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Stimulants Meth potency and effects on user's behavior.

tj7

tj7

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The D.E.A. reports that methamphetamine entering the U.S. from Mexico currently has the highest levels of purity ever documented and is the most potent ever according to the high percentage of the D isomer it contains. I've been using this substance since 1989 so I feel somewhat like an expert on the effects it gives. One thing that has me puzzled is that you don't hear of people staying up for 2 or 3 weeks anymore peeking out their windows or obsessively cleaning house or going a week without even a single bite of food. Hell, I couldn't eat while on it until about 2005 or so. Before ice flooded Texas around 1999, street samples of meth were as low as 25% purity yet still fully capable of causing this behavior, which it most certainly did. What could possibly explain this?
 
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tj7 said:
The D.E.A. reports that methamphetamine entering the U.S. from Mexico currently has the highest levels of purity ever documented and is the most potent ever according to the high percentage of the D isomer it contains. I've been using this substance since 1989 so I feel somewhat like an expert on the effects it gives. One thing that has me puzzled is that you don't hear of people staying up for 2 or 3 weeks anymore peeking out their windows or obsessively cleaning house or going a week without even a single bite of food. Hell, I couldn't eat while on it until about 2005 or so. Before ice flooded Texas around 1999, street samples of meth were as low as 25% purity yet still fully capable of causing this behavior, which it most certainly did. What could possibly explain this?
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Yeah I've been thinking about this. I've heard many people here with similar experiences as you. I only know east coast USA since 2018, which was a crap shoot, even onions were a crap shoot IMO.

I've heard several possible things: ephedrine being used earlier, different synth methods, MSM or other additives.

I've heard people say they did a point of a gram and stayed up 24 hours in the 20th century. Personally I was lucky to stay up 2 or 3 days in a row by redoing multiple times a day in 2018-2021. But I had a coworker who had a different plug and was up for a week.. idk. And I never got the paranoia. Could usually sleep and eat on night number 2.

I've heard about the "super meth" too from Mexico.. I don't know. Id be interested to hear from someone in the Texas / Arizona / SoCal area about recent trends. I don't care what law enforcement thinks (about the statistics on this super meth).

Also, I heard home made shake and bake is pretty damn good compared to the 2000s and again my assumption is because simple synthesis and nothing added?


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Personally I just think the old school reduction with psuedo/red phosphorus/iodine just happens to result in a better product. Especially with a couple acetone washes. But I've probably said enough.

Yeah, a point would keep you up at least 24 hours. Also easy to take excessive doses when high with a decent pile lying around.. Smoking it is especially pleasurable.

Yum, good times...
 
At a single oral dose of 30mg, generally 95% up
Purity will result in a very sympathomimetic effect lasting around 24 hours.

If you take it in the afternoon, it’s unlikely you will sleep.

The effect is very much like that of being exhilarated and pushed.

Not a very nice feeling. But it does trigger the learning response and is habit forming.

You get tolerance built up quite quickly. I read that was common to see people inject 500mg and fall asleep a few hours later in heavy users.

I think tolerance develops within about 4 days of chronic use, at which point you need to bump up the dose to get the same effect.

They were handing this out in the 50s and 60s for mild to moderate depression as brand names methedrine.
 
tj7 said:
The D.E.A. reports that methamphetamine entering the U.S. from Mexico currently has the highest levels of purity ever documented and is the most potent ever according to the high percentage of the D isomer it contains. I've been using this substance since 1989 so I feel somewhat like an expert on the effects it gives. One thing that has me puzzled is that you don't hear of people staying up for 2 or 3 weeks anymore peeking out their windows or obsessively cleaning house or going a week without even a single bite of food. Hell, I couldn't eat while on it until about 2005 or so. Before ice flooded Texas around 1999, street samples of meth were as low as 25% purity yet still fully capable of causing this behavior, which it most certainly did. What could possibly explain this?
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I’m also quite curious about this. I was never big into stims but have done my fair share of meth. In the last 15 years or so I’ve literally only had one batch that was the balls to the wall stimulation that I hear about in the legendary tales of “the old school meth” all of the other stuff is just lacking even though it’s so pure. It makes no sense because like you said it’s so pure with the D isomer being so prominent. I hear stories of the “biker speed” and p2p which just sounds way dirtier but also way better? I’m lost
 
PenguinWithNapalm said:
I’m also quite curious about this. I was never big into stims but have done my fair share of meth. In the last 15 years or so I’ve literally only had one batch that was the balls to the wall stimulation that I hear about in the legendary tales of “the old school meth” all of the other stuff is just lacking even though it’s so pure. It makes no sense because like you said it’s so pure with the D isomer being so prominent. I hear stories of the “biker speed” and p2p which just sounds way dirtier but also way better? I’m lost
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You can take the same stimulant one day and feel great. You can take it another and feel anxiety and dread.

