Phenethylamines Vaping/smoking mescaline

[xdrc]

I'm not sure that would work well, as mescaline is not really steam-volatile. And damp weed gets dried in a herb vape before convection carries over the cannabinoids in my experience - I have often vaped fresh buds directly from the plant. I'd assume the same would happen with damp freebase-infused herb.

 

[idle_curiosity]

I'm not sure that would work well, as mescaline is not really steam-volatile. And damp weed gets dried in a herb vape before convection carries over the cannabinoids in my experience - I have often vaped fresh buds directly from the plant. I'd assume the same would happen with damp freebase-infused herb.

It works for immiscible reasonably volatile oils, which a lot of freebase alkaloids tend to be (while cannabinoids are not). And I've found it effective for other phenethylamines. The principles behind it are pretty well understood (vapour pressure of mixtures, Raoult's law, Dalton's law). But the sheer quantities required for mescaline dosing would make it impractical, I agree.

 

[Allylbenzene]

But the sheer quantities required for mescaline dosing would make it impractical, I agree.

Technically, if disulfiram is present then the necessary quantity drops ~10-fold.

 

[xdrc]

It works for immiscible reasonably volatile oils, which a lot of freebase alkaloids tend to be (while cannabinoids are not). And I've found it effective for other phenethylamines. The principles behind it are pretty well understood (vapour pressure of mixtures, Raoult's law, Dalton's law). But the sheer quantities required for mescaline dosing would make it impractical, I agree.

I know people who tried steam distilling mescaline as a means of purification, it is inefficient to impossible. It works nicely for unsubstituted, simple alkylated or fluorinated phenethylamines, but for 2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine it drops off to be almost useless, and its even worse with mescaline.

 

[idle_curiosity]

I know people who tried steam distilling mescaline as a means of purification, it is inefficient to impossible. It works nicely for unsubstituted, simple alkylated or fluorinated phenethylamines, but for 2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine it drops off to be almost useless, and its even worse with mescaline.

Yet seemingly effective for DOC and 25E-NBOH - although I realise that's likely more a function of their extreme potencies.

Good to know (and rather a shame it can't be used for mescaline extraction).

 

[xdrc]

I should really make a 2C-D benzoate vape some time in PG/VG. It is right in the middle potency wise and could be very interesting. I have no doubt it works.

 

[Esperighanto]

DOC, a mescaline relative:

There's an erowid report of somebody in Russia vaporizing DOB and ending up hospitalized over a psychotic episode iirc. As far as smoking psychedelic phenethylamines in general though, I've smoked/vaporized allylescaline, 2C-B, 25B-NBOMe, and 25E-NBOH. I'm prone to smoking foolish shit, 7-OH-Mitragynine, NMT, etizolam, phenazolam, etc., but as far as psychedelic phenethylamines go the only one I found to be somewhat wasteful was 2C-B. DOM is next on the list to experiment with vaporizing.

 

[xdrc]

How did you vape the 2C-B and how was the NMT?

 

[idle_curiosity]

There's an erowid report of somebody in Russia vaporizing DOB and ending up hospitalized over a psychotic episode iirc. As far as smoking psychedelic phenethylamines in general though, I've smoked/vaporized allylescaline, 2C-B, 25B-NBOMe, and 25E-NBOH. I'm prone to smoking foolish shit, 7-OH-Mitragynine, NMT, etizolam, phenazolam, etc., but as far as psychedelic phenethylamines go the only one I found to be somewhat wasteful was 2C-B. DOM is next on the list to experiment with vaporizing.

Yep, I found vaping 2C-B to be a disappointment too, but 2C-E works and works well, so I reckon your DOM experiment has a good chance of success (if I had some, I'd race you...).

 

[Esperighanto]

Yep, I found vaping 2C-B to be a disappointment too, but 2C-E works and works well, so I reckon your DOM experiment has a good chance of success (if I had some, I'd race you...).

Thanks for the info dude!

How did you vape the 2C-B and how was the NMT?

