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๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ Social ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ Gibberings ver. CCXIX - "what's new, c*nty chops?"

yeah it is just so that I took damn mirtazapine yesterday to get enough sleep early enough to be able to do the shit society is requiring me to do, and as it is everything rendered obsolete and I can not really focus on anything else under this stuff, I am just drunk again...

Mate, I hate mirtazapine. Puts me in a really bad mood when I wake up...
 
I can not make this shit up, I can not make it welding BECAUSE OF FUCKING TRUMP!

So, I speculate that some high suit clowns are getting some provisions for pushing for ice breaker ship deals with USA led by orange nazi, WHICH BY THE WAY DELIVERED FIGHTERS WITHOUT PROPER RADAR SYSTEMS TO FINLAND AND THOSE PLANES SYSTEMS COULD POSSIBLY BE FUCKED OVER REMOTELY ACROSS THE POND, NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS FOR SURE I GUESS

So some people decided that it is fucking great idea to overbook the welding site on my school, because "we need to arrange quick training in shipmaking for a bunch of people" so people are just trying to take any welding block they can get their hands on, and even if I had been welding for a while here and had whole fucking block that says my name there, it no longer means fucking shit. There are a bunch of people running around wondering what the fuck is this shit and how should we deal with it I AM NO FUCKING KIDDING YOU IT IS A FUCKING MESS

FUCK I HATE TRUMP FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT FUCKING ROT AWAY ALREADY! AND FUCKING SLIMY SOCIOPATHS OVER HERE WHO GET A HARD ON OVER ANY AND ALL NEOLIBERALIST BULLSHIT THEY TAKE ON USA!

fuck this shit
You think Alexander Stubb is making extra boats to help Trump with boats incase Finland goes to War with Iran?

Come on you know better than to toss the word "Nazi" out so loose, I am yet to see a place like Mauthausen or Auschwitz-Birkenau linked to MAGA or America, also to be a Nazi you have to be German & a member of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) or National Socialist German Workers' Party.

You show the biggest Disrespect to the unknown millions of people who died, go read what the Sonderkommando or the Krematoriumheizer (crematorium stokers) had to say after the American soldiers set them free.

" Once they had taken off their clothes, the women went into the gas chamber and waited, thinking that they were in a shower. They couldn't know where they really were. Finally, the German bringing the gas would arrive; it took two prisoners from the Sonderkommando to help him lift up the external trapdoor, above the gas chamber; then he introduced Zyklon B through the opening. The lid was made of very heavy cement. The German would never have bothered to lift it up himself, as it needed two of us. Sometimes, it was me, sometimes others. Once the gas had been thrown in, it lasted about 10 to 12 minutes, then finally you couldn't hear anything, not a living soul. When the job of cutting the hair and pulling out the gold teeth had been completed, two people came to take the bodies and to load them onto the hoist that sent them up to the ground floor of the building, and the crematorium ovens. ["Inside the Gas Chambers: Eight Months in the Sonderkommando at Auschwitz", Schlomo Venezia 2007]

"Since then I've never had a normal life. Everything takes me back to the camp. Whatever I do, whatever I see, my mind keeps harking back to the same place. It's as if the 'work' I was forced to do there had never really left my head. Nobody ever really gets out of the crematorium. ["Inside the Gas Chambers: Eight Months in the Sonderkommando at Auschwitz", Schlomo Venezia 2007]
 
@Pissed_and_messed and @F.U.B.A.R. do you find that although mirtazapine does make you sleep the actual quality of sleep is pretty shit irregardless of the length?A bit like being put to sleep with a sledgehammer.

Can't say it put me in a bad mood next day but also not in a good one either. Just feel tired hungover and can't be fucked with anyone or anything. The joy of life was severely blunted and in hindsight this led to the use of other substances to compensate for this.

So kinda counter productive as an antidepressant. A dirty drug that can be used as as a sedative. The palpitations when it was kicking in were pretty unpleasant and the munchies were ridiculous. Way worse than weed.

I see a lot of people get stuck on it too. It took me several attempts to quit it for good but I'm glad I did.
 
@Pissed_and_messed and @F.U.B.A.R. do you find that although mirtazapine does make you sleep the actual quality of sleep is pretty shit irregardless of the length?A bit like being put to sleep with a sledgehammer.

Can't say it put me in a bad mood next day but also not in a good one either. Just feel tired hungover and can't be fucked with anyone or anything. The joy of life was severely blunted and in hindsight this led to the use of other substances to compensate for this.

