Trigger Warning MDMA was by far the worst drug experience of my life

[Yunai]

Hi, I write this to vent and maybe help with the trauma this substance caused me. I am still a bit traumatized by the experience to be honest. First of all though, I do not want to say “please do not do this substance under any circumstance” but definitely be careful if you choose to do so.

Let me tell you my story, I was hopping on a very long flight to visit a long term friend who lives in Germany now and I’ve spend a week at his place. One night we went out into a club. I rarely drink alcohol but in the rare cases of me going out (and without having my DOC with me, which I obviously didn’t want to risk smuggle to a whole different country). My DOC is Morphine, since I am in substitution for over 2 years now I can’t feel it anyway anymore (see my other recent posts) but I usually take Xanax for going out, helps perfect with social anxiety plus Weed to enjoy the music and dancing. On that night though we had neither, so I just drank alcohol. After just one cup I could already feel something’s off. I am skinny asf but I do know how much to drink before it gets too bad and that was by far too little. I felt nauseous and off and it got only worse and worse. Without further drinking, an hour later I rushed to the bathroom and threw my guts out. That’s when I definitely knew something’s terribly wrong and I was possibly spiked. I told my good friend, he was a bit drunk but he was like “nah it’s okay bro, just stay” but I was like “No, I am dead serious, I am very sick please go out with me” but he refused and wanted to pursue me to stay inside!(!). Fortunately, we were a group of 4 and one other friend (let’s call him M) of his who I didn’t know before realized and he grabbed me and went outside with me (which I was extremely appreciative off, M genuinely was a good hearted guy who cares about the well-being of others). We stood outside the club and talked for 2 or maybe even 3 hours. The fresh air and music quieter helped, I continuously said “I am so sorry to ruin the evening for you, if you want you can go back in” but he said “no I am staying with you, your well-being is more important to me and you don’t ruin anything for me I enjoy the conversation with you anyway” (really amazing person for real).
Anyway, after a couple hours with our other 2 friends still inside we considered “should we go in again or not”. We decided to just go in quickly, see how I do, if it gets worse again we’ll say goodbye to them and M will walk me home but here is where it gets worse from 0 to 100. Within 5-10 seconds on the dance floor and the flashing lights (which was crazy even for Club standards) I lost conscious and had a seizure for 5 minutes straight. To me it was extremely weird. I went to the dance floor, felt my muscles jittering/clutching for a moment, boom, all of a sudden I am on a stretcher in the back of an Ambulance. I was so confused, panicking, the good friend then came in told me what happened (I lost conscious, had a seizure, people thankfully stopped my fall, called 911, put me in the recovery position, thankfully I didn’t stop breathing, there is a good people in the world after all)… and M then accompanied me on the ride to the hospital. Thankfully due to whatever they gave me in the IV I felt better quickly, they drew my blood and a couple of things, kept me in the hospital over night and gave me the diagnosis that I was “poisoned by MDMA", some hospital can’t distinguish between MDMA and Methampethamines but due to the information, story and area etc they could definitely say I was spiked with MDMA.

I was dismissed the next morning, it took me a full 7 days for me to somehow be back to normal, my brain was like in a big fog, my memory was almost as bad as Alzheimer’s, I could not even think. It was so bad, simple tasks like forgetting to flush, or throw away my floss after brushing my teeth, the friend (who didn’t help me, and whom I was staying with) plus his gf at the time both were extremely angry at me for this. I tried to explain, they had absolutely NO understanding. Even though I was just coming home from the hospital after being poisoned. They accused me of maliciously trying to leave a mess to piss them off, which hurt my feelings and started a big argument too because I obviously never did, my brain was mush, complete mush.. only after maybe 7 days later when I was back home I slowly started to function again. But even months later when falling asleep I felt the jittering sometimes and got panic attacks, afraid of having a seizure again (which never happened again though thankfully). This soured our long term relationship big time, many many months later he gave me a half-ahh vague apology for his ignorance at the time and considering I know him since birth I forgave him then but as of now I completely cut ties with this friend because of a different situation that was even worse (nothing drug related but he accused me of something horrible I never ever did nor would ever do and he had absolutely no evidence against me but he just looked for any scapegoat and since he low key already hated me he just chose me out of the blue - that showed me his true colors and I cut ties completely. In hindsight, the way he always looked down on me, spoke bad about me, I should’ve done it a long time ago. Good friends build each other up and don’t make each other feel like trash!)

