EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[MsDiz]

I admit, one of the very few compounds I would be curious to try (as long as it wasn't a 'mystery powder game') is 4-methyl pregabalin.

The extant data suggests 4-methyl pregabalin 2.5-3 times as active as pregabalin, is transported into the brain even faster than pregabalin and like pregabalin about 96% of any oral dose is excreted unchanged by the bladder.

The thing being - no metabolites...

So the desperate with low esteem could likely stay 'high' off one single (large) dose by staying hydrated and 'Paltrowing' their urine... or the urine of someone else who has consumed the stuff. I was going to say 'friend' but IF any of my friends consume their own (or indeed anyone else's) urine, they at least have enough self-respect not to mention the fact.

Take THAT, Tinder!

I would never have guessed where that comment went. I am laughing away!!

 

[Bare_head]

Haha .

Yeah god my stomach feels strange today took around 150mg a few hours ago but dont feel like its hit at all. May have some high fat foods and then try some gabapentin at 600mg x 2 over the day and see if it helps at all.

Idk why I decided to do this. I dont feel like im gonna die yet but I imagine its gonna get worse as the days progress... we will see.

On a plus my friend said he can get alprazolam but I find them a strange one in terms of effects aswell. Nothing like dizepam/ temazepam ect..

Anyone else get that hollow/ calm but really kind of hollow mind on alprazolam?

I find anything above 3mg to just make me begin to blackout really aswell..

Its a strange benzo for sure I find

 

[placebonaut]

I admit, one of the very few compounds I would be curious to try (as long as it wasn't a 'mystery powder game') is 4-methyl pregabalin.

The extant data suggests 4-methyl pregabalin 2.5-3 times as active as pregabalin, is transported into the brain even faster than pregabalin and like pregabalin about 96% of any oral dose is excreted unchanged by the bladder.

The thing being - no metabolites...

So the desperate with low esteem could likely stay 'high' off one single (large) dose by staying hydrated and 'Paltrowing' their urine... or the urine of someone else who has consumed the stuff. I was going to say 'friend' but IF any of my friends consume their own (or indeed anyone else's) urine, they at least have enough self-respect not to mention the fact.

Take THAT, Tinder!

Its a strange benzo for sure I find

it just makes me sleep

On a plus my friend said he can get alprazolam but I find them a strange one in terms of effects aswell. Nothing like dizepam/ temazepam ect..

benzo's will help with some of the pregab withdrawals, but will it stop seizures or the stomach problems? I don't know in honesty....I'd not want to risk it myself though unless someone knows for sure?

 

[Bare_head]

Yeah i found alprazolam brilliant for sleep but it does have this window where my emotions feel blank. Its a bit different to how diazepam or temazepam effect me (although the latter temazepam does knock me out)

I also found clonazepam to have a similar effect to alprazolam though alot less sedative.

I think they should help with making it less prone to seizures/blackouts from the pregabilin cessation but ofc this isnt a guarentee.

I have found some minor discomfort today namely stomach churning and feeling a little more awake aswell as a bit of a headache. Strange as pregabilin was always very stimulating to me in terms of its effects though no problems when I want to sleep.

I do think it might get worse but im prepared to run out and try score some if worse case comes to it but I really want to come down and opening those 300mg things and then weighing the dose out can be a right pain. Some dont open so u need to use w razor blade to open it and then trying to get them into a paper skin without losing alot can be a pain too..

I really was shocked to find there isnt more clinics that deal with these addictions. I imagine going to unity/drug and alcohol wont end with me getting a script to titrate down off and plus I hate having druggy on my doctors records as they just treat you differently seen it first hand with my parents. I know the doctors outright refused to give me it when i asked last year even though my psychiatrist put me on them to begin with over 10 years ago (I didnt try anymore than 75mg and thought they were shit so stopped it)

Sorry for the rambling.

I am stupid to get myself depending on any drug really. I was always very wary about getting addicted as my first addiction was etizolam when it was legal to buy online and that taper was horrid.

I imagine this might be worse but atm im feeling okish tbh

Im not sleeping anyways since stopping alprazolam which I began getting a slight habit too... I know imagine being addicted to both .

I really hate being this way. I know that once I stop this pregabilin addiction I will be searching for the next thing to control my emotions but I honestly realising as im getting older that drugs are not really the answer long term.

 

[Bleaney]

The thing being - no metabolites...

So the desperate with low esteem could likely stay 'high' off one single (large) dose by staying hydrated and 'Paltrowing' their urine... or the urine of someone else who has consumed the stuff. I was going to say 'friend' but IF any of my friends consume their own (or indeed anyone else's) urine, they at least have enough self-respect not to mention the fact.

