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[LoginNotSecure]

About mirtazapine.

Not just me then, lads. Wow we finally found something we can all agree on

@F.U.B.A.R. yeah I've had to get up a couple of times under the influence of mirtazapine and was completely incapable of anything more complicated than stumbling to the toilet for a sit down piss.

And the sleep isn't restorative as it should be. It's been so long since I woke up in the morning and felt rested and ready to go about my day. Not enthusiastic at all. More of coming too and think aww fuck not again. I'd really like to get to a point where I get up feeling happy about the new day. Which is fucking sad really. I hope it will come in time.

I was speaking to a friend recently who said they've finally got to that stage. How? Total sobriety from everything. Sounds drastic. But I might have to give it a go. I'm working towards it. If anyone else has any other suggestions I'm interested. Seriously, I'll try anything. Even total sobriety. But that's not something I can just do overnight. If you know me, you know.

@Zopiclone bandit the munchies on the stuff are way worse than anything I've experienced on Pregabalin. The weight gain has created more problems for me than it solved.

@LoginNotSecure I was genuinely interested to hear your opinion on this. I think you're right. But then what do you think the answer is? Are there any antidepressants that do work from the off?

Treating the cause before you start throwing pills at it. But, if pills need to be thrown then it’s diazepam every time.

If you can find out the reason someone is depressed for example, and that might be down to job loss, bereavement, finances, then you can focus on the cause.

Most will just write a prescription and you’re out the door in under four minutes with a follow up appointment sometimes 3-6 months down the line.

Shocking service.

 

[BadBoy377]

Treating the cause before you start throwing pills at it. But, if pills need to be thrown then it’s diazepam every time.

If you can find out the reason someone is depressed for example, and that might be down to job loss, bereavement, finances, then you can focus on the cause.

Most will just write a prescription and you’re out the door in under four minutes with a follow up appointment sometimes 3-6 months down the line.

Shocking service.

I actually do think I'd like you to be my doc. It's a compliment.

You've said a lot of stuff that I've said to other folk when discussing the current healthcare situation and state of the NHS.

 

[Bleaney]

Treating the cause before you start throwing pills at it. But, if pills need to be thrown then it’s diazepam every time.

If you can find out the reason someone is depressed for example, and that might be down to job loss, bereavement, finances, then you can focus on the cause.

Most will just write a prescription and you’re out the door in under four minutes with a follow up appointment sometimes 3-6 months down the line.

Shocking service.

That's gonna be a crowd pleasing post on here, but diazepam for depression? Really?

I guess temporarily following the unbearable loss of a loved one, and situations like that, it could and almost certainly would help enormously. Way more than SSRIs, especially as you say they take weeks to take effect, if they ever do at all.

But as a getting on for long term benzo user myself, I have no regrets, but they are far more habit forming and addictive than SSRIs. Although SSRIs are also apparently just as horrific to quit in many cases..

Benzos are a million times more effective for anxiety though.

SSRIs are a complete joke for treating anxiety, many people say. Although a minority appear to derive some benefit. Probably placebo.

SSRIs seem to be something of a con, to say the least.

They were meant to be more effective than benzos, much safer than benzos, with none of the w/d problems of benzos.

And we all know how that turned out

 

[BadBoy377]

That's gonna be a crowd pleasing post on here, but diazepam for depression? Really?

Absolutely a crowd pleaser on here...

...imagine Logs house besieged by a mob of manic EADDers battering on the door and shouting for diazepam!

You're right about SSRIs. Fifty percent success rate at best. I know a couple of people that they really helped though.

 

[Bleaney]

Absolutely a crowd pleaser on here...

...imagine Logs house besieged by a mob of manic EADDers battering on the door and shouting for diazepam!

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Lower the dose the more sedating. The higher dose the more SNRI effects.

so I gather - I also hate binning drugs too btw (errr, if I've ever done that?), it goes against the grain bigtime.