So kinda counter productive as an antidepressant. A dirty drug that can be used as as a sedative. The palpitations when it was kicking in were pretty unpleasant and the munchies were ridiculous. Way worse than weed.

I see a lot of people get stuck on it too. It took me several attempts to quit it for good but I'm glad I did.

Absolutely mate. It's not a refreshing sleep at all. In fact, I wake up even more tired and groggy than I was before.

The missus made the mistake of waking me up when I was in the depths of a mirtazapine induced coma once.

That was the closest I've ever been to commiting domestic violence...
 
You think Alexander Stubb is making extra boats to help Trump with boats incase Finland goes to War with Iran?

Come on you know better than to toss the word "Nazi" out so loose, I am yet to see a place like Mauthausen or Auschwitz-Birkenau linked to MAGA or America, also to be a Nazi you have to be German & a member of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) or National Socialist German Workers' Party.

You show the biggest Disrespect to the unknown millions of people who died, go read what the Sonderkommando or the Krematoriumheizer (crematorium stokers) had to say after the American soldiers set them free.

" Once they had taken off their clothes, the women went into the gas chamber and waited, thinking that they were in a shower. They couldn't know where they really were. Finally, the German bringing the gas would arrive; it took two prisoners from the Sonderkommando to help him lift up the external trapdoor, above the gas chamber; then he introduced Zyklon B through the opening. The lid was made of very heavy cement. The German would never have bothered to lift it up himself, as it needed two of us. Sometimes, it was me, sometimes others. Once the gas had been thrown in, it lasted about 10 to 12 minutes, then finally you couldn't hear anything, not a living soul. When the job of cutting the hair and pulling out the gold teeth had been completed, two people came to take the bodies and to load them onto the hoist that sent them up to the ground floor of the building, and the crematorium ovens. ["Inside the Gas Chambers: Eight Months in the Sonderkommando at Auschwitz", Schlomo Venezia 2007]

"Since then I've never had a normal life. Everything takes me back to the camp. Whatever I do, whatever I see, my mind keeps harking back to the same place. It's as if the 'work' I was forced to do there had never really left my head. Nobody ever really gets out of the crematorium. ["Inside the Gas Chambers: Eight Months in the Sonderkommando at Auschwitz", Schlomo Venezia 2007]
ok yeah whatever, you define your own reality, I don't care.
 
@Pissed_and_messed and @F.U.B.A.R. do you find that although mirtazapine does make you sleep the actual quality of sleep is pretty shit irregardless of the length?A bit like being put to sleep with a sledgehammer.

Can't say it put me in a bad mood next day but also not in a good one either. Just feel tired hungover and can't be fucked with anyone or anything. The joy of life was severely blunted and in hindsight this led to the use of other substances to compensate for this.

So kinda counter productive as an antidepressant. A dirty drug that can be used as as a sedative. The palpitations when it was kicking in were pretty unpleasant and the munchies were ridiculous. Way worse than weed.

I see a lot of people get stuck on it too. It took me several attempts to quit it for good but I'm glad I did.
"and the munchies were ridiculous. Way worse than weed."

From Google - Mirtazapine (Remeron) is an antidepressant commonly associated with sedation, significant weight gain, and increased appetite.

Sounds like one of the side effects you get from pregabalin, Google said it's an antidepressant but also listed "Suicidal Thoughts/Behaviors: Increased risk, especially in young adults." as another common side effect!!!!!!

You are 100% correct when you said "A bit like being put to sleep with a sledgehammer." I have noticed this with several Benzo type drugs & also other antidepressant type drugs. i swear this is yet more evidence the people in power who make laws would prefer people to be in Jail for growing weed that is very heavy with CBD or lock you up if you had a bar (9 bar) of Hash made in Mazar-i-Sharif to help with stress & lack of sleep & want you to have loads of weird drugs made by Astrazeneca or Moderna.
 
ok yeah whatever, you define your own reality, I don't care.
When it comes to using the word "Nazi" that old Subjective VS Objective doesn't cut it.
Give me 2 examples where Donald Trump, anyone linked to MAGA or The The Republican Party have committed War Crimes or had a warrant for their arrest issued from The ICC or Interpol?

Anyone who is from Finland is on very shaky ground to begin with when they use the word "Nazi" to begin with, those of us on here who know the history of Europe over the last 100 years will be very aware what Finland did during WW2.
 
Most antidepressants and antipsychotics increase the risk of suicide ideation in the first couple of months, but hey, if you top yourself it's one less person to treat on the NHS. I despise them, they're ineffective more than they're effective. And quite frankly if you have to be taking something for several months before it "works" then it's clearly not an effective medication.
 
