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Trump has told the UK to sort our own oil supply through the strait of Hormuz!

notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
How is it false? Dude has been the same POS for 40 yrs. Yes they did mess up putting Trump there! You sound like a conspiracy nut. How does economics 101 show me, what again, it was rather unclear.


I agree devil worship was involved with the kidfucking that Trump definitely took part in. I am White, Irish by way of corktown USA. (W/e that is worth)

How about we talk about Epstein's death which was clearly not a suicide and orchestrated (Most likely) by the Trump administration.



Yes OBJECTIVELY, ur slow bro (Two way streets)


No? You do sound like a bit of a conspiracy prone fella. I dont know what I believe regarding that day --- other than that guy had to be one horrible shot if the story is as told


Yes they do; it is called science when they do that!

I have no idea what religion has to do with any of this my guy.
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Professor Jiang Had a Good lesson on how governments shape their systematic infrastructure to shape the hearts and minds of a population. It has millions of views on YouTube easy to find.


How did they mess up when the electorally vote him in. Ur falling for the Soap opera. He was elected TWICE. Do I personally think we elected him? Ehhhhh prolly not I wouldn't be surprised tho alot of dummies out here.


I responding to someone else cuz they brought up religion. I called you slow cuz of shit like this 😂😂😂😂


All your claims are feelings have u noticed? I can break down the logistics of why i feel the way I feel it isnt just conspiracy. We are in 2026 the dawn of AI and ur still making fun of the skeptic 😂😂😂

Stop lobbing insults I called u slow once bro now let's get substantive.
No I dont beleive we have the illusion of choice where we can elect A so "trump" from the people by the people because its america and we are free to fuck ourselves. Thats very naive. JFK was assassinated for such frivolous beliefs. The world shows you who it is. The epstein files by nature was a bubbling pot since the 80s to even get Trump in that office not even by theory by him having the connections to politics he wouldn't have if he was just that game show host guy.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
^ Really you want citations of devil worship cults? I would rather not google in that direction so I will say I have no conclusive proof --- pretty sure it is out there but you have effectively touche'd me.

(Idiots believe in god, lots of them *me included* so logically I would think that people believe in the devil -- I am pretty sure there will be some people who just want to diametrically oppose god without going full atheist)

What I do concede is that "Satanism" as defined by levae(Sp) is not the worship of the devil as much as not going with the church. I won't pretend to have a firm grasp on his whole shtick ...



Nope just kind of not relevant to the subject.


There is absolutely rape in the bible -- they also give SLAVERY A BIG THUMBS UP - That has to rub ya wrong (sure as shit does me!). Dont give me that "Bible slavery was only for 7 yrs" or w/e PR spin the vatican through on it most recently.

The Book of Enoch; Have you read it? It was TOO SEXIST FOR THE BIBLE. Speaks volumes.
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pointing to something being present in a text is not the same as proving it is morally endorsed in the simple way you’re implying. A lot of the Old Testament is descriptive of a brutal ancient world, not a clean modern ethics manual.
And the slavery point is way more nuanced than “the Bible gives it a thumbs up.” Ancient Israelite law regulated slavery that already existed in the ancient world; that is not the same thing as defending modern race-based chattel slavery. You can still criticize it morally, but you do not get to flatten all forms of slavery into one thing and act like that settles the argument.
The Book of Enoch point is also weak. “Too sexist for the Bible” is not why books were excluded. Canon was about authority, usage, and theological reception across communities, not one modern insult. And even that book does not prove your conclusion about Christianity or about God
 
mirsNeedsHisItch said:
“Jesus was based on other gods” just a claim unless you can show direct dependence, not just surface similarity. Similarities between religions are not proof of copying. That is a weak leap, not a fact.

