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Stimulants Meth potency and effects on user's behavior.

This thread is very funny. Full of loads of stuff that’s antithetical to the purpose of Bluelight itself.

Pure meth is pure meth, regardless of how it’s produced. The end product is ITS OWN MOLECULE. There’s no remnant of pseudoephedrine, nor the lack thereof.

A very important point to keep in mind is that pseudo-based cooks at large scale haven’t existed for quite a long time.

Many dealers and users took to calling anything good “pseudo”. In reality, it’s just high quality meth.

And it’s not the DEA alone claiming these figures for modern meth. It’s every independent lab out there, and every user that actually knows what’s what.

Better D-meth has never been more readily available. And it is absolutely produced by superlabs, and it is absolutely real.
 
Ok. Old school cooks using pseudo/ephedrine produce purely D-Isomer meth.

Most now is made with the P2P. It produces a racemic compound of both D and L isomers.

Tartric acid can rotate the isomer from L to D

Set up a polarization set up and you can see which way the light bends indicating the isomer.
 
Helpmeescapethis said:
This thread is very funny. Full of loads of stuff that’s antithetical to the purpose of Bluelight itself.

Pure meth is pure meth, regardless of how it’s produced. The end product is ITS OWN MOLECULE. There’s no remnant of pseudoephedrine, nor the lack thereof.

A very important point to keep in mind is that pseudo-based cooks at large scale haven’t existed for quite a long time.

Many dealers and users took to calling anything good “pseudo”. In reality, it’s just high quality meth.

And it’s not the DEA alone claiming these figures for modern meth. It’s every independent lab out there, and every user that actually knows what’s what.

Better D-meth has never been more readily available. And it is absolutely produced by superlabs, and it is absolutely real.
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Lol fully agree, I hate the amount of pseudo-science (no pun intended) that has become rampant on drug forums the past few years. It mostly stems from people having no knowledge in chemistry or pharmacology, and honestly to a degree what can we expect from the typical drug user?

But it pisses me off everytime as well when people say ”ohhh X-drug is not like it used to be because x and y and z reason” like when people say modern MDMA lacks the magic because its not extracted and synthesized from sassafrass anymore. What?? MDMA is literally purer, stronger and better now than ever, especially now that the huge RC wave that came in the early 2000s has died down and we have genuine actual MDMA easily available on pretty much every continent.
 
SoCalShordie said:
Crazy. I wonder why I never experienced that.
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This is we're get crazy I start seeing people around me that cant see with my own eyes I start seeing people and they show themselves. If I focus on the boooty tooo long I can see you without my eyes similar effect that happens with dmt
 
TheLightBringer said:
Lol fully agree, I hate the amount of pseudo-science (no pun intended) that has become rampant on drug forums the past few years. It mostly stems from people having no knowledge in chemistry or pharmacology, and honestly to a degree what can we expect from the typical drug user?

But it pisses me off everytime as well when people say ”ohhh X-drug is not like it used to be because x and y and z reason” like when people say modern MDMA lacks the magic because its not extracted and synthesized from sassafrass anymore. What?? MDMA is literally purer, stronger and better now than ever, especially now that the huge RC wave that came in the early 2000s has died down and we have genuine actual MDMA easily available on pretty much every continent.
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Ehh your stuck on that on that Reddit brain rot. It pisses you off because you know theres something beyond. MDMA thats comes from natural plant will always have stronger effect. It goes beyond isomers

Pseudo science bullshit i bet you think Iran are the bad guys. Take your reddit brain/ liberal brain rot and up your ass thats why your stuck. Pseudosciemc my ass the the whole goal of science is too ask questions when you can no longer ask questions its no longer science and corrupted by the he/we liberal nazis. Theres barely any alternative thinking on this fourmn i think im first person to mention this stuff.
 
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fuckabout89 said:
Ehh your stuck on that on that Reddit brain rot. It pisses you off because you know theres something beyond. MDMA thats comes from natural plant will always have stronger effect. It goes beyond isomers

Pseudo science bullshit i bet you think Iran are the bad guys. Take your reddit brain/ liberal brain rot and up your ass thats why your stuck. Pseudosciemc my ass the the whole goal of science is too ask questions when you can no longer ask questions its no longer science and corrupted by the he/we liberal nazis. Theres barely any alternative thinking on this fourmn i think im first person to mention this stuff.
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Typical strawman instead of being respectful and constructive. Youre quite literally the type of poster Im talking about, I know youre trying to ragebait but its unfortunate you lack comprehension and think there is anything beyond stereochemistry or the molecule itself. MDMA is MDMA

You claimed earlier that meth threw you into psychosis and you think whats going on is beyond isomers. Then ive got news for you, you didnt discover a new form of meth or MDMA, you discovered what substance induced psychosis feels like and it changed your belief through delusions and brain damage.
 
SoCalShordie said:
When I was using meth, I never had any psychosis. Never saw shadow people, things like that. I wonder why it affects most people in that way.
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Purely sleep deprivation is my opinion. Obviously some tie ins with elevated dopamine but unless already psychotic, it’s the sleep deprivation that causes the hallucinations.

The stimulant is only making it easier to become sleep deprived
 
Yeah I agree ^. Dopamine does add to it which is why antipsychotic medications mostly reduce dopamine in different ways.

Regarding the debate, yes meth is a molecule that doesn't change. And yes batches can be different. Seems like a (mostly) friendly jest but please cut out the personal attacks.
 
