Didgital
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no it was the hemisulfate which is almost but not quite as potent as HCL. For all purposes I consider it the same though.
For 100mg of the HCL one would need 100/.95 = 105mg. They close enough imo.
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For 100mg of the HCL one would need 100/.95 = 105mg. They close enough imo.
Yeah, I was mostly kidding...
But I do remember a time when they allowed everyone to buy and play with stuff, then deemed it unsuitable to play with...
For concrete example:
Your very own toy Atomic Laboratory
So stranger things have happened in my lifetime already
^^^ made me forget wtf i was gonna post. cool for real - looked at image for like two minutes. i got a couple erector sets i havent dug into yet. i will. gottabout 20 years left, so, yeah. no hurries on that end.
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wanna trip soon but that rick and morty shit is potent as hell.
i wanna have the strong visuals and other perceptions that i know it will bring but fuckin scared of it for some reason.
took 1/2 tab the other day and it felt like it was too much even though i had prepped by ingesting 1mg bnz. and hells yeah the bnz works. hahahaha
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wanna trip soon but that rick and morty shit is potent as hell.
i wanna have the strong visuals and other perceptions that i know it will bring but fuckin scared of it for some reason.
took 1/2 tab the other day and it felt like it was too much even though i had prepped by ingesting 1mg bnz. and hells yeah the bnz works. hahahaha
Brazil sounds like the city I went to university in hahaha, that's fucking awesome.
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Recently I was very fortunate to access some 2C-D and mescaline as the hydrochloride salts. So far, in the world of psychedelic phenethylamines, I've used DOM, DOB, DOC, 3C-P, allylescaline, full spectrum mescaline acetate, peyote (notably unique), 2C-B, 25B-NBOH, 25B-NBOMe, 25I-NBOMe, 25E-NBOH and 25C-NBOMe. I think that's the full list of them so far at least. I recently tried to do a full rundown of the list of everything I've ever tasted and the list is 174 entries long, but I am not about to sift through them all looking for phenethylamines I might've missed haha.
2C-D, expectedly, felt like 2C-DOM if that makes sense. There's a distinctly ambiguous cognitive enhancement and very noticeable somatic enhancement from DOM that I felt in 2C-D. 2C-D commanded more erotic energy than 2C-B ever has in my opinion which is extraordinarily high praise. 2C-D really bangs in combos, memantine, DPT, mitragynine, THC/HHC, a tisane of Ephedra sinica, even etizolam didn't really interfere, all of this reminds me heavily of 2C-B but 2C-D seems to be more of a team player if that makes sense.
Mescaline HCl down to 75mg was well noticeable which I did not expect, and it's fascinating how when compared to peyote or full spectrum extracts from cacti there is simultaneously some set of characteristics that become significantly enhanced, and others that aren't really noticeable. Simultaneously more than I expected in certain ways and nearly invisible in other ways.
300mg of mescaline HCl was fantastic, 75mg was useful and far more noticeable than expected, and mescaline certainly appears to produce tolerance whereas 2C-D seemed to resemble 2C-B in not forming tolerance that I could notice. For mabon I'll be trying it at 500mg, I'm quite excited. Hopefully I'll be employed soon, got through the certification processes I needed to knock out today, officially passed as of this morning.
Took 70mg of memantine and maybe my scale is off because, fuck, this really caught me off guard. I've been trying to establish an understanding of its "plateaus" akin to DXM because it does appear to exhibit that kind of dose-response curve. Feels like I ate a bunch of PCP, it's quite strange. I've got a mason jar full of the hydrochloride salt so I've been using it in compounding experiments, it mixes with mescaline, LSD and DOM quite well. Tonight's an MGM-15, mirogabalin, etizolam, THC/HHC and memantine kind of night, but the real hype is aimed at mabon mescaline.
Love to see a good ground score. Were you aware of the pill's contents or was it a roll of the dice?
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Almost sheer guesswork, but i'd say a solid 80mg of MDMA anecdotally. I knew what it was supposed to be (friend and I rolled earlier in the week)...I'm not crazy enough for total ground finds lol! I was just like...what is that half circle neon green thingy on my floor... doesn't look like something the dog should eat and...here we are!