Yes, the Old Testament contains violence. That proves the text contains violence. It does not prove Elah or Allah or The most high or the father or Whatever we call him was “just an angry storm god,” and it does not prove Israel’s religion was polytheistic. Mainstream scholarship on early Israel says it was often monolatrous — other gods were acknowledged, but only Yahweh was to be worshipped. That is not the same thing as polytheism. The violence contains judgment narratives,


If you use that logic, then the same criticism can be thrown at Hinduism too:
In Hindu texts and some Hindu ritual traditions, the violent elements critics usually point to are things like large wars, battles, demon-slaying, and animal sacrifice. Britannica describes the Mahabharata as culminating in “great battles” in which the Kauravas are annihilated, and the Ramayana centers on Ravana’s abduction of Sita and his defeat in a major war.
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You evidently understand little about Hinduism. I could address your points but it'd take a while and we're already way off topic. Dark doesn't necessarily equal evil.

As for Jesus, look at Mithras, Dionysus and even Pythagoras for starters. These parallels aren't even denied by many actual scholars within Christianity. Jesus is essentially almost all fabricated from other figures in the ancient world.

Any 'sources' for an actual Jesus are either disputed or debunked. It was an attempt to create a new sun god. That's all I have to say for now. Go and read some non-Christian sources. Josephus doesn't count as it's either interpolated at best, but most possibly fabricated.
 
Re Trump: -- How did who mess up? You said that he was put there on purpose - I thought you meant by someone other than "US voters" when you said that...... To which I tend to agree that he had alot of help in this election. Musk, Downballot irregularities never seen before, giant tech companies taking his side.

I also felt it was kind of implied by you that these people knew exactly what they were doing -- to that I have to buck back and say "Noone wants an unpredictable puppet with too many hands up his ass to ever perform for any of them"

Lets kick the logistics than young one, the word feeling is mostly to not melt snowflakes too quick. I am not making fun of a skeptic; just pointing out blatant inaccuracy.

You called me slow ONCE? Allow me to call you slow again in that case. What other insult did I lob ( I do hate ad hom and if I indulged in it other than that once, my bad )

oooh JFK; Tell me who killed him real quick? Pretty sure I know and would be interested in your response.

We both sound crazy at this point ya know? lol
 
mirsNeedsHisItch said:
pointing to something being present in a text is not the same as proving it is morally endorsed in the simple way you’re implying. A lot of the Old Testament is descriptive of a brutal ancient world, not a clean modern ethics manual.
And the slavery point is way more nuanced than “the Bible gives it a thumbs up.” Ancient Israelite law regulated slavery that already existed in the ancient world; that is not the same thing as defending modern race-based chattel slavery. You can still criticize it morally, but you do not get to flatten all forms of slavery into one thing and act like that settles the argument.
The Book of Enoch point is also weak. “Too sexist for the Bible” is not why books were excluded. Canon was about authority, usage, and theological reception across communities, not one modern insult. And even that book does not prove your conclusion about Christianity or about God
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Sounds like religion touches a nerve with you.

Slavery is NEVER THAT NUANCED -- it is slavery. Obviously wrong so throw some rationalizations/justifications in there!

The bible is completely contradictory at many points and I say that as a faith having catholic. (Ask me for examples I dare you)

The entire bible is incredibly sexist as it was only written by men - do we agree on that?
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
You evidently understand little about Hinduism. I could address your points but it'd take a while and we're already way off topic. Dark doesn't necessarily equal evil.

As for Jesus, look at Mithras, Dionysus and even Pythagoras for starters. These parallels aren't even denied by many actual scholars within Christianity. Jesus is essentially almost all fabricated from other figures in the ancient world.

Any 'sources' for an actual Jesus are either disputed or debunked. It was an attempt to create a new sun god. That's all I have to say for now. Go and read some non-Christian sources. Josephus doesn't count as it's either interpolated at best, but most possibly fabricated.
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You’re stacking a few broad similarities and treating them like proof of direct copying, but that is not how history works. Mithraism is not a clean source for Jesus: the Roman form of Mithras is a 2nd–3rd century CE cult, and Britannica even says Roman Mithraism was “practically a new creation” around c. 100 CE. Dionysus is an ancient Greco-Roman nature and wine god with Mycenaean roots, so vague “death/rebirth” or “light” language is not evidence that Jesus was fabricated from him. And the “Jesus was invented / probably never existed” claim is simply not the mainstream historical position. Britannica says the non-Christian references in Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Talmudic texts “refute the unsubstantiated notion that Jesus might never have existed. I've studied plenty religions and history itself. Im a drug addict duh
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Sounds like religion touches a nerve with you.