So in theory, someone desperate enough could keep recycling one good dose of pregabalin for quite some time?

If it's urinated out about 96% unchanged, then so long as they remained well hydrated, in theory they could get a number of days out of one dose, by repeatedly 'recycling' it?

In all honesty I don't think I'd be likely to try this with pregabs, they are almost cheap as chips, and very easily available, but if it was for some substance that was a lot more valuable/rare/sought after/or just something I'd developed a nasty addiction to, and was running out of supply, then I have tbh, I just might consider the idea.

 

[MsDiz]

Yeah i found alprazolam brilliant for sleep but it does have this window where my emotions feel blank. Its a bit different to how diazepam or temazepam effect me (although the latter temazepam does knock me out)

I also found clonazepam to have a similar effect to alprazolam though alot less sedative.

I think they should help with making it less prone to seizures/blackouts from the pregabilin cessation but ofc this isnt a guarentee.

I have found some minor discomfort today namely stomach churning and feeling a little more awake aswell as a bit of a headache. Strange as pregabilin was always very stimulating to me in terms of its effects though no problems when I want to sleep.

I do think it might get worse but im prepared to run out and try score some if worse case comes to it but I really want to come down and opening those 300mg things and then weighing the dose out can be a right pain. Some dont open so u need to use w razor blade to open it and then trying to get them into a paper skin without losing alot can be a pain too..

I really was shocked to find there isnt more clinics that deal with these addictions. I imagine going to unity/drug and alcohol wont end with me getting a script to titrate down off and plus I hate having druggy on my doctors records as they just treat you differently seen it first hand with my parents. I know the doctors outright refused to give me it when i asked last year even though my psychiatrist put me on them to begin with over 10 years ago (I didnt try anymore than 75mg and thought they were shit so stopped it)

Sorry for the rambling.

I am stupid to get myself depending on any drug really. I was always very wary about getting addicted as my first addiction was etizolam when it was legal to buy online and that taper was horrid.

I imagine this might be worse but atm im feeling okish tbh

Im not sleeping anyways since stopping alprazolam which I began getting a slight habit too... I know imagine being addicted to both .

I really hate being this way. I know that once I stop this pregabilin addiction I will be searching for the next thing to control my emotions but I honestly realising as im getting older that drugs are not really the answer long term.

Please do be careful, not only are you jumping off what is considered a drug that treats seizures (which is why a lot of people have them when they stop suddenly and go into withdrawal) but you’ve also stopped alprazolam. With your history of seizures in the past I would very much worry that your risk is higher.

I really do hope you can get through it but my advice still remains that it would be best to have more pregabalin to do a proper taper.

 

[4DQSAR]

If it's urinated out about 96% unchanged, then so long as they remained well hydrated, in theory they could get a number of days out of one dose, by repeatedly 'recycling' it?

In a manner of speaking... YES.

BUT never forget that the body excretes toxins so as an ROA, 'Paltrowing' is not healthy. That's why I stated hydration is important.

Urine contains ions the body has a surplus of so like drinking salt-water, in fact it dehydrates but also a lot of metabolites of medications and equally of things on a person's diet that while not at all toxic because they never accumulate, WOULD accumulate if one were redused to this...

Method?
Trick?
Paraphilia?

 

[Bleaney]

There is where well rounded knowledge comes into play, rather than just knowing bits and pieces, you know the full picture.

 

[placebonaut]

There is where well rounded knowledge comes into play, rather than just knowing bits and pieces, you know the full picture.

Piss tastes funny, it's a hint not to drink it

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Piss isn't that bad a drink when it's all adult and consensual.

 

[Bare_head]

Anyone mixed a low dose of diazepam with alprazolam before?

God my head was banging last night and could not get it shifted. Im trying to put it down to the lack of caffeine as I drink lots on pregab and didnt have any yesterday after my final 150mg or there abouts dose.. i actually dont feel too bad now after 10mg of valium and a small vape on my perscription vape cart from montu the lack of sleep may also be making me a bit funny.. maybe i crash later.

Also my regulation of heat seems crazy. I might try 600mg of gabapentin to see if that helps though my mate said he gonna bung me 600mg pregab today so I will take 300 today and try make it last a bit longer than 24 hours, or try open them up but they can be so finicky to open and get into a skin and weigh it on my small milligram plate (its tiny!)

Think going to try with this taper properly and go as slow as I can. 3 years on this stuff which tbh the first year was a low dose (150mg) and not daily it soon got to daily use then 300mg a day ect ect...

Its a bitch to get off this stuff I will take your guys words for it over anyone else I listen to. Bluelight hasnt failed me yet and likely saved my life numerous times over the 23 years ive been on here!

