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DMT session at psychedelic church

opiatekrzy

opiatekrzy

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I live in San Francisco and I was told of a psychedelic church that has spirit guides on site as well. Curious as I was I went there, I filled out paperwork, took a picture for a member ID and it was official I was a member.
New members are given the opportunity to have a DMT session. They have a vape they let you hit and a sitting area to feel the effects.
I did as Instructed and inhaled until my lungs were absolutely full and held it in as long as possible. Boy I wasn't prepared for how intense this trip was going to be.
As soon as the effects hit me, I closed my eyes. I became engulfed with extreme fear and panic. I was starting to feel like I was going to have an adverse reaction to the DMT and suffer a fatal heart attack. The thought felt so real and everything felt demonic and I felt like it was an inevitable truth that this was going to be my reality ; me suffering a fatal heart attack right here at the spiritual church. I had visions of me collapsing, ambulance coming, and being transported to the hospital. I felt the most realistic pain that my mother is experiencing when she gets the phone call and now had to pay to have my body transferred from California back to NY to be cremated. I also visioned her finally getting the autopsy results and finding out I was using drugs in California when I was supposed to be sober doing the right thing and me violating her trust while she is sending me money supporting me only to be getting high lying to her.
I had to fight with my life for the longest 15 minutes of my entire life to stay alive. I felt like I was forced to navigate an airplane with zero experience to prevent it from crashing. That's how hard and agonizing the 15min DMT trip was.
I came to the conclusion that I have demonic spirits embedded deep in me and my soul Is having a constant battle fighting it off.
I didn't feel welcome at all by the spirits when I did the DMT. It felt taken over by demonic entities.
This was the most scariest, demonic and dysphoric feeling I have ever felt in my life and I'm never touching it again.
Im in San Francisco and I can't believe this psychedelic church is legal and allowed to run like it is. They also have mescaline, 5-meo-dmt, DMT, mushrooms and marijuana. I must say it is pretty cool to see a place like that.
 
opiatekrzy said:
I came to the conclusion that I have demonic spirits embedded deep in me and my soul Is having a constant battle fighting it off.
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Glad you are ok, interesting statement, but on the poetic side. I usually have a different way of viewing this. Instead of me carrying around ghouls (been watching Sopranos lately so use I've been using the lingo) I know the ghouls already existed and put their thoughts out into the universe. Then I can either tune in or not. Like a radio wave. Next time you may get Angelic results. And as i do believe we all carry our "internal demons", I just view them as choices in ourselves we have to change. Not an actual demon. Nothing can really hurt you. Tune differently. Like change the channel.

I am not sure how I feel about psychedelic churches. Why can't they just be tools people use? I know we have to word things differently to get around some of the current barbaric laws, but a scientist using DMT would be as fascinated as someone going to a church to use it. It should be free for all. I am of the mind I liked that LSD was dumped into the public with no guidance manual in the 60's. (We got some good music! lol) And I subscribe to the idea that we are our own Shaman and Guru. No need for an external influence. Now I am probably missing some important points with that attitude, but that is the way I feel.
 
I know 2C-B and DMT have to be the best ! Better than a funnel cake. I like to live dangerously.

The 2C-B not so much. ^^ Nice.
 
JackARoe said:
Glad you are ok, interesting statement, but on the poetic side. I usually have a different way of viewing this. Instead of me carrying around ghouls (been watching Sopranos lately so use I've been using the lingo) I know the ghouls already existed and put their thoughts out into the universe. Then I can either tune in or not. Like a radio wave. Next time you may get Angelic results. And as i do believe we all carry our "internal demons", I just view them as choices in ourselves we have to change. Not an actual demon. Nothing can really hurt you. Tune differently. Like change the channel.

I am not sure how I feel about psychedelic churches. Why can't they just be tools people use? I know we have to word things differently to get around some of the current barbaric laws, but a scientist using DMT would be as fascinated as someone going to a church to use it. It should be free for all. I am of the mind I liked that LSD was dumped into the public with no guidance manual in the 60's. (We got some good music! lol) And I subscribe to the idea that we are our own Shaman and Guru. No need for an external influence. Now I am probably missing some important points with that attitude, but that is the way I feel.
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I agree @JackARoe 100% why is it common practice people are drawn to having assistance in their quest for internal growth and awareness by way of a teacher, guru, or clergy? It's so stupid humans are so dependent on so called leaders they fail to realize their own potential. These so called spiritual leaders or whatever they consider themselves as conduits or helpers are nothing more than humans themselves. Somehow they got it in their head they are special and called upon by a higher power to share their understanding....such bull shit, it makes me nauseous.
 