I never ever in my life had a seizure or anything similar, so this was definitely a very big shock to me. To this day sometimes it still haunts me. At that point when it happened I was already past my “testing out new substances” phase but this just made my decision even stronger. I will never ever take anything else again apart from my DOCs that my body tolerates very well.

 

[Jung and Stoopid]

OK, so just trying to analyze this situation, I have a few questions

1. When the hospital diagnosed you with MDMA poisoning, did they take your blood and urine? How exactly did they diagnose you with that? I assume because you tested positive to MDMA.

2. Do you take any medication?

3. Did you experience euphoria at any point? MDMA can easily make someone have a bad time, anxiety, but typically you will experience euphoria unless....

4. Assuming you were actually slipped and dosed with MDMA by one of your "friends", your experience reads like you experienced serotonin syndrome, which would likely occur if the answer to #2 is yes.

Even if not, the combination of opioids and MDMA can also easily cause serotonin syndrome.

Thats just my armchair diagnosis. The other main possibility is you were dosed with something other than MDMA.

 

[Yunai]

Sure I am happy to answer your questions but I will not want to take that substance ever again, nothing will change my stance on that. I’m not saying no one should. Just me personally.

1. Both. They did a a full drug screening. Honestly I can’t say 100% sure how they did it as my brain didn’t work well as I mentioned but I do specifically remember they drew my blood and collected my urine I think. MDMA was the one positive in high amounts and not just traces of it like traces of Alcohol and the traces of Morphine from my substitution.

2. Yes, at that time I took Morphine HCL extended release as my substitution treatment for opiate addiction but I take that once after waking up. I smoked Weed the day prior. Oh and Mirtazapine right before bedtime (as it’s the only antidepressant that I tolerate and doesn’t cause me serious side effects like all SSRI and SNRI do to me) note here though it’s only the lowest amount I think 7.5mg (i don’t think that even showed up in the test). I of course told the doctors about all of this.

3. Nope. That was the fcked up part. No Euphoria whatsoever. Huge dysphoria. That along with nausea was the first thing I noticed. It was severely dysphoric. Even from sober / depressed baseline it got even worse. Definitely dysphoric from the get go. There was not even a minute I felt good.

4. I don’t know who slipped it in my drink. My best friend (who didn’t help me), the way he acted, I thought about it but no, he would not be THAT evil and not tell me, honestly, since I never experienced being spiked I didn’t pay attention to my cup as I should’ve. It could’ve been anyone and I think it was someone from outside my group.

It was definitely MDMA. The tests were quite extensive and I had to wait for a long time in the hospital for the results. Your serotonin syndrome diagnosis is reasonable, if that can cause seizures? Remember though, the opiate is a maintenance one for years that my tolerance already is to a point were it’s my baseline. Mirtazapine was 24hours earlier and a low dose. Alcohol was just one drink. Maybe the MDMA they put in was just way too overdose, which is what I suspect.

 

[Jung and Stoopid]

Sure I am happy to answer your questions but I will not want to take that substance ever again, nothing will change my stance on that. I’m not saying no one should. Just me personally.

1. Both. They did a a full drug screening. Honestly I can’t say 100% sure how they did it as my brain didn’t work well as I mentioned but I do specifically remember they drew my blood and collected my urine I think. MDMA was the one positive in high amounts and not just traces of it like traces of Alcohol and the traces of Morphine from my substitution.

2. Yes, at that time I took Morphine HCL extended release as my substitution treatment for opiate addiction but I take that once after waking up. I smoked Weed the day prior. Oh and Mirtazapine right before bedtime (as it’s the only antidepressant that I tolerate and doesn’t cause me serious side effects like all SSRI and SNRI do to me) note here though it’s only the lowest amount I think 7.5mg (i don’t think that even showed up in the test). I of course told the doctors about all of this.

3. Nope. That was the fcked up part. No Euphoria whatsoever. Huge dysphoria. That along with nausea was the first thing I noticed. It was severely dysphoric. Even from sober / depressed baseline it got even worse. Definitely dysphoric from the get go. There was not even a minute I felt good.

