

Ive seen a few people come off stupid doses and although they suffered for a few weeks they didnt have a seizure to their/my knowledge.

Im hoping i will be fine. Sorry if this a bit of a derail
 
@Bare_head

Not trying to be a "Debbie Downer" but I have read and heard that pregab w/ds are a nightmare. So personally I'd definitely taper down a lot more slowly and gradually, rather than abruptly going from 300mg to 150mg to nothing in 3 days.

After a few years of use, I think you may suffer greatly if you do that. This is just based on what I have read, here and elsewhere, and not something I've ever personally experienced, as I've never taken pregabs long enough or regularly enough to become dependent.
 
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Bare_head said:
So im running out of my pregabilin stash. Ive taken it for a few years now (yes I know nt the wisest idea ive ever had) with points where a few months ago I was getting to a point where I was hitting 900mg a day.

I did get that quickly back down to 600mg. Now ive come down too 300mg and although its been a bit tough its not terrible. I have about 450mg left. I am not buying anymore. I have around 60mg of diazmepam perscribed to maybe help with the withdrawls.


How should I go about this? Should I take 300mg tomorrow and the other 150mg monday and take 10mg of diazepam monday with them? Then possibly 10mg the next day? Then Wednesday try 5mg diazepam ect?

I slightly worried as I might end up ringing about in a panic if I do start suffering bad.

Anyone came off 300mg abruptly after a few years of use? I used to take 150mg no problems but tolerance grew at some point. I dont get high off them anymore and they just seem like keeping the horrid anxious feeling away but ive become to nt like them anymore and want to get off it.

Ive seen a few people come off stupid doses and although they suffered for a few weeks they didnt have a seizure to their/my knowledge.

Im hoping i will be fine. Sorry if this a bit of a derail
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I am also not trying to scare you, I was prescribed pregabalin for nerve pain and i found it to be one of the worst withdrawals ive went through. I was also taking it for well over a year and at the max dose of 600mg. I had taken gabapentin previously and I’d forgotten it on holidays and suffered no real withdrawal so when I forgot my pregabalin once I didn’t think anything of it until I was losing my mind as to what was going on and realised.

If you can, figure out a taper for a few weeks at the very least get enough to cover that, even just to see how you react, we all have such unique metabolisms. For myself if my drs are changing my meds I always assume a 10% time line for reducing so if I’ve been on a drug for 2 years - 24 months - 2.4 months for reducing and we build a taper and assess it as we go. I absolutely took much longer with my pregabalin taper and I even moved to gabapentin and tapered off that because it was just so horrible.

Jumping to 300mg may not have been bad but I fear a quick taper to nothing will not go well even with diazepam.

Just to say I’ve come off morphine and fentanyl after long hospital admissions and whilst not great they were way more manageable.

Pregabalin is a funky drug and I’ve worked really hard with my own GP practice and the others in the building to educate them on the side effects and the withdrawals after realising they hadn’t a clue and were prescribing it like smarties to people they wanted to get off tramadol.
 
+1 on the taper recommendation, there was a report of an AUS user getting seizures recently.

Attached link has some info I cobbled together but I've not validated the taper info so don't trust it, and my pregab usage has never been daily, the linked papers might have some info in them though

placebonaut

Gabapentinoids Post in thread 'Beware of Lyrica (Pregabalin)'

@Tronica imho there's not enough talked about pregab withdrawal on the site, it would get more eyes and help more people in a more mainstream sub

@Lyricarma hope you're doing ok now, seizures is a risk when going cold turkey from pregabalin/lyrica, pretty scary shit! how long ago was this?

recommendation is to do a longer taper, I was looking at this myself last week so here's the notes I made - if anyone is going to use this WARNING, I've not validated the info so worth checking it with a reliable source.

What I would say is that YMMV is a big factor here, I'm on my 3rd...
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Thanks guys yeah i maybe in for a rough one. I kind of feel it just coming from 600mg to 300mg with no other meds.. so I have about 45mg of valium and about 54 x 300mg gabapentin. Ive only ever tried it at 600mg (gabapentin) what would say be an equivalent dose of 300mg pregabilin? Ive heard its about 6x times as strong than gabapentin? So 1800mg = 300mg pregabilin or close to? I only have 54x 300mg of them though so idk how that will work out. I have around 150mg left that I took out of a 300mg capsule so will take that and have 10mg of valium and might take some gabapentin around 900mg if I dont feel great.

Ive had seizures before but mainly off psychedelics funnily. Think its that 5-HT2A receptor activity for me though. Had it twice from psilocybin and once from 2c-t-7.

I just want off this drug now though as ive become almost a prisoner to it and it doesnt do anything but make me feel normal which is scary whats to come when I come off this.

Will look at taking it easy the next few days,

I noticed nausea just coming down from 600mg to 300mg last week and seem to be stabilising although I was topping myself up past few days with 10mg.of diazepam which seemed to help a bit.

Any drugs I should stay away from when coming off this? Weed i feel might make my anxiety worse... caffeine i used to drink solely with pregabilin and it did seem to help the high until tolerance hit..

Thanks again guys for the wisdom ❤️
 
ordinary mind said:
The trick is finding a point where you're just feeling withdrawals a little bit, so that after a week of taking that dose you're no longer feeling any notable discomfort. Then you get to drop it down again lol :D
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Medically, it's termed 'seesawing'. For opioids and sedative/hypnotics, a single daily dose taken in the evening ensures that at leaast the client is relatively 'well' and so cant at least sleep.

It does seem that insomnia is the symptom that directly or indirectly means a client 'cracks'.

