best 7oh recovery program or method?

[chippermonk]

@Bohochick @puke
. It's worth learning how PAWS works. It explains a certain set of common symptoms, a certain phase of drug withdrawal. Myself, I can't explain it but there have been a lot of posts about it over the years if you do a search of BL

 

[lost weekend]

28mg of the 7oh brand 7oh, sometimes I take a little more or less. but 2 tabs 14mg half a tab every 3 hrs or so each daily.

I've been a heavy kratom user for 18 years until recently but how does the effects compare with 7oh ,is it more like a strong opoid with none of the stimulating affects low doses of kratom can give

 

[puke]

I've been a heavy kratom user for 18 years until recently but how does the effects compare with 7oh ,is it more like a strong opoid with none of the stimulating affects low doses of kratom can give

I've never made tea or used the leaves if that's what ur talking about but 7oh to me when I taking a little much feels like a strong valium that's me. I get energized but relaxed it also acts like an appetite suppressant as in I don't eat as much as usual and also not as anxious and jittery for no reason.

 

[lost weekend]

I've never made tea or used the leaves if that's what ur talking about but 7oh to me when I taking a little much feels like a strong valium that's me. I get energized but relaxed it also acts like an appetite suppressant as in I don't eat as much as usual and also not as anxious and jittery for no reason.

It's never been available where I stay as far as I know ,I did look up a website and the cost was enormous
I very rarely made tea just tossed and washed but suffered fairly severe withdrawal symptoms when I stopped recently, I also quit benzos cold turkey so was a double whammy

 

[lost weekend]

Yeh kratom is always better on an empty stomach, always felt it a waste of a dose if I'd eaten less than 2 or 3 hours ago

 

[chippermonk]

One of the websites I buy from just ridiculously jacked up their prices, I thought they'd go the other way to unload their stock but I guess u see where their heart really is. Not so much about pain management but profit, not really surprised becuase a lot of vendors buy from there.

https://7oh.com/

I'm sure they figured that since it's going be unavailable after the 5th that anyone buying right now is desperate and will pay almost any price.

 

[lost weekend]

I'm sure they figured that since it's going be unavailable after the 5th that anyone buying right now is desperate and will pay almost any price.

I'm glad I never got the chance to try it with my past history

 

[PtahTek]

traditional opiate agonists work is 5 x the half life plus around three days for our systems reset and we start to feel better....

agreed.
though I have been reading protracted acute withdrawals from the isolate lasting over three weeks. not sure if anyone has gotten off of this stuff as i do not see any postings declaring victory other than what @Jung and Stoopid posted.
i wanted to try it for the experience for almost a year... i am terrified of this 7-oh and t its kind. something that appears to be harder to quit than benzos?

and any taper plan is not going to be comfortable.
it is doable. when one reaches that point take a chip off the pills to start. if that isnt so bad this will provide positive reinforcement and pleasure. let it cycle and take as long as you need before chipping off a bigger piece. at some point there will be a pile of pieces and dust that will be tossed....

god I wonder how many are in this. not judgemental at all just feel anxiety from worrying. just not cool to do this to people. gas stations are now trap houses.

i also wonder whats coming down the pike next.

 

[neversickanymore]

agreed.
though I have been reading protracted acute withdrawals from the isolate lasting over three weeks. not sure if anyone has gotten off of this stuff as i do not see any postings declaring victory other than what @Jung and Stoopid posted.
i wanted to try it for the experience for almost a year... i am terrified of this 7-oh and t its kind. something that appears to be harder to quit than benzos?

and any taper plan is not going to be comfortable.
it is doable. when one reaches that point take a chip off the pills to start. if that isnt so bad this will provide positive reinforcement and pleasure. let it cycle and take as long as you need before chipping off a bigger piece. at some point there will be a pile of pieces and dust that will be tossed....

god I wonder how many are in this. not judgemental at all just feel anxiety from worrying. just not cool to do this to people. gas stations are now trap houses.

i also wonder whats coming down the pike next.

huhh that’s bold.. i personally went through benzo withdrawals that lasted a year and quarter.. that’s acute wd for over a year.. real scary shit

 

[PtahTek]

huhh that’s bold.. i personally went through benzo withdrawals that lasted a year and quarter.. that’s acute wd for over a year.. real scary shit

was it a jump off or taper? curious as i have been through bnz wds as well as a few others and yeah its fucked but there are a few things that help somewhat. like trazadone (sp) for sleep, gabap and/or pregab for "nerves", kratom to help with drive for lack of a better term. there are other "comfort meds" that helped me a few years back but cant recall atm. still no joy in it for me.

this 7-oh just seems like trouble to me. yeah ive been a broke mf for a long time from abuse. but the shit they providing these days will either get ya super hooked, dead and unregulated. dont know wth is actually in these products.

tbh im kinda broke now. spent on self psychedelic therapy and i feel it was way worth the cost. im done for now. time to save and get a house, car or just have a larger pillow or - let it be - all of it.

ed:
i wouldnt have rewired my brain if all the clinics didnt turm me down just because of my area code. even maps. lol

ed duex:
and was deperate as a mf

 

[puke]

I wouldn't start 7oh, the wds I've been getting are very uncomfortable.