Slavery is NEVER THAT NUANCED -- it is slavery. Obviously wrong so throw some rationalizations/justifications in there!

The bible is completely contradictory at many points and I say that as a faith having catholic. (Ask me for examples I dare you)

The entire bible is incredibly sexist as it was only written by men - do we agree on that?
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You’re mixing moral outrage with bad argumentation.

“Slavery is wrong” is a moral conclusion most people already agree with today. The question is not whether slavery is evil; the question is whether the Bible’s texts are describing, regulating, or endorsing the same thing in every case. Those are not identical, and pretending they are is dishonest. If you want to argue the Bible is morally flawed, make that case directly instead of collapsing every ancient text about slavery into the same modern category.

On the “contradictory” claim: saying “the Bible contradicts itself” is usually code for “I have a list of verses I think conflict, but I have not dealt with context, genre, translation, or historical setting.” That is not a knockout argument. A lot of alleged contradictions vanish once you stop reading poetry, law, proverb, and narrative as if they are all the same kind of writing.

And yes, the Bible was written in patriarchal cultures by men, but “written by men” is not the same as “therefore it only reflects male bias and nothing else.” That would be like dismissing every ancient source ever written. Women are not absent from the Bible either; they are repeatedly central to the story in ways that were unusual for the time.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Re Trump: -- How did who mess up? You said that he was put there on purpose - I thought you meant by someone other than "US voters" when you said that...... To which I tend to agree that he had alot of help in this election. Musk, Downballot irregularities never seen before, giant tech companies taking his side.

I also felt it was kind of implied by you that these people knew exactly what they were doing -- to that I have to buck back and say "Noone wants an unpredictable puppet with too many hands up his ass to ever perform for any of them"

Lets kick the logistics than young one, the word feeling is mostly to not melt snowflakes too quick. I am not making fun of a skeptic; just pointing out blatant inaccuracy.

You called me slow ONCE? Allow me to call you slow again in that case. What other insult did I lob ( I do hate ad hom and if I indulged in it other than that once, my bad )

oooh JFK; Tell me who killed him real quick? Pretty sure I know and would be interested in your response.

We both sound crazy at this point ya know? lol
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Yes I am young Early 20's. Still alot 2 learn. Atleast we didnt bend over for every president like yall boomers 😁😁😁


You’re misunderstanding what I meant. When I said “on purpose,” I wasn’t talking about some secret group overriding voters or installing a puppet. I’m talking about how modern elections are heavily shaped by systems of influence — media narratives, algorithm boosts, billionaire funding, and platform control — that can steer what people see and how they think.
That’s not the same as “control” or a coordinated takeover. It’s overlapping incentives, not a single conspiracy. Different powerful actors don’t need to be working together to still push the same direction of influence.
So when you reduce it to “someone put him there instead of voters,” that’s not what I said and not what I mean. I’m talking about structural influence, not replacing democracy.example, U.S. elections involve massive spending and lobbying: the 2024 cycle alone had over $15 billion in federal election spending
 
Ladies, gentlemen, friends and beloveds - You know where the ignore button is.

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"
-Mark Twain

Or, for all you of faith, Poverbs 26:4
 
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mirsNeedsHisItch said:
You’re stacking a few broad similarities and treating them like proof of direct copying, but that is not how history works. Mithraism is not a clean source for Jesus: the Roman form of Mithras is a 2nd–3rd century CE cult, and Britannica even says Roman Mithraism was “practically a new creation” around c. 100 CE. Dionysus is an ancient Greco-Roman nature and wine god with Mycenaean roots, so vague “death/rebirth” or “light” language is not evidence that Jesus was fabricated from him. And the “Jesus was invented / probably never existed” claim is simply not the mainstream historical position. Britannica says the non-Christian references in Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Talmudic texts “refute the unsubstantiated notion that Jesus might never have existed. I've studied plenty religions and history itself. Im a drug addict duh
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Roman Mithraism was contemporaneous with the gospels. Unless you actually believe they were written by actual eyewitnesses, in which case there are even more questions.