The Mirtaz are 15's. I've had them a few years. I've got ready access to diazepam/alprazolam/soma/zops if I'm in need, so it's highly unlikely I'll 'need' the Mirtaz, particularly as I only tend to dose a benzo-type drug once a week. Occasionally twice. Often not for a fortnight. Same pattern for a couple of decades now. Probably average 3 doses/month.

So, as I have a personal policy of not giving people shitty drugs, I think I'll break with tradition and bin these little fuckers. Perhaps some kinda 'preservation' issue (think survival instinct )will kick in and I won't be physically able to chuck 'em

 

[KurtAurelius]

@Pissed_and_messed and @F.U.B.A.R. do you find that although mirtazapine does make you sleep the actual quality of sleep is pretty shit irregardless of the length?A bit like being put to sleep with a sledgehammer.

Can't say it put me in a bad mood next day but also not in a good one either. Just feel tired hungover and can't be fucked with anyone or anything. The joy of life was severely blunted and in hindsight this led to the use of other substances to compensate for this.

So kinda counter productive as an antidepressant. A dirty drug that can be used as as a sedative. The palpitations when it was kicking in were pretty unpleasant and the munchies were ridiculous. Way worse than weed.

I see a lot of people get stuck on it too. It took me several attempts to quit it for good but I'm glad I did.

I had a awful time coming of it, did a crazy long taper and had no help from the doctors, was cutting a 15mg tablet with a razor blade into 1/8ths as it was so awful.

Kicked booze, opioids, benzos cold (disclaimer stupid I am lucky), but not mirtzapine.

awful drug

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

awful drug

Ok. That's swung it. They're in the bin! (ime doesn't mean they'll stay there though, but it's a statement of intent at least)

 

[KurtAurelius]

About mirtazapine.

Not just me then, lads. Wow we finally found something we can all agree on

@F.U.B.A.R. yeah I've had to get up a couple of times under the influence of mirtazapine and was completely incapable of anything more complicated than stumbling to the toilet for a sit down piss.

And the sleep isn't restorative as it should be. It's been so long since I woke up in the morning and felt rested and ready to go about my day. Not enthusiastic at all. More of coming too and think aww fuck not again. I'd really like to get to a point where I get up feeling happy about the new day. Which is fucking sad really. I hope it will come in time.

I was speaking to a friend recently who said they've finally got to that stage. How? Total sobriety from everything. Sounds drastic. But I might have to give it a go. I'm working towards it. If anyone else has any other suggestions I'm interested. Seriously, I'll try anything. Even total sobriety. But that's not something I can just do overnight. If you know me, you know.

@Zopiclone bandit the munchies on the stuff are way worse than anything I've experienced on Pregabalin. The weight gain has created more problems for me than it solved.

@LoginNotSecure I was genuinely interested to hear your opinion on this. I think you're right. But then what do you think the answer is? Are there any antidepressants that do work from the off?

I think the only way, which is the only way I’m off the harder drugs, and able to maintain a more balanced life,

Is lots and lots of exercise, prioritising time outdoors with friends and family, people you really give a shit about, and you connect to, and spending as much time doing the stuff you love. For me it’s been music and writing, but I also love holistic stuff,

I’m not perfect, but I used to drink half a litre of vodka a day, or was munching 20+ fake Valium, or 1-2gs of ketamine a day.

I have really bad days still, but that stuff is the only reason I’m still alive.

The “normal life” is shit, and the modern way of living makes us horribly depressed.

The only way is to really live.

The screens, the food, the job, all of that crap is poisoning the soul.

Trying to reclaim positivity in life and caring about something more than just fleeting sensation.

Chasing only purpose gives me back my spark, and I wake up with a bonfire in my heart.

 

[KurtAurelius]

That's gonna be a crowd pleasing post on here, but diazepam for depression? Really?

I guess temporarily following the unbearable loss of a loved one, and situations like that, it could and almost certainly would help enormously. Way more than SSRIs, especially as you say they take weeks to take effect, if they ever do at all.

But as a getting on for long term benzo user myself, I have no regrets, but they are far more habit forming and addictive than SSRIs. Although SSRIs are also apparently just as horrific to quit in many cases..

Benzos are a million times more effective for anxiety though.

