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xdrc said:
I've not seen mentions of 2C-T erraticness in PiHKAL but for me two trips were duds. And with duds I mean no psychedelic effects at all, despite the dose being appropriate.
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Reading the last few posts I'm seriously considering if there is some unacknowledged enzymatic influence/interaction going on here. This would offer a plausible explanation for the varied reports (as seen in the recent posts) on 2C-T/DOT consistency. It'd be that 4-×ylthio.
 
Allylbenzene said:
Reading the last few posts I'm seriously considering if there is some unacknowledged enzymatic influence/interaction going on here. This would offer a plausible explanation for the varied reports (as seen in the recent posts) on 2C-T/DOT consistency. It'd be that 4-×ylthio.
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I've also thought about this, but there are arguments to be made for and against it.
 
I think I'm due for a trip soon, maybe on Friday or Saturday. I'm trying to figure out what kind of trip I want, which in turn dictates the choice of substance. Usually I don't have much trouble figuring out what I want to do, but this time I'm at a loss. I'm feeling mentally stuck and am not sure where I need to go. All of this is in the context of my ongoing health problems, which I only recently came to understand. I'm feeling alienated with my past as I realize how much these health problem have been affecting my behavior, but I'm also extremely uncertain about my future capabilities.

The trip candidates I'm considering right now are: mushrooms (probably 0.75g which ought to be plenty for me), 2C-D (30 mg), 2C-D + 2C-B (mini-dose amounts), 2C-D + mushrooms (mini-dose amounts), 2C-E (12.5-15 mg), and 2C-P (4 mg).

I'm kind of leaning toward a longer trip but not necessarily 2C-P long, which would point to 2C-E. At the same time, I'd love to "push forward" in my evaluation of 2C-P so that I can try 6 mg later summer or early fall maybe, and I'm curious about 2C-D and its possible combos. Mushrooms might be particularly good for getting my unstuck. So many choices!

I'll keep thinking on this.
 
Allylbenzene said:
Did you note TOMSO?
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@xdrc
Regarding TOMSO; Shulgin named the TOMSO-effect involving alcohol ingestion after having taken the [drug]. Alcohol does many things, including acting as a temporary ALDH inhibitor (due to acetaldehyde). The S in TOMSO happens to be heavily implicated in substrates for ALDH...

xdrc said:
I've not seen mentions of 2C-T erraticness in PiHKAL but for me two trips were duds. And with duds I mean no psychedelic effects at all, despite the dose being appropriate.
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Shulgin writes:
This entire venture into the study of TOMSO was an outgrowth of the extraordinary response that had been shown by one person to 5-TOM. There were two obvious approaches that might throw some light on the reason for this dramatic sensitivity. One would be to see if he was unusually capable of metabolizing sulfur-containing molecules, and the second would be to assume he was, and to try to guess just what product he had manufactured with his liver.
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5-TOM =
2-MeO-4-methyl-5-methylthioamphetamine​

That methylthio is reminiscent of the 2C-T '4.

Some context / explanation for the TOMSO effect. The clues come from disulfiram which is an irreversible inhibitor of aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH).

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I have not checked my nutrition closely during these experiments. Most was on a largely empty stomach with no candidates for ALDH induction ingested, or if so then likely not in relevant quantities. I'm grateful for the hint though and may monitor food in the days before my next DOT dose, but for now I'll just slowly work it up. I'm not in a particular rush however. But I'll still increase to a bold 12 mg. I'm not sure what I'd do if it still isn't active at that level, perhaps drop it like 2C-T.

But I can't shake the feeling that I missed something with 2C-T. I'm waiting for a friend to make and taste it eventually, maybe his report will motivate me to remake and trial it, also monitoring potential foods.

There is definitely something weird going on with these!
 
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Pfafffed said:
Agreed. T2 has been extremely consistent, T7 is a weird one
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That's so weird because 2C-T-2 (2 carbons off the sulfur) is sort of between 2C-T (1 carbon) and 2C-T-7 (3 carbons). And then there is 2C-T-4 which has the 3 carbons in the branched instead of linear configuration. I believe 2C-T-4 also has consistency problems based on PIHKAL and Erowid reports.

In my explorations of 2C-T-4, I was always super cautious because of the reported high individual variation plus the very long duration, yet in all three of my evaluations I way undershot my mark. It's too bad because the effects I did get were absolutely fascinating.
 
iom said:
That's so weird because 2C-T-2 (2 carbons off the sulfur) is sort of between 2C-T (1 carbon) and 2C-T-7 (3 carbons). And then there is 2C-T-4 which has the 3 carbons in the branched instead of linear configuration. I believe 2C-T-4 also has consistency problems based on PIHKAL and Erowid reports.

In my explorations of 2C-T-4, I was always super cautious because of the reported high individual variation plus the very long duration, yet in all three of my evaluations I way undershot my mark. It's too bad because the effects I did get were absolutely fascinating.
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Hmm curious about the T4.. would love to try some day.
The T2 super linear ime, and as i've taken it a few times, pretty much zero body load.
The T7 i once took at 25mg, which was light but very nice. Then I took 40 trying to get a stronger effect and basically nothing happened for 2 hours. I stupidly took 15mg of T2 on top of it and BAM I was rocked. Psychedelic delerium is how I'd describe that experience, though I really only remember the comedown.
 
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Didgital said:
Hmm curious about the T4.. would love to try some day.
The T2 super linear ime, and as i've taken it a few times, pretty much zero body load.
The T7 i once took at 25mg, which was light but very nice. Then I took 40 trying to get a stronger effect and basically nothing happened for 2 hours. I stupidly took 15mg of T2 on top of it and BAM I was rocked. Psychedelic delerium is how I'd describe that experience, though I really only remember the comedown.
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Yes. The delirium-like symptoms were often reported for excessive doses of 2C-T-7, where "excessive" was highly dependent on the person. I knew two guys who took 75 mg and were fine, but one woman was on the threshold of delirium after only 15 mg. It was alarming for those who experienced or observed these episodes because it was very unlike other known psychedelics. I made these observations before the reports of tragic deaths, after which the compound was rapidly scheduled in the U.S. and became almost impossible to obtain.

I never got to try 2C-T-7 and was pretty upset when it got banned because everyone I knew who tried it gave it glowing reviews. Only several years later did I get around to trying 2C-T-2, and I loved it. My only complaint about 2C-T-2 is that the wonderful post-peak effects drop off very quickly. I would absolutely love a 10-12 hour long version of the 2C-T-2 trip if such a thing were possible. Maybe 2C-T-7 comes close, but I never got to find out. 2C-T-4 is definitely its own thing as well as being very long.
 
prototype0077 said:
so wheres the mothership actually heading towards?
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It ultimately goes literally nowhere but it goes literally everywhere along the way.

(Caution: Photosensitivity warning on this one, strobing lights around halfway through. Although, watching it is part of the point for me.)

 
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