opiatekrzy said:
I live in San Francisco and I was told of a psychedelic church that has spirit guides on site as well. Curious as I was I went there, I filled out paperwork, took a picture for a member ID and it was official I was a member.
New members are given the opportunity to have a DMT session. They have a vape they let you hit and a sitting area to feel the effects.
I did as Instructed and inhaled until my lungs were absolutely full and held it in as long as possible. Boy I wasn't prepared for how intense this trip was going to be.
As soon as the effects hit me, I closed my eyes. I became engulfed with extreme fear and panic. I was starting to feel like I was going to have an adverse reaction to the DMT and suffer a fatal heart attack. The thought felt so real and everything felt demonic and I felt like it was an inevitable truth that this was going to be my reality ; me suffering a fatal heart attack right here at the spiritual church. I had visions of me collapsing, ambulance coming, and being transported to the hospital. I felt the most realistic pain that my mother is experiencing when she gets the phone call and now had to pay to have my body transferred from California back to NY to be cremated. I also visioned her finally getting the autopsy results and finding out I was using drugs in California when I was supposed to be sober doing the right thing and me violating her trust while she is sending me money supporting me only to be getting high lying to her.
I had to fight with my life for the longest 15 minutes of my entire life to stay alive. I felt like I was forced to navigate an airplane with zero experience to prevent it from crashing. That's how hard and agonizing the 15min DMT trip was.
I came to the conclusion that I have demonic spirits embedded deep in me and my soul Is having a constant battle fighting it off.
I didn't feel welcome at all by the spirits when I did the DMT. It felt taken over by demonic entities.
This was the most scariest, demonic and dysphoric feeling I have ever felt in my life and I'm never touching it again.
Im in San Francisco and I can't believe this psychedelic church is legal and allowed to run like it is. They also have mescaline, 5-meo-dmt, DMT, mushrooms and marijuana. I must say it is pretty cool to see a place like that.
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Psychedelics are known to bring out subconcious fears to the surface, also whoever made the dmt they could have bad intentions.
 
I believe, due to a build up of evidence over a long time, that something happened to the quality of all the different types of bark, both mexican and brazillian MHRB, acacia confusa probalby always sucked since its like half NMT.. and people have been in denial about it. Its just REALLY hard to get the DMT to be pure enough, to not get that dark, ugly visuals, demonic crap trips. People will point to analysis showing 95 or 98% pure, but for me I know that even a TINY bit of the wrong weird plant compound in there will RUIN the trip. I thought it was my brain and sometimes DMT does change on you but I have had the good stuff just a few years ago.

Something just came to mind that would be more evidence and something I noticed - if the DMT is in a electronic vape device, and if its good at first but quickly turns into that 'ugly trip' i think its because some of the DMT gets changed with the vape and if there is a lot of it and its just sitting in there, the heat degrades just a tiny bit, and that is enough to ruin it.

I think the demand for it, just makes people harvest way more of it way too fast and maybe this changes the contents of what those other compounds are and some of them are just extremely potent and override DMT. After enough years of this no one even knows what real DMT is supposed to be like anymore unless you've had the good shit before or used lots before like 2005.. I know that almost all of the vape pens and dmt on DNMs sucks, big time sucks, and its because there are no inventives to not just profit from impure. It makes people trip and people just won't sit and wonder for a sec if its true, so they just deny that its a quality issue. Younger people who haven't had good pure DMT, haven't seen the crystalline extreme clarity, like being in a cartoon or digital world, they just think its demons or spiritual stuff or something... or think they can't handle it, or whatever
 
Your bad trip didn't need to happen if you weren't trying to fight it. If you would have surrendered and just relaxed you could have learned something from your experience. Even if you are being led into hell itself, just tell yourself that this will be over in 15 minutes and follow along and you will learn why you are being shown these images. Do it again with tested substances and get it in your head that it is for a reason if it seems scary.
 
Seems pretty reckless for the organization to let people just hit DMT vapes after filling out a bit of paperwork. You'd think if they are serious about spiritual healing or whatever, they'd take some time with the person to evaluate if they are ready for the experience and what their needs are and such.
 
Bagseed said:
Seems pretty reckless for the organization to let people just hit DMT vapes after filling out a bit of paperwork. You'd think if they are serious about spiritual healing or whatever, they'd take some time with the person to evaluate if they are ready for the experience and what their needs are and such.
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Well said. At least some amount of coaching and starting off lightly. Look at it this way, you have just about the strongest psychedelic blindly given to the most naive group there is that most have never taken a puff on a joint, what could go wrong?
 
After reading Yoyomans reply I hope he is mistaken about the decline in quality over the years in DMT with NMT slipping in. I recently had some DMT tested that was a couple of years old and it came back as perfect as it could have with only one ingredient detected. I will inquire if the testing facility that I am using is capable of distinguishing NMT. The testing facility is the government run one that tests with no charge and it takes two weeks to get the detailed results. Unless it is against the rules I can give the government web site and a person can view recent DMT tests from around the country from anonymous people that had the tests done and see if NMT showed up in any of them.
 