I've lost gel tabs I later found on the floor and just cracked in half, ate my half and threw the other to my fiance. High school me though did not want to be alive and I absolutely sampled some random floor opioids during the pill mill days.
Interesting. I've asked others with experience about whether there is distinct similarity in effects between DOM and 2C-D, and most said no, not really. You're the first to suggest such similarity. DOM is definitely on my todo list, so I will hopefully be able to get my own impression soon enough.
As for the erotic---well---I think 2C-B is great, but it kind of holds back compared to most of the other common 2C-drugs. IMO 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-P, 2C-T-2, and 2C-I are all better in the bedroom than 2C-B.
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I'm not someone usually up for tolerance experiments with psychedelics, but all my experiments with 2C-B so far pointed towards it having some for me personally. All of these have in common occurring during drug-fueled rampages which do occasionally happen to me, so one day I'll have to control for these externally factors.
A most recent (first time) encounter with MDMA induced a pseudo-entactogen-ish haze (some of the magic was there, but my abuse of its related compound has left me with the conclusion that I've flown a couple too many times too close to the sun, and thus the MDMA was only a shadow of what it should have been): 24 mg 2C-B were added to the mix in an effort to squeeze some magic out of it, but the experience was muted by the stimulants, yet reasonably visual. When that was over and done with, say 4-5 h later, another 24 mg of 2C-B were added. Zero response. Then, after sleep and some amount of recovery (despite the ludicrous amount of MDMA used, the aftermath was astoundingly tame, especially when compared to something like MDA even in responsible use), I couldn't help but test my tolerance hypothesis by intake of 27 mg 2C-D. Maybe some slight problems with focus, but zero psychedelic effects.
I remember an earlier attempt in the past where I was unhappy with a low dose of 2C-B in the morning and chased it with a higher dose in the afternoon, which was even more lacklustre.
Funny. One day, I'll have to take a full break from all drugs for a couple weeks and take 2C-B in the morning and in the afternoon at the same dose. Something is fishy with me. Probably for the best that I can not add psychedelics to my drugs of abuse though
@iom Interesting, 2C-B and 2C-I seem adequate for the bedroom, 2C-T-2 I can see but never gave much thought, but 2C-D and 2C-E do not seem to have erotic capabilities for me at all. Actually tested is only the 2C-B, which was excellent, but my partner does not take psychedelics and I'm most comfortable doing psychedelics completely alone. I should trip more with my partner though (even though she does not use).
A most recent (first time) encounter with MDMA induced a pseudo-entactogen-ish haze (some of the magic was there, but my abuse of its related compound has left me with the conclusion that I've flown a couple too many times too close to the sun, and thus the MDMA was only a shadow of what it should have been): 24 mg 2C-B were added to the mix in an effort to squeeze some magic out of it, but the experience was muted by the stimulants, yet reasonably visual. When that was over and done with, say 4-5 h later, another 24 mg of 2C-B were added. Zero response. Then, after sleep and some amount of recovery (despite the ludicrous amount of MDMA used, the aftermath was astoundingly tame, especially when compared to something like MDA even in responsible use), I couldn't help but test my tolerance hypothesis by intake of 27 mg 2C-D. Maybe some slight problems with focus, but zero psychedelic effects.
I remember an earlier attempt in the past where I was unhappy with a low dose of 2C-B in the morning and chased it with a higher dose in the afternoon, which was even more lacklustre.
Funny. One day, I'll have to take a full break from all drugs for a couple weeks and take 2C-B in the morning and in the afternoon at the same dose. Something is fishy with me. Probably for the best that I can not add psychedelics to my drugs of abuse though
@iom Interesting, 2C-B and 2C-I seem adequate for the bedroom, 2C-T-2 I can see but never gave much thought, but 2C-D and 2C-E do not seem to have erotic capabilities for me at all. Actually tested is only the 2C-B, which was excellent, but my partner does not take psychedelics and I'm most comfortable doing psychedelics completely alone. I should trip more with my partner though (even though she does not use).