SSRIs are a complete joke for treating anxiety, many people say. Although a minority appear to derive some benefit. Probably placebo.

SSRIs seem to be something of a con, to say the least.

They were meant to be more effective than benzos, much safer than benzos, with none of the w/d problems of benzos.

And we all know how that turned out

For me opioids are the equivalent, they are a temporary perfect fix.

If a opioid drug is found that doesn’t build tolerance, it would outperform any other drug.

But that’s just my 2 cents.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

And we all know how that turned out

we do - same as how replacing barbs with benzos turned out....or how the high-dose oxy scripts turned out....

there's a bit of a pattern!

 

[LoginNotSecure]

Absolutely a crowd pleaser on here...

...imagine Logs house besieged by a mob of manic EADDers battering on the door and shouting for diazepam!

You're right about SSRIs. Fifty percent success rate at best. I know a couple of people that they really helped though.

I'd hazard a guess that a large proportion of people that claim antidepressants work for them, would be the same proportion if you gave them sugar pills. Some people just need to feel like they've been given "something" that'll make them feel different, a placebo.

 

[BadBoy377]

so I gather - I also hate binning drugs too btw (errr, if I've ever done that?), it goes against the grain bigtime.

The Mirtaz are 15's. I've had them a few years. I've got ready access to diazepam/alprazolam/soma/zops if I'm in need, so it's highly unlikely I'll 'need' the Mirtaz, particularly as I only tend to dose a benzo-type drug once a week. Occasionally twice. Often not for a fortnight. Same pattern for a couple of decades now. Probably average 3 doses/month.

So, as I have a personal policy of not giving people shitty drugs, I think I'll break with tradition and bin these little fuckers. Perhaps some kinda 'preservation' issue (think survival instinct )will kick in and I won't be physically able to chuck 'em

To be fair that's a good policy. I hope that policy includes yourself in 'people'.

Also respect, that's a very disciplined regime you've got going there with the benzos and similar. If you've got a healthy stash then you're unlikely to ever need mirt. I do think it's a dirty wee fucker. But it does have one positive and that is that it's mode of action doesn't act on the GABA system. So if for some reason you didn't want to use GABAergic drugs, it will work without fucking your GABA system about. It's just an incredibly potent antihistamine. And say you did find yourself in need there's plenty other shitty antihistamines you could use that are easily available OTC like promethazine and diphenhydramine. But doesn't sound like you need them. Mirtazapine won't bring any joy to your life. If you need sleep that bad and you're not used to it be prepared to sleep in, drag yourself out of bed and be dull and hungover for the rest of the day. Bin em. Well, hand them in to the pharmacy for disposal would be the responsible thing to do.

I should take a little page out of your book and your 'policy' and not recommend people use shitty drugs.

Respect, mate.

 

[BadBoy377]

I had a awful time coming of it, did a crazy long taper and had no help from the doctors, was cutting a 15mg tablet with a razor blade into 1/8ths as it was so awful.

Kicked booze, opioids, benzos cold (disclaimer stupid I am lucky), but not mirtzapine.

awful drug

Yeah, mate. I'm in a couple of FB groups where people are having that problem. GPs are quick to dish the shit out but not so keen to help help folks out when they want to stop. It was fucking hard. My psychiatrist said at my dose (15mg) I should just stop and it would be fine. It wasn't. It was a hellish experience. I tried three times over that last couple years but always ended back up on it. I just couldn't stay off it. It was the insomnia got to me in the end every time. I was even using benzos to help, taking a hard hitting short acter like alprazolam to get me off to sleep and sticking a long acting one under my tongue as I went to bed like clonazepam or nitrazepam to keep me asleep, it wasn't a sustainable process. I never tried the exponential taper or whatever it was.

In the end I just stopped. It was about a month ago. I ended up just getting pished for three days and high too. After that I just picked myself up and tried to get on with it. I feel like this is the time. It's still early days so we'll see how it goes but I reckon this is the time.

@KurtAurelius when you did the taper did you find it got even more sedating as the doses got smaller?