Sorry for asking an annoying question but what is nmt is it some sort of a synthetic or analog?Sorry for asking an annoying question but what is nmt is it some sort of a synthetic or analog?
 
NMT is an analog found alongside DMT in many plants and is therefore a possible impurity in extracted DMT. To my knowledge the effect of NMT is weak if not lacking entirely, but many people hypothesize that its presence can taint or degrade a DMT trip. I don't think there is strong evidence either way, and we know set and setting can also cause unwanted effects which people may be inclined to blame on contaminants (e.g. "bad acid").
 
There are lots of different compounds that sometimes end up in DMT extract, NMT is only one and I think it only shows up in certain types of bark like acacia confusa.

I actually finally was able to source 250mg of mostly pure - feeling DMT (even when yellow, better than most of the white i've had). I don't know what it is - it works and is amazing BUT I'm too scared to risk smoking it unless i'm HEAVILY sedated on benzos or something strong. Its like.. I have had a couple scary experiences, long ago, and its just burned into my mind like some kind of PTSD. I think I just have to give up - it'll prob never be as good as the first bunch of times since i never know when i'm gonna freak out for zero reason.

Even on a benzo I can only do like 15mg... i get the cool cartoon/videogame vision that feels like 400fps and its super fun. There have been times I vaped... 8mg, and i don't know why, but something about it makes me panic when not on a sedative. I'm older now and some drugs affect me differently. IDK - i really kind of want to trip on it orally like the first time I tried it but too scared. Its unpredictable, and some of that due to weird compounds but some just a mystery...
 
OP it was just that both set and setting were completely incongruous, and you were not in any way prepared for it

For real. fucking stupid crazy for them to give it to you like that. That crew have no fkin clue what they're doing imho. Borderline abusive tbh

If you take it again, have an experienced trip sitter, take it in a safe comfortable space where there will be no intrusion, if you use music then just something super ambient calm without lyrics. It kicked your ass because there was no respect for the process and you went in blind and unsupported. Take it as above and it's likely you'd have a beautiful experience

There's no demons in you fella
 
So much has happened in the last month or two I don't know where to start. I realize that actual discussing where to acquire is off limits for good reason but items that can be bought on ebay legally and shipped legally seem to be on the banned list I guess. I would like to warn people not to make the mistake I did but I don't think I can. I am out $4,200 at the moment and there are very crafty people out there so triple check anyone and be suspicious of everyone. Even credit card company's see certain words and automatically deny payment it is so widespread.
Anyway, I have been doing extractions for awhile now and getting varied results. I have several books that discuss methods and really enjoy the work as I was a chem lab worker for a few years out of school. Our local waste water facility had a lab glassware auction awhile back and I bought pretty much all of it, very exotic looking glassware that looks so complicated that even if I just had it on a table and the law saw it they would probably start reading me my rights! It looks like bad timing for finally getting some where with my extractions and testing because I just learned I have a heart issue and the cardiologist is concerned and doing tests. My heart rate gets as low as 40 and just one trip up and down the stairs shoots it up over 90. I have a friend that broke through and recorded a 180 beats per minute rate and he is younger and athletic. After reading about breaking through for several years I may not ever be able to safely now. I cautiously have done sub-breakthrough amounts and found it very good, the clarity and colors and patterns.
Moderator; if someone was getting ready to order a significant amount of a legal product from an online vendor, are they allowed to ask via PM if it is a scam site? I'll accept and abide by your reply. Thank You.
 
divon said:
Moderator; if someone was getting ready to order a significant amount of a legal product from an online vendor, are they allowed to ask via PM if it is a scam site? I'll accept and abide by your reply. Thank You.
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No one is going to know if you ask someone by PM and it is likely that some people do exactly that; but if you do it, the risk is entirely yours. There is a "strict no source discussion" rule here and you are advised against it. If you break the rules secretly by PM, there is no way for staff to know. It's not that it is "allowed", it is just that there is no practical way to enforce it.
 
I’ve quite a bit of past experience with variety of DMT extracts. NMT effects DMT in a similar way that CBD effects THC. Very little effect on its own but when combined in the correct ratios with DMT produces the best experiences.

Acacia confusa can vary wildly in its NMT content and some extracts can be almost pure NMT while others sway much more to DMT. When extracted where there’s a small amount of NMT mixed in, it gives the most love inducing deems trips. Feels like your floating home to heaven, a place that feels familiar because it is familiar.

Also I don’t believe the DMT has changed. DMT has always varied depending on how it’s sourced and made. Theres so many plant sources and varieties of each plant that the variables are endless. I remember over a decade ago doing a side by side comparison of Chaliponga from different regions, and the DMT content varied tremendously between each one both in quantity and quality.

I will say though, I do believe that DMT which has undergone oxidation feels different. Smoking pipe resin DMT or in this case a vape that’s been used many times, I’ve noticed and others have noticed a darker tone to those experiences.

-GC
 
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