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Didgital
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Hmm maybe I will find out about 2C-D in the bedroom tonight. I'm tripping currently on a low dose of 12mg and I think I'll take just a little bit more before I go out on a date tonight with a girl I been seing. She's young, drop dead gorgeous and Tanzanian. She loves and knows mushrooms but nothing else. That could possibly change tonight.
I think low dose 2C-D could be really good though assuming I don't get in my head. High dose 2C-D I somewhat compare to MDMA. During peak experience I am feeling so satisfied already... that I don't notice any sort of sex drive/excitement.
2C-B I've found very erotic and tactile though I can find it overwhelming in a way. T2 seems very promising as it's super soft and fuzzy but also I would think both partners would need prior experience as it can* have a pretty serious body load. The E i wouldn't even think about trying.
I mean 2C-D is like DOM, but i would say better in pretty much every way. Smoother, less stimulating/pushy, mentally clearer, maybe less visual but thats fine w me.. It's duration is also a plus, If I want I can redose with it to extend duration, DOM does not have that option.
I could actually never take DOM again and i think id be ok with that.
I think low dose 2C-D could be really good though assuming I don't get in my head. High dose 2C-D I somewhat compare to MDMA. During peak experience I am feeling so satisfied already... that I don't notice any sort of sex drive/excitement.
2C-B I've found very erotic and tactile though I can find it overwhelming in a way. T2 seems very promising as it's super soft and fuzzy but also I would think both partners would need prior experience as it can* have a pretty serious body load. The E i wouldn't even think about trying.
I mean 2C-D is like DOM, but i would say better in pretty much every way. Smoother, less stimulating/pushy, mentally clearer, maybe less visual but thats fine w me.. It's duration is also a plus, If I want I can redose with it to extend duration, DOM does not have that option.
I could actually never take DOM again and i think id be ok with that.
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I think most people would probably agree with this sentinment, few have the demeanor I do towards these things where I love it as intense as possible. A 90mg of DOM intranasally was a top tier trip, lasted numerous days, had some MDMA involved. I believe this was during a period where I was eating some ice every morning too, I'm glad the old ticker held up through that shit. There was shockingly no scary cardiac effects that I could find, and the headspace was useful but very serious, reminds me of mescaline and LSD in that way, whereas allylescaline and 3C-P and 2C-B are much less serious.
2C-D made me exceptionally curious about what 25D-NBXX's are like, I've used 25(E/C/I/B)-NBXX's so far, I imagine 25D would resemble 25E but probably feel more "serious" like I was talking about above. 25B-NBOH and 25B-NBOMe do not really resemble one another, and I'm so curious about whether or not 25D-NBOMe and 25D-NBOH would have any commonalities. DOB has something in common with 2C-B much more than it does DOM, and DOM has something in common with 2C-D I would say. I suspect that my encounters with DOC would resemble 2C-C. What gets me is that I'd argue there is something overlapping between both DOB & 2C-B and both 25B-NBOMe and 25B-NBOH, but the overlap feels like it's different for those two NBXX's, like one overlapped in a separate "area" of characteristics from the other. 25B-NBOH is a sparkly, glowing, warm empathogen that is inarticulably prosexual and so stimulating my heart rate could get scary with too high of a dose. 25B-NBOMe is a super serious psychedelic with visuals that look like reality is handwritten calligraphy telling you some sort of story. DOB can do that too, seeing scenes of your ancestors in a popcorn ceiling, whereas 25B-NBOH and 2C-B would never do that. 25B-NBOH has the empathogenic qualities of 2C-B but turned up a hundred times, but neither of those two can be as meaningful imo as the others.
Sorry for the rant on this, I just find the phenethylamine SAR exceptionally fascinating as I explore it, I'm intending on trying to knock out every 2C, DO, NBOH, NBOMe, BO (beta-MeO-2C), 4C, and possibly other beta subs but they don't seem very active. Trying to do this for every substitution pattern I can because I want to be able to meaningfully compare and contrast these things. I'm not even sure why, it's just a fascinating tool to modulate cognition, LSD is cool, tryptamines are neat, phenethylamines are the best by far imo. I wonder which ones the world could use more of in the next few years.