I think the only way, which is the only way I’m off the harder drugs, and able to maintain a more balanced life,

Is lots and lots of exercise, prioritising time outdoors with friends and family, people you really give a shit about, and you connect to, and spending as much time doing the stuff you love. For me it’s been music and writing, but I also love holistic stuff,

I’m not perfect, but I used to drink half a litre of vodka a day, or was munching 20+ fake Valium, or 1-2gs of ketamine a day.

I have really bad days still, but that stuff is the only reason I’m still alive.

The “normal life” is shit, and the modern way of living makes us horribly depressed.

The only way is to really live.

The screens, the food, the job, all of that crap is poisoning the soul.

Trying to reclaim positivity in life and caring about something more than just fleeting sensation.

Chasing only purpose gives me back my spark, and I wake up with a bonfire in my heart.

Mate... this post. Yes! You said it 100%

You make some great points there, modern life really is fucking us up. The screens, distracting you with false shit that doesn't really relate to living a fulfilled life. Quite the opposite really. Making us depressed because we don't have the dream life cunts are trying to sell us, warping our world view and our morals. The quick fix instant gratification society where you can get whatever you want without stepping out the front door or putting the legwork in. From sex to drugs, food and alcohol delivered via apps. See whatever you want on the internet or streaming plaforms. Music streaming has severly devalued music and films. Cunts don't even listen to a whole song let alone a whole album because they get bored and just skip through it all without really appreciating it. You don't have to trawl through record shops looking for rare tracks, just type it in a search bar...

And where you were and where you are now. That's awesome, well done. Fucking amazing, mate. Massive respect.

Ultimately you've made some really good points there and I'm gonna take some of that on board and work with it. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully it works.

Cheers,

BB

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

To be fair that's a good policy. I hope that policy includes yourself in 'people'.

Also respect, that's a very disciplined regime you've got going there with the benzos and similar. If you've got a healthy stash then you're unlikely to ever need mirt. I do think it's a dirty wee fucker. But it does have one positive and that is that it's mode of action doesn't act on the GABA system. So if for some reason you didn't want to use GABAergic drugs, it will work without fucking your GABA system about. It's just an incredibly potent antihistamine. And say you did find yourself in need there's plenty other shitty antihistamines you could use that are easily available OTC like promethazine and diphenhydramine. But doesn't sound like you need them. Mirtazapine won't bring any joy to your life. If you need sleep that bad and you're not used to it be prepared to sleep in, drag yourself out of bed and be dull and hungover for the rest of the day. Bin em. Well, hand them in to the pharmacy for disposal would be the responsible thing to do.

I should take a little page out of your book and your 'policy' and not recommend people use shitty drugs.

Respect, mate.

I do include myself in 'people' but I don't always manage to apply those same rules ofc. Am improving greatly in that regard though (at long fukkin last)

It's a disciplined benzo regimen yeah but dunno if 'respect' is warranted. If I'd begun with them when younger and before I was so drug-educated it could have been a different story (and has been a very different story with other drugs, primarily stims). Also they just don't really 'hit' me (ofc different substances hit different people differently due to a zillion variables) beyond giving me a guaranteed 'good' sleep once a week or so, I've never felt the slightest 'pull' to them, thank fuck. (I've never really dug alcohol either, which makes sense in this light)

Have unbinned the Mirtaz already! Failure! (Nah not really, I have unbinned them but only so I can drop them into the chemist tomorrow - best practice for sure, thanks for the reminder

 

[BadBoy377]

Have unbinned the Mirtaz already! Failure! (Nah not really, I have unbinned them but only so I can drop them into the chemist tomorrow - best practice for sure, thanks for the reminder

APF: "Eh, I was just wondering if I could swap these for a box of co-codamol, aye?"

Jokes aside, good lad

 

[KurtAurelius]

Yeah, mate. I'm in a couple of FB groups where people are having that problem. GPs are quick to dish the shit out but not so keen to help help folks out when they want to stop. It was fucking hard. My psychiatrist said at my dose (15mg) I should just stop and it would be fine. It wasn't. It was a hellish experience. I tried three times over that last couple years but always ended back up on it. I just couldn't stay off it. It was the insomnia got to me in the end every time. I was even using benzos to help, taking a hard hitting short acter like alprazolam to get me off to sleep and sticking a long acting one under my tongue as I went to bed like clonazepam or nitrazepam to keep me asleep, it wasn't a sustainable process. I never tried the exponential taper or whatever it was.