 

[neversickanymore]

was it a jump off or taper? curious as i have been through bnz wds as well as a few others and yeah its fucked but there are a few things that help somewhat. like trazadone (sp) for sleep, gabap and/or pregab for "nerves", kratom to help with drive for lack of a better term. there are other "comfort meds" that helped me a few years back but cant recall atm. still no joy in it for me.

this 7-oh just seems like trouble to me. yeah ive been a broke mf for a long time from abuse. but the shit they providing these days will either get ya super hooked, dead and unregulated. dont know wth is actually in these products.

tbh im kinda broke now. spent on self psychedelic therapy and i feel it was way worth the cost. im done for now. time to save and get a house, car or just have a larger pillow or - let it be - all of it.

ed:
i wouldnt have rewired my brain if all the clinics didnt turm me down just because of my area code. even maps. lol

ed duex:
and was deperate as a mf

so pretty much a full jump off 80mgpd methadone and 260 mg roxie and week later 4 mg xan after a 20 year dependency . you can only get so sick.. that’s a fact

taper doesnt work imho

that’s where the handle comes from.. neversickanymore.. i earned that the stupid hard way..

 

[PtahTek]

i earned that the stupid hard way..

never have i ever had it easy. fact. i get it.

experiences vary greatly yet in whole the caos still makes no sense.

but with this 7-oh: all my opinions come from my local borough. the shop keeps, the economy and talking with locals.
that and what i read at bl.
none of its pretty.
the war on drugs; what a debacle. big money flows, though. guess thats all that matters beside the dealth tolls.

create a vacuum and....
black hole

@pytler
any headway with this?
if not, well.
if you do find a way out please update? anything would be helpful. thanks.
hope its okay.

 

[puke]

so pretty much a full jump off 80mgpd methadone and 260 mg roxie and week later 4 mg xan after a 20 year dependency . you can only get so sick.. that’s a fact

taper doesnt work imho

that’s where the handle comes from.. neversickanymore.. i earned that the stupid hard way..

Dang, u just stopped taking at mg methadone must've been painful. I weened myself down from a 100 to about either 10 or 15 and stopped and din't get sick.

 

[PtahTek]

regarding the worth of tapering or titration (both going on and coming off substances):
i have been tapering off this bnz for about a year and a half, now. from ~8mg day to just below .5mg day. its been slow and there have been a little overuse here and there but it keeps coming down. not fun but energy is returning, mood elevates and cognitive quickness improves. all fuel to stoke the fire of pushing on.
works for me with kratom.
works for pregab - for me
idk....

still i wanna try it
gotta b good

 

[neversickanymore]

Strings is fire.. but Molly Tuttle can even set that geniuses straight.. with a smile she can even out play Strings

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talking heads are so mf good!!!

so being an “addict” i never experienced much of a benifit from 80 mgpd methadone compaired to ten mg doses every eight hours
.. so my methadone doses were based off me.. i got thru the pharmacy.. yeah i indulged and used my supply fast like most addicts. From recollection ten seemed kinda as good as 80.

so the thing i take away from this is i’m well past a decade from using opiates or benzodiazepines.. i made it.. if i can i assume anybody can.. sure as shit i’m not special.. so how do we get everyone who wants to get here.. here?

 

[chippermonk]

still i wanna try it
gotta b good

Nah. Not unless you KNOW you can stop at once use. But really, I don't see how it is significantly any different feeling than any other opioid agonist. It's nothing magic. It's just people hoping that it will be different this time so as give themselves an excuse to go down that opioid road again

 

[puke]

so being an “addict” i never experienced much of a benifit from 80 mgpd methadone compaired to ten mg doses every eight hours
.. so my methadone doses were based off me.. i got thru the pharmacy.. yeah i indulged and used my supply fast like most addicts. From recollection ten seemed kinda as good as 80.

so the thing i take away from this is i’m well past a decade from using opiates or benzodiazepines.. i made it.. if i can i assume anybody can.. sure as shit i’m not special.. so how do we get everyone who wants to get here.. here?

That's it, all it did was get u hooked and all u had to do was don't forget ur dose and pay. F that, I wasted like 4 years and so much money, I should've just balls up and dealt with h wds. I tell people getting off h just really try to get off before methadone, it's a freaking waste. Unless ur going there to get high which alot were it's usless after awhile.

 

[neversickanymore]

That's it, all it did was get u hooked and all u had to do was don't forget ur dose and pay. F that, I wasted like 4 years and so much money, I should've just balls up and dealt with h wds. I tell people getting off h just really try to get off before methadone, it's a freaking waste. Unless ur going there to get high which alot were it's usless after awhile.

Yep.. you know how much 80mgpd of methadone cost 15 years ago.. 11 dollars for the month.. that’s the pharmacy not the methadone drug dealers

 

[puke]

Yep.. you know how much 80mgpd of methadone cost 15 years ago.. 11 dollars for the month.. that’s the pharmacy not the methadone drug dealers

Holy shit, I paid 45 bucks every month at my methadone clinic.