4. I don’t know who slipped it in my drink. My best friend (who didn’t help me), the way he acted, I thought about it but no, he would not be THAT evil and not tell me, honestly, since I never experienced being spiked I didn’t pay attention to my cup as I should’ve. It could’ve been anyone and I think it was someone from outside my group.

It was definitely MDMA. The tests were quite extensive and I had to wait for a long time in the hospital for the results. Your serotonin syndrome diagnosis is reasonable, if that can cause seizures? Remember though, the opiate is a maintenance one for years that my tolerance already is to a point were it’s my baseline. Mirtazapine was 24hours earlier and a low dose. Alcohol was just one drink. Maybe the MDMA they put in was just way too overdose, which is what I suspect.

Did you experience goosebumps, shaking/jerks/twitching, sweating/overheating?

It sounds like you went straight into serotonin syndrome after being dosed. I'm sure whoever put it in your drink intended for you to have a good time, but its also pretty messed up for someone to do that to another-- precisely because of the reaction you had. I'm sure, or hope the person who gave it to you felt bad, because serotonin syndrome can easily be lethal.

A combination of morphine and a serotonergic antagonist, even a weaker one like mirtazapine, could certainly lead to serotonin syndrome.

Its very unfortunate you had that experience, because MDMA is typically an awesome experience for people... but I have experienced serotonin syndrome myself, and its crazy how quickly you can go from feeling amazing to feeling like shit and panicking.

All opioids, particularly powerful ones or tramadol are well known to contribute to serotonin syndrome.

Antagonists such as various APs have been paradoxically reported to both contribute to or counteract serotonin syndrome.

 

[Yunai]

Did you experience goosebumps, shaking/jerks/twitching, sweating/overheating?

It sounds like you went straight into serotonin syndrome after being dosed. I'm sure whoever put it in your drink intended for you to have a good time, but its also pretty messed up for someone to do that to another-- precisely because of the reaction you had. I'm sure, or hope the person who gave it to you felt bad, because serotonin syndrome can easily be lethal.

A combination of morphine and a serotonergic antagonist, even a weaker one like mirtazapine, could certainly lead to serotonin syndrome.

Its very unfortunate you had that experience, because MDMA is typically an awesome experience for people... but I have experienced serotonin syndrome myself, and its crazy how quickly you can go from feeling amazing to feeling like shit and panicking.

All opioids, particularly powerful ones or tramadol are well known to contribute to serotonin syndrome.

Antagonists such as various APs have been paradoxically reported to both contribute to or counteract serotonin syndrome.

Since it‘s almost a year ago I have to think about it but yes: jerks/twitching/shaking absolutely. That was VERY strong and I noticed it very early on. I was probably also sweating and overheating, could be due to being in a full club too. Goosebumps I can‘t specifically remember.

I agree with you fully on that one. Exactly, the vibes in the club was overall good so I assume it was supposed to be in good intent but I do hope they saw me having a seizure couple hours later.
God, I am thankful I am still alive, I am very thankful everyone reacted like they should and I think they even said a nurse was present in the club when it happened and looked out for me. If I had died that would‘ve been the most awful last hours on Earth. Kinda reminds me of that bodycam footage of that dealer who ate all his cocaine and died in absolute agony.

About Tramadol… I know the seizure threshold is lowered on it, I didn‘t take that (or o-desmethyltramadol) in 1 and a half years at that point in time.

if you don‘t mind are you willing to share your experience with serotonin syndrome?

 

[Yunai]

So you Honestly Have NO WAY to tell if you actually were given MDMA. . .

Many RC's, Research Chemicals, will show positive tests for MDMA and Meth. I bet you were given some Ketamine, GHB or an analog chemical from China.

That or You Are The Only One Who Didn't like MDMA.

I don't write this to be rude but you don't know what you Honestly ingested. . .
So why blame X?

Are you serious? This is a very disrespectful comment. Stop being so mean-spirited wow.

I have taken Ketamine about 10-20 times in my life, it was absolutely not Ketamine.
GHB. I have taken only once and I am also pretty pretty sure it was not that either. I am also sure that Meth would’ve felt different even though I never took Meth so I can’t say for sure but the timeline doesn’t add up with Meth.