Alright you guys clearly don't care. Had to remove the last two posts. This thread is temporarily locked.
 
xXTheGrimOneXx said:
learning to wash and recrystallize for purity is paramount. Reduce the cuts like msm, caffeine, and the other shit.

The cartel still uses the P2P synth. They resolved the L isomer to D isomer through tartric acid.

Only ephedrine/psuedoephedrine produces pure D isomer meth.
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I know how to wash. How do you recrystalize?
 
Helpmeescapethis said:
This thread is very funny. Full of loads of stuff that’s antithetical to the purpose of Bluelight itself.

Pure meth is pure meth, regardless of how it’s produced. The end product is ITS OWN MOLECULE. There’s no remnant of pseudoephedrine, nor the lack thereof.

A very important point to keep in mind is that pseudo-based cooks at large scale haven’t existed for quite a long time.

Many dealers and users took to calling anything good “pseudo”. In reality, it’s just high quality meth.

And it’s not the DEA alone claiming these figures for modern meth. It’s every independent lab out there, and every user that actually knows what’s what.

Better D-meth has never been more readily available. And it is absolutely produced by superlabs, and it is absolutely real.
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Its really NOT that simple, if only it was!

What a 'meth molecule' is and what you are buying as 'meth' are two different things. But for example, meth made from psuedo vs new meth made with I don't even know - they both test for meth when sent to a lab but there is a stark difference between the two. Same for mehdma. You test it, send it to a lab and test it - all comes back as mdma. But it isn't 'real' mdma that gives full effect.

So no, its more like cake.

You might like cake. You might like chocolate cake. And when you buy the chocolate cake from the cake shop you regularly buy from, you know what you are getting you know the flavor, texture, colour. But you can buy a chocolate cake from another shop - same ingredients even, or 'same', as in they use finer sugar than the other place, maybe they use a different cocoa, maybe they bake it longer or shorter, or in a different shaped tin. Its all 'chocolate cake' but they aren't the same. Meth and other drugs are basically like this but its even worse - they aren't using the same ingredients and having slightly different ratios, bake times and tin sizes - they are using completely different ingredients. Still tastes, looks like, and feels like chocolate cake but its not quite the same.

The only time I did pseudo meth was from someone who was a veteran user and had personal connections. He didn't explicitly say its made in a local lab but he said it aint that cartel shit and it did have much more drastic effects. Besides I've consumed tested 90%+ meth(cant remember exact but over 90%) and no.. its not that. If that was true you could just smoke more and have the same effect bro. If 'meth was meth' then doing a 0.1g hit of 95%+/psuedo meth should be the same as doing a 0.2g hit of crappy 50%. But it doesn't work like that at all.

This is such a poorly studied/understood thing. But many people on this site and elsewhere have made good progress. Its all about 'enantiomers'.
 
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SoCalShordie said:
When I was using meth, I never had any psychosis. Never saw shadow people, things like that. I wonder why it affects most people in that way.
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If you were to take reasonably pure d isomer methamphetamine, 150mg orally, intravenously or insulfated, with no tolerance (one month no TAAR1 release), it’s highly likely you would end up hearing voices and/or having an extreme panic/anxiety attack. This is generally referred to psychosis. It results from excess signally pf dopamine and its activation propagating to areas of the brain it’s not meant to.

Especially if you have not prepared tranquillisers when the over stimulation syndrome begins.

Excitotoxicity will also cause significant damage to neurons without antioxidant treatment. It will also dramatically speed up the over expression of dopamine receptors in those areas, which will make you want to take more soon after you recover…

I’ve never seen it happen, but then again, I’ve never really seen someone take that much in one go with no tolerance and no calming drugs available.

The highest single dose I have read about of high purity d-methamphetamine is 50mg orally in Sasha Shulgins pharmacology notebook.

Very High (100mg+) doses of methamphetamine are a one way road through the circles of hell… buckle up.
 
Leprechaun said:
If you were to take reasonably pure d isomer methamphetamine, 150mg orally, intravenously or insulfated, with no tolerance (one month no TAAR1 release), it’s highly likely you would end up hearing voices and/or having an extreme panic/anxiety attack. This is generally referred to psychosis. It results from excess signally pf dopamine and its activation propagating to areas of the brain it’s not meant to.

Especially if you have not prepared tranquillisers when the over stimulation syndrome begins.

Excitotoxicity will also cause significant damage to neurons without antioxidant treatment. It will also dramatically speed up the over expression of dopamine receptors in those areas, which will make you want to take more soon after you recover…

I’ve never seen it happen, but then again, I’ve never really seen someone take that much in one go with no tolerance and no calming drugs available.

The highest single dose I have read about of high purity d-methamphetamine is 50mg orally in Sasha Shulgins pharmacology notebook.

Very High (100mg+) doses of methamphetamine are a one way road through the circles of hell… buckle up.
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Well damn, where tf do yall be getting this kinda dope?! I’m from Southern California, and I only ever smoked it in a bong. I stopped using a few years back. Never did IV meth. Never had an urge to try it. IV heroin, another story.
 
The meth nowadays is just as good as the same stuff years ago. The problem is we develop a tolerance over time and we always think back to when we first started using which was years ago thinking it was more purer back then when all reality it's just as pure as it was before. Try taking a break from meth and not doing it for a long time I promise the littlest amount will have you awake for days
 
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