I remember coming on here maybe 2003 or so. Everyone has always given me top tier advice

 

[Bare_head]

Piss isn't that bad a drink when it's all adult and consensual.

I will take your word for it

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

One dram of teenage piss a day and you can live forever.

 

[4DQSAR]

Piss isn't that bad a drink when it's all adult and consensual.

Sure, Bear Grylls's bizarre 'ménage à un' was fine, assuming he gave himself consent.

The fact the even BASIC survival training makes it clear that if it's pee or nothing, nothing is more hydrating. That old 'well, don't I have a spare kidney anyway?' is dubious logic.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

My urine consumption has never been in a survival scenario. Unless you count your girlfriend pouring it out as a survival scenario.

Sure, Bear Grylls's bizarre 'ménage à un' was fine, assuming he gave himself consent.

The fact the even BASIC survival training makes it clear that if it's pee or nothing, nothing is more hydrating. That old 'well, don't I have a spare kidney anyway?' is dubious lo

 

[placebonaut]

Anyone mixed a low dose of diazepam with alprazolam before?

yup, and high dose diaz, and xannies with lots of things I shouldn't....booze, GBL, pregab, phenibut, soma.

I may have a small gaba tolerance....

God my head was banging last night and could not get it shifted. Im trying to put it down to the lack of caffeine as I drink lots on pregab and didnt have any yesterday

might be caffeine, might also be pregab withdrawal tbh

 

[Bleaney]

Piss tastes funny, it's a hint not to drink it

Yeah, but if it's 96% pure, excellent, rare, very expensive drugs, I'd probably put up with the taste. (Say if it was the finest grade of opium in the world, for example.)

For at least one recycle.

Shame this only seems to work at 96% for pregabs being passed through almost completely unchanged. AFAIK. Clearly, this is not a subject about which I have expert level knowledge.

 

[4DQSAR]

Yeah, but if it's 96% pure, excellent, rare, very expensive drugs, I'd probably put up with the taste.

For at least one recycle.

Shame this only seems to work at 96% for pregabs being passed through almost completely unchanged.

Well, again pregabalin is a bit unusual in that it's a zwittrion due to having both a basic amine and a caroxylic acid moiety. It has the useful property of being utterly insoluble in acetone so I would at least obtain a solid and I guess consider the next step. An impure solid offers far more options than an impure liquid as if nothing else, less material to deal with.

How pregabalin is made is quite fascinating. Developers found a bacteria (or yeast, I forget which) that does most of the 'heavy lifting' - nature is so much better at chiral products.

Now I would be amazed if someone hadn't already found an analagous route for 4-methylpregabalin BUT I estimate it would be in an Indian journal. India seems world-leading in some biochemical fields. L-PAC for (pseudo)ephedrine, for example. They found organisms that provide the isomer wanted with almost 100% ee.

 

[Bleaney]

Think going to try with this taper properly and go as slow as I can. 3 years on this stuff which tbh the first year was a low dose (150mg) and not daily it soon got to daily use then 300mg a day ect ect...

Its a bitch to get off this stuff I will take your guys words for it over anyone else I listen to. Bluelight hasnt failed me yet and likely saved my life numerous times over the 23 years ive been on here!

I remember coming on here maybe 2003 or so. Everyone has always given me top tier advice

We're speaking in generalities. There are always outliers. You might be one of them. Someone that can stop pregabs with a minimal taper, with minimal issues. It's unlikely, but not impossible.

I'd look up what the elimination rate, and half life is. Maybe see how you feel on a new day without taking any, see how long you can hold out, see what happens? But obviously have the meds to hand, ready to take on an empty stomach as soon as it's felt necessary.

Or probably safer to try reducing by 100mg from 300mg to 200mg and see how you feel after that. You can always have that extra 100mg to hand, before eating any food, so if you do start to feel really bad, you can easily top up.

I'd really read up loads on other peoples experiences with coming off it.

Does it pose risks of brain injuries like with benzos if you reduce too fast? I think the seizure risk has already been mentioned by yourself and at least one other person.

Get some general ideas of percentage reductions, and rates of reductions. Although ultimately of course it will come down to what works for you.

I think I've made a bit of a hash of this post. Maybe there was a kernel of maybe a point worth considering, but I've not presented it as well or as coherently as I would have liked.

It's been a very long day!

I can't believe the amount of overtime I'm putting in at work lately.

 

[Bare_head]

Whats the consensus on clonazepam doing the rounds atm? Think they are the galenka branded ones but not 100% on that. Saw a fee weidnos tests and they all seemed legit but im sure bleany said there were alot of fakes going about? Will just send some off to weidnos to test them. Usually they taste minty right? Is that the case for the galenka branded ones aswell? Sweet minty tasting. Obviously a minty taste doesnt gtd its that but thought id ask