Yes, it might have been laced, it might not have been pure, there could have been other stuff like RCs involved in it but I definitely trust the hospital findings. Especially do I trust them over a very mean guy on the internet who is dead set on defending his favorite drug of choice despite the fact I SPECIFICALLY (!) stated I am NOT saying “no one should take that” or that the drug itself is bad and terrible. I specifically stated that in my very first post because the last thing I want to is judge anyone (who potentially even benefits from the substance) or piss anyone off.

The hospital findings were pretty clear and consistent, especially with the symptoms and story too, everything around it too (the area were we went to is notorious for Ecstasy use and raves etc) plus with the other medication as we already established above I most likely had serotonin syndrome. Of course that’s not the point of taking MDMA but I am never going to willingly want to try it again.

if you and all your people enjoy it, benefit from it, whatever, great for you, I am not saying nothing against that, do it as many times as you want, and if it makes you feel any better I very gladly take the title of “The Only Guy Who Doesn’t like MDMA".

Yes, I had a very traumatic experience with MDMA, most likely serotonin syndrome. This substance was what caused it, of course I don’t blame the substance itself, I blame myself for not looking out for my cup enough AND the person who spiked me without telling me shit.

 

[Yunai]

Jung and Stoopid. . . It takes A LOT to actually go into SOS. I've ate 2 to 3 grams of MDMA at one time and one weekend 3 of shared 70 doses of 5MAPB. Unless one is already taking SSRI's, not Xanax, or something like 5-HTP then SOS is almost impossible from 100-350mgs of MDMA.

You'll be brain fried and will need a recovery kit but SOS. . . Absolutely No Way.
*I worked for Dance Safe and was on the team that made Katy. I've Never seen a true SOS issue. The firstv sign, other than dehydration, is hypothermia. If she didn't get to a point of shivering from freezing then SOS was not an issue.

With the seizures I'm guessing whe was given a 2-C drug. 2CI, 2CB, etc. Ketamine is a possibility but wo a K hole that was probably not it. Sadly these kids are bringing GHB back by making at home in their closets. That's my guess. GHB with even just a sip of booze will turn anyone's night upside down.

Okay this comment is at least not that disrespectful, thanks for that.
Young and stupid? Yes, I made a lot of bad decisions in my life. It’s all a matter of perspective but with 25 I feel beyond und status already.
Anyway, I do believe you took a lot and was fine but it probably wasn’t your first time ever having MDMA in your system like it was for me. Also you don’t take the same medication that I take (or took at the time) that could interact with it. Yes, I wasn’t on an SSRI but the other medication I mentioned above and they can lower the threshold too, even if it’s not as strong. On a side note here, I had absolutely no Xanax at that time, I wish I would, then I wouldn’t have drank alcohol, I also think it probably would’ve helped me after I was spiked especially because the whole thing caused me to have a severe panic attack along with the twitching/shaking.

We do not know the dose I was slipped in my drink. Quite frankly I have no idea about MDMA dosage but it’s possible it was a dose with a high amount (hence the high traces of it in my blood specifically), maybe due to the other meds and the little bit of alcohol, my low body weight and my body generally not tolerating Uppers well at all, it’s possible.

I do give you one big benefit of the doubt though, the hospital never gave me the diagnosis of serotonin syndrome, so it’s just speculation, that part you are right about, maybe it wasn’t serotonin syndrome but it was absolutely something serious. Losing consciousness and even worse having a seizure for 5 minutes straight (when I never had one in my life apart from that) is a very serious medical emergency. So even if it was not serotonin syndrome it was a serious poisoning.
Your experience with it gives it more merit but are you really that confident diagnosing me from that post alone? I know serotonin syndrome is rare and serious and maybe it was not but it definitely was an overdose that caused havoc, not only for the evening but the rest of the next 7 days too.

For your last part. Ketamine I can 100% rule out since I have a decent amount of experience with it and know exactly how it feels, how I react to it at different doses etc.
GHB I also personally rule out, I can’t 100% it but I had one singular experiment with it 2-3 years ago and it definitely felt a lot different to what I felt that night. I also think with GHB overdosing and having a seizure and losing consciousness respiratory depression/arrest would also be very very likely. I never stopped breathing normally though (the nurse or whoever she was who thankfully was there and my friends who had put me in recovery position continuously checked my breathing and my breathing was normal all the way through). I also do believe the assumption the other person in this thread made, the one who slipped it into my drink wanted me to have a good time, not to date-r*pe me, which GHB is known for. I was in a close group of 4 people, all males, two of which being 6’3 and pretty strong and me 6’4 but skinny.