Ohh, I hope you (and her) do get lucky tonight.
Your comments and @xdrc's make clear that there are a lot of aspects to eroticism to consider. Hence we may each value these things differently even ignoring the individual variations in drug responses. Possible factors involved include physical comfort and lack of unpleasant side effects like nausea or cramping, lack of mental distraction, emotional comfort of the individuals as well as between partners, sexual drive or lack thereof, ability/tendency to become aroused (not quite the same as drive), "performance" issues like ability to get erect or reach orgasm (not the same as drive or arousal), degree and quality of tactile enhancement (sexual or otherwise), effects on perceived depth of intimacy / emotional / spiritual connection, intensity and quality of orgasm(s), synergism with other effects like visuals, degree and quality of stimulation providing energy and stamina, enhancement of creativity, and the list goes on. So much also depends on the compatibility of the substance with the particular couple.
To be fair to 2C-B, it is not only (typically) easier on the mind and body but also can work very well to restore trust and facilitate bonding between couples. For those in a troubled relationship, shared doses of 2C-B may go a long way to making sex possible. In contrast, many couples enjoy sex as a matter of habit, including I presume @Esperighanto and his partner, and we're likely to focus a lot more on the enhancement of the act itself. It is in this regard that I find 2C-B a bit lacking compared to most other psychedelics. It's still wonderful, but I think the enhancement is more on the sensual side---great for massages and cuddling like MDMA, but lacking in energy, depth. and intensity by comparison.
Tempting as it is to make these analogies, they don't hold together well in practice. I mean DOET is only vaguely active for most people, but 2C-E is probably the most powerful 2C-X psychedelic. Also while some may disagree, I think most people prefer 2C-I and/or 2C-B over 2C-C whereas most people prefer DOC and/or DOB over DOI. Even given my single trial at 0.25 mg, I can say that DOC is a totally different beast compared to 2C-C.
Didgital
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Bro glad you are doing great, but plzzz don't eat groundscores w/o testing things. Its 2026
Didgital
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That really is what fascinates and scares me a little bit. The simplest modification can change A LOT. I love to speculate about SAR like a lot of us do, but I rarely talk about it like i actually KNOW 100% what a modification might do. That's why I love shulgin so much is he actually did these things and tried them. I hope I can contribute to the overall knowledge about things yet discovered.
I also take back what I said in a different thread about combining 2C-D and 2C-B. It's actually a blast. Although instead of stacking them like I did the 1st trial which I thought to be too exhilarating/speedy, tn (or rather today) I started with 12mg of 2C-D in the morning followed by 9mg right before my date (Lol?) The date went good, but not as good as it could have, as she went out with friends down the block. But not before I dosed us both with 15mg of 2C-B. I'm sure she's having a colorful night. I certainly am. I hope and expect she's enjoying herself
I also took tiny dose of 5-meo-dmt right as I'm typing which I normally do not combine DMT's (of any kind) with phenethylamines. yeee
I personally love you dude, but the consensus is you are a very experimental and far out person. Please be safe in all your endeavors.
I'm pretty far out myself lol. Super glad you're on the team.
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Actually haha might as well finish the story.. About 3 hours later, after I had beat myself up a bit for the wrong things I'd said or how I'd said them.. and then forgiven myself, She hits me up at 2:30 am and says she wants to see me (yay!!) So I lyft over to her friends spot where she goes on to explain all the wild things that happened to her. She had a great time she tells me and I can tell she's kind of at a loss for words. She had never taken anything aside from mushrooms and was initially super wary of anything non natural. But earlier, despite the date, she trusted me enough to try the B, tho I'm not 100% she knew what it was at the time.