In the end I just stopped. It was about a month ago. I ended up just getting pished for three days and high too. After that I just picked myself up and tried to get on with it. I feel like this is the time. It's still early days so we'll see how it goes but I reckon this is the time.

@KurtAurelius when you did the taper did you find it got even more sedating as the doses got smaller?



Mate... this post. Yes! You said it 100%

You make some great points there, modern life really is fucking us up. The screens, distracting you with false shit that doesn't really relate to living a fulfilled life. Quite the opposite really. Making us depressed because we don't have the dream life cunts are trying to sell us, warping our world view and our morals. The quick fix instant gratification society where you can get whatever you want without stepping out the front door or putting the legwork in. From sex to drugs, food and alcohol delivered via apps. See whatever you want on the internet or streaming plaforms. Music streaming has severly devalued music and films. Cunts don't even listen to a whole song let alone a whole album because they get bored and just skip through it all without really appreciating it. You don't have to trawl through record shops looking for rare tracks, just type it in a search bar...

And where you were and where you are now. That's awesome, well done. Fucking amazing, mate. Massive respect.

Ultimately you've made some really good points there and I'm gonna take some of that on board and work with it. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully it works.

Cheers,

BB

Thank you,
Those tiny slithers of mitaz would still knock me out quite severely even while tapering, from my best memory,

It does not suprise me but saddens me doctors have no clue what it’s like being dependent on antidepressants.

Not mentally but, the physically hell it is to come off. It was a miracle I stopped taking them, and you did really well as well, sadly it takes an anal taper or a comfort detox. As weird as that sounds it is true when you suffer from the severe withdrawals that many get from SSRIs or Mirtaz.

Also, some really good points you also made. It reminded me of gratitude.

Gratitude has allowed me to appreciate things so much more and to live slower.

The fast paced consumption, really kills the joy of things, and it makes someone like me get so bored, and then believe there is no point.

You’re clearly a very clever and kind lad, I believe in you getting wherever you wish to be

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

add to the list
-memory recall issues, it is like being in blackout where you confabulate you didn't do stuff because you don't remember it. Takes several weeks to clear off after stopping few weeks habit because it made you feel completely void inside.
-sleep paralysis shit

 

[KurtAurelius]

add to the list
-memory recall issues, it is like being in blackout where you confabulate you didn't do stuff because you don't remember it
-sleep paralysis shit

Yeah if your on about Mirtaz, I’d sleep walk, and apparently would go downstairs to talk to my family but pass out and drool over myself, no memory of it.

I was a fat bastard that time my god, I was drinking on top of it too, and getting those horrendous munchies.

I think I was 85-90kg but with no muscle, when I lost all the fat I was only 63kg so I was a fatty boom boom.

 

[BadBoy377]

Thank you,
Those tiny slithers of mitaz would still knock me out quite severely even while tapering, from my best memory,

It does not suprise me but saddens me doctors have no clue what it’s like being dependent on antidepressants.

Not mentally but, the physically hell it is to come off. It was a miracle I stopped taking them, and you did really well as well, sadly it takes an anal taper or a comfort detox. As weird as that sounds it is true when you suffer from the severe withdrawals that many get from SSRIs or Mirtaz.

Also, some really good points you also made. It reminded me of gratitude.

Gratitude has allowed me to appreciate things so much more and to live slower.

The fast paced consumption, really kills the joy of things, and it makes someone like me get so bored, and then believe there is no point.

You’re clearly a very clever and kind lad, I believe in you getting wherever you wish to be

Thanks, man. Really appreciate that. Back at you.

Sounds like you've achieved a lot in past few years.

Yes, gratitude is important. Stopping to appreciate what you've got, and appreciated it before it's gone.

Have a great day, mate,

BB