Anyone who is from Finland is on very shaky ground to begin with when they use the word "Nazi" to begin with, those of us on here who know the history of Europe over the last 100 years will be very aware what Finland did during WW2.
yeah we sided with nazis, but it aint biggie as identity matter for me as anarchist, anyway, because I am not grounding to my own country, it is just one of the many terrorist organizations.
 
oh yeah, I mean...our government is literally bunch of nazis who are devoted to destroying democracy, violating human rights, controlling population, advancing capitalists position WHICH ALSO WAS VERY COMMON FOR HITLER AND HIS ASSOCIATES, NAZISM HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH SOCIALISM, FOR A FACT, JUST LIKE NORTH KOREAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF PEOPLE OR WHATEVER THE FUCK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DEMOCRACY and finding scapegoats. They are associated in photographs to people hailing and there are social media updates of them fantasizing about shooting blacks in trains. They also mocked asians by stretching their eyes in social media updates.

Welfare state is almost obliterated and only thing I consider objectively exceptionally valuable here are woods. Under this government woods are also being chopped down in record pace.

So yeah...fuck the state I am representing. It is fucking revolting. And I am glad to raise this issue because national pride is secondary to resistance.
 
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About mirtazapine.

Not just me then, lads. Wow we finally found something we can all agree on ๐Ÿ˜

@F.U.B.A.R. yeah I've had to get up a couple of times under the influence of mirtazapine and was completely incapable of anything more complicated than stumbling to the toilet for a sit down piss.

And the sleep isn't restorative as it should be. It's been so long since I woke up in the morning and felt rested and ready to go about my day. Not enthusiastic at all. More of coming too and think aww fuck not again. I'd really like to get to a point where I get up feeling happy about the new day. Which is fucking sad really. I hope it will come in time.

I was speaking to a friend recently who said they've finally got to that stage. How? Total sobriety from everything. Sounds drastic. But I might have to give it a go. I'm working towards it. If anyone else has any other suggestions I'm interested. Seriously, I'll try anything. Even total sobriety. But that's not something I can just do overnight. If you know me, you know.

@Zopiclone bandit the munchies on the stuff are way worse than anything I've experienced on Pregabalin. The weight gain has created more problems for me than it solved.

@LoginNotSecure I was genuinely interested to hear your opinion on this. I think you're right. But then what do you think the answer is? Are there any antidepressants that do work from the off?
 
Have got a strip or 2 of Mirtazapine stashed away for potential sleep use but after reading this thread I think I'll just bin them.
Well maybe don't be too hasty.

I don't think taking it on a one off basis is a big deal. Especially if it's just to reset a sleep pattern. It's the cumulative tiredness and emotional blunting. As a last resort maybe? I think benzos or z drugs are better.

I don't like the idea of throwing out any drug ๐Ÿ˜‚

I've even got some antipsychotics in a cupboard somewhere. Because obviously if I end up psychotic I'll have the insight to remember where I put them and go dig around, locate them and take them ๐Ÿ™„๐Ÿคฃ๐Ÿคฃ

I'm such an idiot sometimes.
 
It doesn't give me a downbeat mood on the day after, and it does help with sleep, even long term.

The munchies were horrific during the first few months though. I was constantly ravenous.

I wouldn't just buy bars of chocolates etc, I'd buy family packs of 6 bars, and easily wolf at least 1 whole multi pack as a post dinner 'snack', every single evening. Sometimes even more than that! Maybe even mid afternoon too, I can't fully recall any longer.

Those Aldi versions of Mars bars or Milky Ways was what I went for, big time. Never really been a 'chocoholic' apart from those first few months on Mirtazapine, where the cravings were insane.

I easily gained 3 stone, perhaps even 4.

I was very slim / skinny before mirtazapine. Even more so after having been through a mephedrone phase, followed by MDPV. Those multi-day fasts that are a side effect of potent stimulants, really do cause the weight to fall of ultra-rapidly. I didn't really even have any weight to begin with, at that time though!

15mg is meant to be the most effective dose for helping with sleep, and if you can continue to derive help with sleep from that dose, then the side effects like excessive drowsiness the next day should be minimal. Still makes you constantly ravenous though.

It's taken me a long time to loose that weight, as it does get harder to loose weight and keep it lost as you age. But quitting alcohol, and shifting to eating frozen or chilled grapes as my post dinner snacks, plus having a much more active job, has in the end made it very easy to reverse that weight gain.
 
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