I am super glad that she reacted the way she did because I had pretty much dosed her and didn't get to guide her at all. kind of irresponsible of me but its 2cb. I know that I have a) converted yet another soul to the beauty of 2C-B and b) that I made up for any fuck ups during the date itself and not all is lost. We go back to her place and listen to her favorite music for a good hour, I can tell she is very happy. We're both a bit tired, and I actually want her to process what happened so I tell her I'm going to catch a ride back to my spot. She insists on driving me home and this is where I wonder if things could have been different but she drives me back to downtown, we kiss say and say goodby (I impress her here cuz i say it in swahili, one of her native languages) and I get out and go inside my apartment. Could I have brought her in? Maybe. But I didn't.
She calls me the moment she gets home and says we need to do it again.
@iom I really can't complain it was literally the 1st date. Anyway 2C-B is magic as are a lot of psychedelics.
I am super glad that she reacted the way she did because I had pretty much dosed her and didn't get to guide her at all. kind of irresponsible of me but its 2cb. I know that I have a) converted yet another soul to the beauty of 2C-B and b) that I made up for any fuck ups during the date itself and not all is lost. We go back to her place and listen to her favorite music for a good hour, I can tell she is very happy. We're both a bit tired, and I actually want her to process what happened so I tell her I'm going to catch a ride back to my spot. She insists on driving me home and this is where I wonder if things could have been different but she drives me back to downtown, we kiss say and say goodby (I impress her here cuz i say it in swahili, one of her native languages) and I get out and go inside my apartment. Could I have brought her in? Maybe. But I didn't.
She calls me the moment she gets home and says we need to do it again.
@iom I really can't complain it was literally the 1st date. Anyway 2C-B is magic as are a lot of psychedelics.
It sounds like you had an excellent first date! I cannot help but imagine being in her glowing presence as she related her experiences of her first 2C-B trip.
I had my own magical day with my partner and 2C-T-2. I took 18 mg and she took 14 mg. This was definitely our best shared trip on this substance so far. I'm so very glad because I know I can look forward to more 2C-T-2 trips with her in the future. I much prefer 2C-T-2 over 2C-B for occasions like today that are less casual and more intimate. Though of course 2C-B can't be beat for sharing with inexperienced people.
At 18 mg this felt like a pretty big step up from 14 for me, but I didn't get the kind of full-on visuals that she got. I think I will need 22 mg to get there, and may even want to go higher eventually. I will also probably have to endure a lot more body load for it, but I think it will be worth it.
I'm very hopeful I keep my health into the autumn because I have many exciting trips penciled in. I want to try taking 6 mg of 2C-P sometime around Halloween. I feel like 2C-P will fit in very very well with the Samhain vibe, and my neighborhood is always well decorated. Last but not least, recently and rather unexpectedly I was gifted with some pure mescaline. I'm hoping to maybe try a mini dose on an outing, perhaps some time in early October.
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I think you are giving me motivation to assay the 2C-T-2 at a higher dose, perhaps on the weekend. Maybe not higher dose level, I have gone up to 10 mg rectally, and while the experience was marked by stomach cramps (which may have been psychosomatically), there was nothing threatening about it. So perhaps 20 mg 2C-T-2 would be adequate to tickle out a little more of the material. While tripping is fun, setting aside time for it has been increasingly harder for me. And there are a couple of materials sitting around here I barely assayed either, which feels like a waste. To my horror I had to see that my cyclopropylmescaline turned a little bit yellow, and I haven't even tried that yet 
Seems like the xdrc stash also leaves too many options open making decisions even for veterans (am I there yet?) hard!
Seems like the xdrc stash also leaves too many options open making decisions even for veterans (am I there yet?) hard!
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Sometimes it is just the day though. I remember a time where I dosed 35 mg 2C-D and the experience was a bit lacklustre, so I added 2C-B in an attempt to tint it, but that only managed to extend the blandness. I think with the many variables psychedelics have, we should not judge a substance or a combination too hard from just one experience. Then again, life is too short and time for trips too precious (at least for me, @Esperighanto may see that different
) to dwell too much on substances or combinations I do not deem promising. It is sad though sometimes when a substance does not seem to live up to an initial promising trial.