Sandwiched in weed, the smoke was caustic like insufflating it. NMT was underwhelming but produced a breakthrough experience in high enough doses that reminded me much more of the "jungle spice" impure yellow DMT you can pull out of things with simple straight-to-bases that you don't wash afterwards. Much more profound feeling, much easier to remember things afterwards. Physically much more intense too, I really enjoyed it but find it best in combination with DMT in the form of that "jungle spice".

 

[xdrc]

Yep, I found vaping 2C-B to be a disappointment too, but 2C-E works and works well, so I reckon your DOM experiment has a good chance of success (if I had some, I'd race you...).

How did you vape the 2C-E (salt form/freebase/method) and which dosages were needed?

 

[idle_curiosity]

How did you vape the 2C-E (salt form/freebase/method) and which dosages were needed?

I've freebased it using sodium carbonate and a dot of water. I don't bother separating it out as it's just a mix of harmless NaCl and freebase at this point (or soon will be), I mop up the damp mass using something herbal/leafy like tobacco, old tea leaves or mullein and use the sandwich method in a pipe or stick it in a weed vape. In a vape I set the temperature fairly high (~180 - 220°C), so can't be absolutely certain that my belief that it's being carried over in the steam phase is true, but it works and hits fast. Dosages in the 10-15 mg, although I'd say it's a little wasteful of material.

[Edit: Reading up on other people's experience suggests I'm being wildly irresponsible and/or wasteful in my approach, other reports suggest significantly lower dosages should be used (a few mgs at most). The onset is fast though, so I pretty much just stop puffing when I'm 'there', so to speak. However, clearly the precautionary approach should always be followed, as while I don't regard myself as particularly reckless, I do have occasional moments of stupidity.

Always start low, and never trust people on the internet.]

 

[Didgital]

There's an erowid report of somebody in Russia vaporizing DOB and ending up hospitalized over a psychotic episode iirc. As far as smoking psychedelic phenethylamines in general though, I've smoked/vaporized allylescaline, 2C-B, 25B-NBOMe, and 25E-NBOH. I'm prone to smoking foolish shit, 7-OH-Mitragynine, NMT, etizolam, phenazolam, etc., but as far as psychedelic phenethylamines go the only one I found to be somewhat wasteful was 2C-B. DOM is next on the list to experiment with vaporizing.

Jeebus christ... vaping DOB seems quite risky. Did they at least use volumetric dosing cuz I'd find it very difficult to precisely measure that quantity of powder, even with a scientific balance. I guess unless the weigh paper was foil.

Anyway not surprised it led to a hospitalization. I'm actually going to write a little 2nd hand story about DOB in the DOB thread if I can find it.

Snap there is no big and dandy dob thread?? wth?!
Ill leave it here I guess.

Long story short, friend of a friend ordered some 2C-B many many years ago directly from china. Upon arriving, out of excitement the FOAF and his entire group of friends ingested a normal sized 2C-B dose of 20mg. A few days later, everyone came back to varying states of consciousness. Entire house was destroyed, blood and other body fluids and holes covered all over the walls. Windows broken, puke everywhere, and no one had any memory of what had happened.

Turns out China had sent them DOB instead of 2C-B.

It's very fortunate no one died and no emergency personnel were alerted to the screams/disturbances that were certainly being emitted from that house. This story and the emergence of methylone really taught me.. "Test your drugs before consuming" especially when buying a substance from an online vendor.

 

[doubledog]

Long story short, friend of a friend ordered some 2C-B many many years ago directly from china. Upon arriving, out of excitement the FOAF and his entire group of friends ingested a normal sized 2C-B dose of 20mg. A few days later, everyone came back to varying states of consciousness. Entire house was destroyed, blood and other body fluids and holes covered all over the walls. Windows broken, puke everywhere, and no one had any memory of what had happened.

Turns out China had sent them DOB instead of 2C-B.

I know of very similar story in my country, but with more tragic outcome. It included heavily destroyed appartment, but also one dead and another person with some flesh missing from his leg.