The last one is the most interesting alternative explanation to me. 2C/2CB. Some aspects of it could make sense but does the timeline really add up to it? Honestly that one kind of rules it out, I never tried it but a quick search told me the elimination half life of it is +-2hours. however since I swallowed it another source said for oral ingestion it last about 4-6 hours. That could potentially work but remember, an hour after ingestion I threw my guts out felt extremely bad, stepped outside and stayed outside for almost 3 hours, then went back in and had a seizure. Shouldn’t at that point most of it be metabolized. I mean, I should’ve had the seizure at the peak after an hour but I was still inside the club and throwing up in the bathroom, then talking to my friend on the dance floor, definitely 5-10 minutes at the dance floor without passing out before stepping outside. It only happened hours later when I went back in and I did not take or ingest anything during that time (apart from a bottle of water… that was sealed of course).
So yea that’s the only potential other substance alternative that could make sense, I give you one more fact to it that could support it, a almost 3 years ago I experimented with most drugs I could get, before I became an opiate and Xanax only junkie I did take this other Upper RC and I am sorry I forgot the name of it, alpha (?) PHiP or something along those lines and there were a couple of similar ones, I snorted them maybe in total like 10 times (after which I consciously stopped wanting to do any Uppers because I noticed it took a huge toll on my body and mind quickly, the racing heart, the shaking, is just overshadowing the dopamine boost, I don’t lack dopamines and I don’t have ADHD so I react terribly to Uppers in general), most of which was at home, twice it was at a club, one time everything was okay but the other time I did a little too much and I also started shaking and throwing up A LOT in the bathroom. However, the difference was that it lasted about 2 hours before it wore off and when I did too much I got better quickly, after throwing up, stepping outside and drinking water I returned to normal within maybe 20 minutes. I could step back in and continue the night without ever having a seizure or lost consciousness. Of course, maybe if it was something like this (and 2CB is very similar in terms of Upper effects, apparently from what I’ve seen and read) and was dosed much much higher it could result in the seizure but again, 4-5 hours after ingestion? And the week long brain fog that was severe does that also add up that much? And yes I know they can’t test for many RC drugs, they did an extensive drug screening, MDMA was there in high concentration hence the diagnosis "MDMA poisoning" (on the hospital paper at dismissal they wrote “Ecstasy poisoning” but yea anyway) but wouldn’t they be able to at least distinguish it as an “unknown substance” instead of blending in directly with the MDMA result option?

Overall, I do agree that we have no idea what dose I got, if it was laced, maybe some other RCs possibly involved too but I am sure it was not Ketamine and to be honest I stay with the diagnosis of the health care professionals when it happened. I know I individually react very very bad to all Uppers that’s why for over 2 years now I never took one again (willingly at least hence I’m not counting this situation of course).

Again, and I want to repeat this because it’s important, I am NOT telling you, your friends, or nobody else not to do MDMA because it’s bad, evil, and will cause the same experience I had. Absolutely not, I know a lot of people who love to do Molly occasionally and say they benefit from it a lot. So if you are somebody like this my intentions is by no means deterring you. If you and me was doing drugs together and you’d want to do Molly I would absolutely not tell you my horror story in hopes of deterring you, I would not mind even at all, you do you, I am the last to judge, I think judging people generally is a very bad habit and it was why I was a bit defensive here, do not take it personally, I was not trying to be mean to you, respectfully.

 

[Yunai]

I was most definitely NOT trying to be rude. Also I worked for Dance Safe and spent many raves testing pills for people, calming them down and making sure they were hydrated snd not burning up.

So you tested positive for MDMA but not meth?
- Just so you know. . . That's impossible since MDMA is made with Amphetamine Salts.
The last test I did on some MDMA showed a thin but noticeable line for MDMA but the meth line was glowing.

I never said MDMA was my favorite drug. . .
I don't use anything like it more than once every other month. You'll fery your brain eating it weekly.

My fave is 5MAPB which is like MDMA but without the meth.

Passing out and seizures from MDMA. . .
At the 100 plus Raves I went to and the 50 plus parties I DJd for I have never sen seizures or someone pass out even on a gram, 10 doses, of MDMA.

