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You don't have to believe in God, God believes in You.

notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
The first THREE RULES DOES FEEL EXCESSIVE.
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In all cultures with gods those gods derive their power from worship/followers. Much like human idols derive their social power from their number of followers. That would mean that it's jealous and flies into a rage because if another being obtained more worshipers it would become more powerful than the god of the bible. Which is probably why so many feel the need to worship Lucifer/Satan instead of the god of the bible.

This would also mean that any old regular person or animal could obtain god-hood. Many do outside of western nations. There are many people, animals and objects enshrined all over the world that have large numbers of followers that worship them and those beings are said to protect certain people/places.

This all means that everyone and everything has the ability to reach god-hood and obtain that type of power. Provided they could collect enough worshipers. Which is most likely the source of the god in the bible's rage. It doesn't want you to find out that you can become just like it. Otherwise, you wouldn't be feeding it power unknowingly. Instead of praying to it for help you'd learn how to help yourself.

I have always found it suspicious that western religion seems to run on the same two-party bullshit system that western politics functions on. Where large groups of people are following two main characters. Who keep the large groups of people in-fighting and chasing their tails. Where nothing positive happens.

Never forget that our original sin/crime was learning about good and evil/knowledge. Then we were quickly ousted from the garden before we could learn some other forbidden knowledge. Probably the knowledge that would have lifted the veil and allowed us to become gods. We're supposed to have the divine spark after all.

I think we were all tricked into coming in here and the entire system is set up to keep us confused so we can't find out way back out. Why would I care about what's happening inside of this evil place beyond helping my loved ones find the way out of it? Why would I want to keep living here when I could go off and make my own fun place?

If it really cared about you and was your "father" it would want you to go off and do better than it did. Instead of living in its basement for eternity.
 
That is a very interesting theory.... and kind of the plot to highlander? (Breakin balls)

HeadphonesandLSD said:
In all cultures with gods those gods derive their power from worship/followers. Much like human idols derive their social power from their number of followers. That would mean that it's jealous and flies into a rage because if another being obtained more worshipers it would become more powerful than the god of the bible. Which is probably why so many feel the need to worship Lucifer/Satan instead of the god of the bible.

This would also mean that any old regular person or animal could obtain god-hood.
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HeadphonesandLSD said:
Many do outside of western nations. There are many people, animals and objects enshrined all over the world that have large numbers of followers that worship them and those beings are said to protect certain people/places.
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There are "Many people" --- "Said to", May I get an example for context?

HeadphonesandLSD said:
This all means that everyone and everything has the ability to reach god-hood and obtain that type of power. Provided they could collect enough worshipers. Which is most likely the source of the god in the bible's rage. It doesn't want you to find out that you can become just like it. Otherwise, you wouldn't be feeding it power unknowingly. Instead of praying to it for help you'd learn how to help yourself.

I have always found it suspicious that western religion seems to run on the same two-party bullshit system that western politics functions on. Where large groups of people are following two main characters. Who keep the large groups of people in-fighting and chasing their tails. Where nothing positive happens.

Never forget that our original sin/crime was learning about good and evil/knowledge. Then we were quickly ousted from the garden before we could learn some other forbidden knowledge. Probably the knowledge that would have lifted the veil and allowed us to become gods. We're supposed to have the divine spark after all.

I think we were all tricked into coming in here and the entire system is set up to keep us confused so we can't find out way back out. Why would I care about what's happening inside of this evil place beyond helping my loved ones find the way out of it?
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Good stuff, no notes or particular disagreement. I mean I got questions, like how would ppl 'following, worshipping,etc.. me' actually lead to power?? (Other than like politically or influencing ppl)
HeadphonesandLSD said:
Why would I want to keep living here when I could go off and make my own fun place?
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You wouldnt so you would? Several cult leaders have tried with varying degrees of success -- none of them appear 'gods' in the way we are speaking about
HeadphonesandLSD said:
If it really cared about you and was your "father" it wou ld want you to go off and do better than it did. Instead of living in its basement for eternity.
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That metaphor is a shot in the dark? The earth is very hospitable compared to most places in the universe.

The bigger problem is it RELIES ENTIRELY on the premise that anyone could become a god. (Maybe your example will blow my mind)
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
I think we were all tricked into coming in here and the entire system is set up to...
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I recognise your rationale and line of reasoning from my own atheist/agnostic days. All I'd say is that no "western religion" is a valid nor genuine representation. "Eastern attitudes" are a mixed bunch also. From what I can see, people are mislead by church-type religion or the religion of scientism. Someone else said it best:
The nihilistic viewpoint of scientism espouses materilistic reductionism that cant explain anything in reality.
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HeadphonesandLSD said:
If it really cared about you and was your "father" it would want you to go off and do better than it did.
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From what I've seen, that's a core tenant. But seen from an atheist perspective many things might remain obfuscated and thus misinterpreted. For context, many christians don't genuinely understand the bible either.
 
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Allylbenzene said:
It's a common misconception which I once believed also. All angels obey God and enact his bidding which covers all aspects of duality.


The trinity doesn't exist within the bible. It's an additional construct which has been construed and formally adopted by some but that's all. God ("the ancient of days" - Daniel 7:9) existed before everything, including any humans. Nothing is equal to him, and the bible frequently describes Jesus as having a god.
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ead the Bible, Jesus is the Son of God and The Holy Spitit exists. They form the Holy Trinity. I am not going to argue with people who haven't read and studied The Bible.

I am the last person who would be a believer, but I am. I know what I have read and understand what is being in it.

Not my loss, yours. Hell is hot and eternity is forever.
 
Jnowhere said:
They form the Holy Trinity. I am not going to argue with people who haven't read and studied The Bible.
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As I wrote, the trinity is an additional construct which has no basis in the bible text. Roman Catholics consistently fail to coherently justify the trinity and only do so by resorting to philosophising.
 
Allylbenzene said:
Roman Catholics consistently fail to coherently justify the trinity and only do so by resorting to philosophising.
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Roman Catholics ( and indeed anyone else for that matter) are not required to justify their belief. If you choose to not believe in the Trinity, that is fine. There are no absolute winners in a discussion in this sub forum. It is a means for exchange of ideas, not to declare absolute certainty.

♥️
 
donotdothis said:
I thought the bible was about what God does...
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From my perspective it is more of a historical and educational document which instructs the Israelites how to operate and behave. I'd distinguish between the Israelites of the bible and the present-day people which inhibit and rule the country of Israel.
 
donotdothis said:
I thought the bible was about what God does...
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It could also be said that it is documentation of the the history and agreements between God and and Humans. A "Testament" is an agreement between two parties. The Old Testament was the Mosaic (Moses) and the New Testament is Christian (Jesus).

Both prove that humanity at large, try but fail to fulfill the contract.

:unsure:

Because we are only human in the end. We, ourselves, cannot save ourselves. We must follow the Good Shepard.
 
And it feels so good. 🙏


;)


Thank you God for everything that you have did for me that I didn't think was even possible to happen.

amen<3


And thank you again for the strength that you give to Me Meeee meee me me me me meeeee.


I Love You. :cool:
 
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