Even Christian apologists say Josephus has at least been interpolated by Christians. I already mentioned that. As for Tacitus it's a passing mention. Dig a bit deeper than Wikipedia and Google AI, both of which push the Christian agenda.

Why do we not have credible historical accounts of this Jewish zombie performing miraculous feats?

Anyway, it's clear you don't want to apply critical thinking and that 'faith' means a lot to you, so we're done. I don't do 'faith'.
 
4DQSAR said:
Ladies, gentlmen, friends and beloveds - You know where the ignore button is.

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"
-Mark Twain

Or, for all you of faith, Poverbs 26:4
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1 person said Jesus was a fabricated sun god and the other said The Bible is a sexist patriarchal reinforcement of religion. And you use a Bible verse to refute Me or them 😂😂😂😂They dont respect that homie
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Roman Mithraism was contemporaneous with the gospels. Unless you actually believe they were written by actual eyewitnesses, in which case there are even more questions.

Even Christian apologists say Josephus has at least been interpolated by Christians. I already mentioned that. As for Tacitus it's a passing mention. Dig a bit deeper than Wikipedia and Google AI, both of which push the Christian agenda.

Why do we not have credible historical accounts of this Jewish zombie performing miraculous feats?

Anyway, it's clear you don't want to apply critical thinking and that 'faith' means a lot to you, so we're done. I don't do 'faith'.
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Mithraism isn’t solid evidence for copying Christianity bro LMAOOO like what

most of the claimed parallels come from later Roman Mithraism (2nd–4th century) and modern reconstructions, not early sources. The earliest Christian writings (Paul’s letters) are within decades of Jesus, not centuries later. So wtf are u talkn abt?????????

Josephus is debated, but scholars generally agree the core reference to Jesus is authentic with later Christian edits, not fully fake. Tacitus is also widely accepted as an independent Roman reference to Christ’s execution under Pilate.
So it’s not “no evidence / all fake,” it’s limited but real external references + debated wording, which is normal in ancient history and ancient civilizations.
“Wikipedia/AI push a Christian agenda” isn’t evidence it’s just a claim without proof. This is common knowledge brother
Historians don’t use faith they weigh sources and probability, not assume everything is either perfect or fake. If I have faith your obviously faithful against it 😄
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Roman Mithraism was contemporaneous with the gospels. Unless you actually believe they were written by actual eyewitnesses, in which case there are even more questions.

Even Christian apologists say Josephus has at least been interpolated by Christians. I already mentioned that. As for Tacitus it's a passing mention. Dig a bit deeper than Wikipedia and Google AI, both of which push the Christian agenda.

Why do we not have credible historical accounts of this Jewish zombie performing miraculous feats?

Anyway, it's clear you don't want to apply critical thinking and that 'faith' means a lot to you, so we're done. I don't do 'faith'.
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Josephus is exactly where I hit the wall with a religious historian on whether there was actual proof of the existence of Jesus.

If it was indeed interpolated (FORGED) as highly suggested, wikipedia says most scholars agree it was forged, and josephus had admittedly done some interpolation for the church in the past..... But I digress we are indeed way off topic
 
If you don't use IGNORE, you have to read EVERYTHING that the cupboard-headed cumberworld who is nothing but a slubberdegullion of the highest order & a whiffle-whaffle whose mere presence constitutes a butter upon bacon waste of space and time chooses to protabulatate!
 
Wow - ignoring that idiot DOES make the thread look funny. Like people are arguing with themselves. I would go back and delete all of your posts in disuptation with that one idiot.

Life is too short to waste on trolls. A kid living in his parents celler who painted his bedroom black because... because it's 'cool' and not a desperate incel venting whatsoever.
 
Makes me laugh when americans think they're irish or scottish coz some distant relative moved from ireland or scotland and now they're irish or scottish too. Nah pal, you're an american, don't make it you're whole identity, it's embarrassing and cringe to the fullest.
 
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