I hate that this happened to you and honestly if you were with some pald just chilling at home I don't believe that even a double-stack, .2 grams, of X would have caused you any issues.

I got you. Sorry for accusing you of being mean spirited, I just read it the wrong way, anyway, some I explained in my second post.

I have bo idea how the blood work / drug screening works so I can’t tell you all too much about it. I think you are right about this though someone told me once MDMA and Meth is very similar chemically and often falls under the same category at drug screening.

I am glad to hear you are only doing it once a month. You are absolutely right, weekly (or possibly even more frequent) will absolutely mush the brain, I know for Molly the only reasonable way to do it is if you take at the very least a month break in between for the brain to recover. Sounds like you are a responsible user and I am glad to hear this.

I believe you, you for sure have a lot of experience, I also never have seen anyone have a seizure at a Party/rave/club etc. in my life I have been to quite a lot of parties too but I was never a DJ or worked at one so you for sure have even more experience.

Thanks for the condolences though and yea it sucked but I also definitely agree that with you, if I consciously researched and took a dose of MDMA but took it at home, this would never have happened. I am sure the flashing lights, packed crowd and loud music absolutely contributed to it. Especially the flashing lights, from all the clubs I have went to, that one had the most stroboscopic crazy flashing lights and it was coming from all directions. I am pretty sure that triggered the seizure.

 

[Yunai]

I also apologize if I came off as rude. I sure was Not trying to be.

I just am very unsure that you had MDMA. Especially if the docs didn't find meth too.
There were 1000's of RCs that came in as spice snd bath salts.
*My worst party experience was when a dude gave me a bump of 2Ci wnd said it was K and X. Or trail mix. I had s fun night and the stars looked close enough to grab. We were at an outdoor event with 40+ bands over a weekend. I thought this is fun but sure is not K or X. It was mainly visuals and not the warm hug feeling x or 5map provide. . .
Well by morning I started to feel sick and headed home. I laid in bed tossing and turning for 3 dsys. I swear I was on the verge of a heart attack. By God's grace s pal stopped by to see why I wasn't picking up my phone and had two Xan bars in his pocket. Thankfully both of those finally knocked me out.
*I later found out that I took 2ci or a bathsalt that was almost pure speed. I hate speedy stuff. . .
I like my downers. . . Indica Herb, Xans and whatever helps me chill. I haven't drank in decades and sure do miss the relaxation from a few drinks but I also fully know that I can't have even one more sip of beer or booze.

Have a good one and again. . . i apologize if I offended you in ANY way!

I accept your apology, my friend. I also apologize for accusing you again, it’s all good, don’t worry. Thanks for reaching out.

Hmm I get what you mean but I never personally saw the blood work papers myself, they took my samples then I waited for a while in the hospital bed then the Doctor came in and told me that they found a high amount of MDMA and the area I visited apparently is notorious for Ecstasy use (again I visited a friend in a far away country I had no idea I just trusted wherever he said we should go), they also said I had Morphine in my blood (which is my substitution Morphine HCL extended release which I told them of course) and a bit of Alcohol and traces of THC (I drank one cup so that makes sense and I smoked Weed like 2 days or so prior). I never saw the results with my own eyes, I only know it from what they told me and from what was printed on my hospital dismissal papers. I get what you’re saying though.

Also, thank you for sharing your story and I am sorry you had to suffer, I am glad your friend immediately checked on you, that for sure sounds like a good person if I wouldn’t answer my phone only my parents would worry after a while, yea Xanax definitely works wonders if you have a panic attack and I can relate to how you felt.
I am also glad you are off from alcohol, that’s very respectable especially for a decade! I also try to stay away from alcohol completely because 9 times out of 10 something bad happens to me when I drink (because it always hits me unpredictably because I never just take a sip and let it be, I drink and I always think “oh I feel nothing” so I drink more, then all of a sudden I lose complete control… it happens so often that as of now I am also completely abstinent from alcohol, and when I go out now I smoke Weed or take Xans)
We are pretty similar in that regards, I also love what makes me chill and removes my severe anxiety and grief/sadness. My drugs that I do still are the same as yours: Xanax (which is prescribed to me) and Weed. I am still in substitution for opiate addiction but I am tapering off because I want to finally get clean from opiates (I was at 900mg first now I am down to 150mg. I hope I am at 0mg in 6 to maybe 12 months max, fingers crossed)

 

[Yunai]

Also, the ER would have given you the pill that blocks all serotonin from the brain blood barrier. You never mentioned that and YES there is a prescription just for SOS.