Let's face it, even if you don't use ANYTHING, a week without sleep and who of us would be persuaded to take something just to get some rest. Now place yourself in the position of knowing EXACTLY which medication will 100% definitely work and you see the problem.
 
Bare_head said:
Thanks guys yeah i maybe in for a rough one. I kind of feel it just coming from 600mg to 300mg with no other meds.. so I have about 45mg of valium and about 54 x 300mg gabapentin. Ive only ever tried it at 600mg (gabapentin) what would say be an equivalent dose of 300mg pregabilin? Ive heard its about 6x times as strong than gabapentin? So 1800mg = 300mg pregabilin or close to? I only have 54x 300mg of them though so idk how that will work out. I have around 150mg left that I took out of a 300mg capsule so will take that and have 10mg of valium and might take some gabapentin around 900mg if I dont feel great.

Ive had seizures before but mainly off psychedelics funnily. Think its that 5-HT2A receptor activity for me though. Had it twice from psilocybin and once from 2c-t-7.

I just want off this drug now though as ive become almost a prisoner to it and it doesnt do anything but make me feel normal which is scary whats to come when I come off this.

Will look at taking it easy the next few days,

I noticed nausea just coming down from 600mg to 300mg last week and seem to be stabilising although I was topping myself up past few days with 10mg.of diazepam which seemed to help a bit.

Any drugs I should stay away from when coming off this? Weed i feel might make my anxiety worse... caffeine i used to drink solely with pregabilin and it did seem to help the high until tolerance hit..

Thanks again guys for the wisdom ❤️
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Honestly, because gabapentin has such low bioavailability it can be quite hard to figure out an equivalent. There is a 6:1 ratio discussed by NHS I believe. So if a patient was taking 1200mg of gabapentin it would be equivalent to 200mg pregabalin. I myself don’t think these calculations are accurate but I know it has been and may be currently still used when moving someone from gabapentin to pregabalin and tapering off.

To be honest, it is good you have gabapentin at hand so that you are not totally without. Due to your previous seizure activity I would be concerned for a sudden drop even though you have diazepam, I don’t think you have many?

I’m not sure how many pregabalin you have left but figuring out a slow as possible taper and then switching to gabapentin and see what dose you are suffering less with is one way to go.

Actually I did a search there to see about the ratio I mentioned earlier and it offers some good advice.

Switching between gabapentin and pregabalin for neuropathic pain

An overview of possible dose equivalences, switching methods and considerations to make before switching between immediate-release gabapentinoids.
sps.nhs.uk sps.nhs.uk
 
Isn't the way both of those gabapentinoids are transported quite unusual? I seem to recall when Pfizer considered 4-methyl pregabalin as the next logical step, they spent a lot of time figuring out the limitations the transport imposed on their options.

Sorry, OT. I just found it an interesting little detail.
 
4DQSAR said:
Isn't the way both of those gabapentinoids are transported quite unusual? I seem to recall when Pfizer considered 4-methyl pregabalin as the next logical step, they spent a lot of time figuring out the limitations the transport imposed on their options.

Sorry, OT. I just found it an interesting little detail.
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Yeah you’re right, they are funky drugs. I really hate how quick Drs are to prescribe them.
 
MsDiz said:
Honestly, because gabapentin has such low bioavailability it can be quite hard to figure out an equivalent. There is a 6:1 ratio discussed by NHS I believe. So if a patient was taking 1200mg of gabapentin it would be equivalent to 200mg pregabalin. I myself don’t think these calculations are accurate but I know it has been and may be currently still used when moving someone from gabapentin to pregabalin and tapering off.
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6:1 is commonly quoted but I've read ranges from 2:1 up to 6:1, YMMV I think, for me gabapentin kicks much harder than 6:1, it's more like a 4:1.

Bare_head said:
so I have about 45mg of valium and about 54 x 300mg gabapentin.
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Save the valium for a rainy day, IIRC you can use Gabapentin for a pregabalin taper given their methods of action, IMHO you'd be better with a longer taper than your supply though, can you get more? or even better get more pregabalin and do a slower move to gabapetin 1st then taper

just make sure you spread your gabapentin doses out through the day as well, taking too many at once will just overwhelm your LAT1 and you'll piss it out.

54 pills doesn't give you much to work with but you might squeeze a couple of weeks out of them, might be rough though....
 
placebonaut said:
6:1 is commonly quoted but I've read ranges from 2:1 up to 6:1, YMMV I think, for me gabapentin kicks much harder than 6:1, it's more like a 4:1
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Yeah honestly, it’s why I said I highly doubt it. I don’t really think you can put a proper ratio on it to be honest. Metabolisms are so different, it’s a really individual thing with gabapentin which is why I always say that you can start with something like 6:1 but realise that you need to find where you lay by trying things out.

You’re absolutely right that it would be much better to get more pregabalin and do a longer taper and either cross taper with the gabapentin and reduce or use the gabapentin to ease the jump after finishing the pregabalin.

It really isn’t an easy withdrawal, it definitely left an impression on me and I’m pretty hard to shake up as it were.
 
I admit, one of the very few compounds I would be curious to try (as long as it wasn't a 'mystery powder game') is 4-methyl pregabalin.

The extant data suggests 4-methyl pregabalin 2.5-3 times as active as pregabalin, is transported into the brain even faster than pregabalin and like pregabalin about 96% of any oral dose is excreted unchanged by the bladder.

The thing being - no metabolites...

So the desperate with low esteem could likely stay 'high' off one single (large) dose by staying hydrated and 'Paltrowing' their urine... or the urine of someone else who has consumed the stuff. I was going to say 'friend' but IF any of my friends consume their own (or indeed anyone else's) urine, they at least have enough self-respect not to mention the fact.

Take THAT, Tinder!
 
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