That’s a good argument. While I did mention that in the ambulance when I woke up I had an IV and felt better very quickly (the shaking, nausea, etc all was gone when they hooked me up). However, I still agree with you because if they would’ve given me a serotonin blocker like you said they would’ve absolutely told me that at least at some point but even more importantly.. and that’s for sure: it would be on the dismissal paper. Serotonin syndrome would be the diagnosis and it would’ve been written down but it was never mentioned by the medics and it was not on the dismissal paper.

So yea I agree now that I think about it, it most definitely wasn’t serotonin syndrome, they would’ve diagnosed it.

 

[Yunai]

There you go! I wasn't trying to be a dick but honestly SOS takes days of toll on the body. My legs were weak and sore for 10+ days. Even with the herbal Serotonin reuptake herbs I was taking I was half brian-dead for weekish. I couldn't even follow Jeopardy with my G.pa and usually I get at least a few answers correct. Lol

Anyhow I can't see anyone disliking 5MAPB. It's a ton like MDMA but has way less brain fry and without the amphetamine salts, like MDMA has, you don't grind your teeth away and can actually get a few hours of sleep.

Check out Xumtrip for good, clean and Amazing 5Map or 4-MEO, Metocin, which is so similar to shrooms most people don't know the difference.
*The Coupon Code DEEPAK will save you some cash too.

I hope you try the 5MAP with a close pal/pals and have a real exstacy experience that you love.

Ganjaoadre - Pharmacognosist Who Helps Others

Thanks. I will check these out but to be fully honest with you I am past my drug experimenting phase. I found out what works best for me and stick with it and try to not get another addiction (or horror experience, not saying these would cause that, just in general) anymore. I had one friend whom I did shrooms with once and LSD a couple of times and these I did enjoy, although the shrooms were very weak, the LSD was a pleasant experience especially with my friend listening to music once and walking through the woods another time. I could see myself doing it again with him but he also stopped everything so for the sake of it right now and alone I am not doing anything new anymore. If he would be on board I would consider trying or doing LSD once more but only if he joins in and we both have a blast again.

 

[Yunai]

Sorry I just saw this post for some reason. I am way new to here. We are all good and yes we seem similar. I too get Xans and actually as of a year ago yesterday I quit Oxys and got on Suboxone. It's been a life-changer.
The Oxys were masking how sick I actually was. I kept getting better but my legs and titanium spine kept killing but only on certain days.
I had beat Lyme disease with herbs and antibiotics but felt something else was wrong.
Sure enough. . . I also have Alpha Gal and am allergic to %90 of all food and drink.
Getting this new diet in check and sticking to it has been a miracle. I am finally having days without Any pain! If i was still on the Oxys I never would have been able to realize how sick I really was.
Keep on Rocking and if you ever want to chat to avoid drinking or going out just let me know. I don't know if there are private messages on here but I can even get you my phone number. I am old and only want to help others through my crazy experiences. So please don't think I am trying to hit on you or anything.
*Plus I bet I am old enough to be your father. Lol
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GanjaPadre

Thanks and sorry you had to go through all this, sounds like a terrible experience but I am glad you are better now. Suboxone is really really good and I am so glad it’s helping you. I absolutely relate to how life-changing the right substitution is. For me they first gave me L-Methadone which was alright but it didn’t fully last 24 hours for me and I woke up with withdrawals which sucked, instead of upping the dose I switched to Morphine HCL extended release which is a possibility were I live and I wanted to have the natural substance that exists in nature (since Morphine and Codein is what’s in Papaver Somniferum) and honestly this is a blessing. The best medication I ever had. I tolerate it so well. Completely took away my cravings for opiates, lasts for 24 hours even a bit longer if I sleep in or something sometimes and I have absolutely no side effects! Not even constipation. I am fully alert on it too, I even ride a motorcycle, for almost 2 years now I commute a busy city on my motorcycle multiple times a week and never had an accident! Also it kind of works as an antidepressant for me, I don’t feel any rush, warmth or euphoria anymore after 2 years now but I still feel stable and functional when I take it.

And I am very thankful for that, I really am !! that’s very genuine of you. Thank you. We can for sure chat via private message. I just don’t want to share my phone number publicly. Do you maybe have discord? That app I regularly check on too, I am also quite often online here though so if you just want to stick to private message on here that’s fine for me too . Let me know

 

[Yunai]

BTW suboxone is equivalent to around 100mgs of morphine. Yet you can't get high off of it because of the ceiling effect. After 2 or 3 they quit working. So taking 5 or 6 is pointless.
The Best benefit from them is there are no withdrawals from opiates and if you take opiates on subs they don't even work.

My first Sub doc I found was just online. After just one 10 minute phone call and $99 I had the subs at my Pharmacy. I told my doc what I had done and he agreed to give me subs even though people are technically supposed to go to counseling while taking them.
He knows I have a degree in health and counseling and decided I'm good on my own with the subs.

They really can do magic if you're serious about quitting morph. Also ask your doctor or DA if you have MAT, medication assited therapy, programs through your community or state. I know a lot of people who go get their subs daily at a clinic and have never paid a penny.

Let me know if you ever want to chat or have more questions. Sorry if I came off as rude but I knew for a fact that MDMA wouldn't do that to you. Plus wo any amphetamines in your system it's impossible. I'd like to find the idiot who dropped whatever into your drink. Not to see what he gave you but to see what he looks like after my 6'4" ass beat him silly!

Don’t worry now that I know you more I do not see you as rude or mean,, don’t worry about that one bit, you are really genuine and thanks for the offer. We can chat for sure. I know what you mean with the ceiling effects but honestly even with a substitute opiate without ceiling after almost 3 years of daily opiates even if I take double my dose I feel nothing. If I take 3, 4 or even 5 times my dose I do get very sleepy but I don’t feel a rush, the warmth, or euphoria anymore, it’s sad but the tolerance just got too used big. Even if I remove the extended release by crushing and snorting (or extracting it in water with a spoon and a lighter and then boof the liquid… which is what I did at the very end of my opiate addiction before treatment. I never wanted to IV, never did and never will so boofing was the closest I got to it, it kicked in very very hard and good when I didn’t have the tolerance. Btw I am not gay, I am not judging anyone who is just wanted to make that clear haha).

Wow that’s really fortunate. In the beginning I had to go there daily but now it’s a month long prescription that I have to renew once a month and get it from the pharmacy, I always get a blister for one week but I live pretty much right next door to my pharmacy so it’s just a 2 minute walk).

Thanks for being on my side, yea I’d want that motherfucker to at least have a bad conscious for spiking me. Btw we are the same height :D

 

[Yunai]

Nice and I am proud of you for knowing your limits.
Sadly most of the LSD these days is actually AL-LaD.
It's so similar no one knows or even questions it when they take it thinking it's LSD-25.
I only know this because I had s sheet of Al-LaD and gave out most of it at a river party.
Many people came back to me the next day asking to buy some. I will always share goods and fun but I don't sell anything.
I tried to get more Al-LaD from the ssme guy and he switched to crypto payments only. So sadly I couldn't ever get more.

Keep on doing you and make each day amazing.

You're a RockStar!

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Thanks you too

 

[fuckabout89]

Since it‘s almost a year ago I have to think about it but yes: jerks/twitching/shaking absolutely. That was VERY strong and I noticed it very early on. I was probably also sweating and overheating, could be due to being in a full club too. Goosebumps I can‘t specifically remember.

I agree with you fully on that one. Exactly, the vibes in the club was overall good so I assume it was supposed to be in good intent but I do hope they saw me having a seizure couple hours later.
God, I am thankful I am still alive, I am very thankful everyone reacted like they should and I think they even said a nurse was present in the club when it happened and looked out for me. If I had died that would‘ve been the most awful last hours on Earth. Kinda reminds me of that bodycam footage of that dealer who ate all his cocaine and died in absolute agony.

About Tramadol… I know the seizure threshold is lowered on it, I didn‘t take that (or o-desmethyltramadol) in 1 and a half years at that point in time.

if you don‘t mind are you willing to share your experience with serotonin syndrome?

Theres no way that was 7.5 mgs and you OD'D, you either didn't get MDMA or you took way more than you thought.