Your existing mindset and perception still plays a role on the effects. Less so than something like LSD or psychedelics, but the impact of set and setting on any altered state is immense.
 
tj7 said:
The D.E.A. reports that methamphetamine entering the U.S. from Mexico currently has the highest levels of purity ever documented and is the most potent ever according to the high percentage of the D isomer it contains. I've been using this substance since 1989 so I feel somewhat like an expert on the effects it gives. One thing that has me puzzled is that you don't hear of people staying up for 2 or 3 weeks anymore peeking out their windows or obsessively cleaning house or going a week without even a single bite of food. Hell, I couldn't eat while on it until about 2005 or so. Before ice flooded Texas around 1999, street samples of meth were as low as 25% purity yet still fully capable of causing this behavior, which it most certainly did. What could possibly explain this?
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Please provide the DEA statistics for each year showing that the meth they seized is d-meth and not racemic
 
tj7 said:
Here's a D.E.A. report from 2023 that has stats for that and previous years back to 2021 but there are older reports that go back much further you can find with a simple Google search.
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2025-09/CY 2023 Methamphetamine Annual Report PRB 2024-35.pdf
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1 Maybe I am missing it but I can't find where they provide the actual statistics on the potency of the meth seized like like it does with purity instead they just assert it. So that's not really evidence for those 3 years let alone for every year like people claim. Since you were the one making the claim the burden of proof is on you to provide those supposed reports.

2 This isn't evidence that the crystal meth from 2024-2025 is d-meth and not racemic meth, is high purity and not heavily cut with other substances, since this is when I and other people will claim that the quality went servely down hill and the meth nowadays doesn't give the effects of legitimate d-meth and racemic meth.
 
learning to wash and recrystallize for purity is paramount. Reduce the cuts like msm, caffeine, and the other shit.

The cartel still uses the P2P synth. They resolved the L isomer to D isomer through tartric acid.

Only ephedrine/psuedoephedrine produces pure D isomer meth.
 
BadBoy377 said:
HI/RedP ftw
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Have fun finding a good source of pseudo or ephedrine. You can only legally get 9g a month in the states. So you’d need a lot of people buying.

Then iodine has to be sourced from tincture, red phosphorus is on watch list.

While it is the pure D isomer production method. It’s not sustainable or able to be done in large scale.
 
streaM Freak said:
Yeah I've been thinking about this. I've heard many people here with similar experiences as you. I only know east coast USA since 2018, which was a crap shoot, even onions were a crap shoot IMO.

I've heard several possible things: ephedrine being used earlier, different synth methods, and fuck I forget the name it's not MSG but I think it has an M in it and people say when mixed with meth it makes it more lethargic - a more recent additive.

I've heard people say they did a point of a gram and stayed up 24 hours in the 20th century. Personally I was lucky to stay up 2 or 3 days in a row by redoing multiple times a day in 2018-2021. But I had a coworker who had a different plug and was up for a week.. idk. And I never got the paranoia. Could usually sleep and eat on night number 2.

I've heard about the "super meth" too from Mexico.. I don't know. Id be interested to hear from someone in the Texas / Arizona / SoCal area about recent trends. I don't care what law enforcement thinks.

Also, I heard home made shake and bake is pretty damn good compared to the 2000s and again my assumption is because simple synthesis and nothing added?
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Shake and bake is a birch reduction with lithium.

Is made with pseudo or plain ephedrine. So it produces purely D isomer meth.

It’s just dirty. Takes a lot to clean up, and it’s likely to blow up.

The cartel uses tartric acid to rotate the isomers and up purity. The synth they use produces racemic meth containing both D and L isomers.
 
tj7 said:
The D.E.A. reports that methamphetamine entering the U.S. from Mexico currently has the highest levels of purity ever documented and is the most potent ever according to the high percentage of the D isomer it contains. I've been using this substance since 1989 so I feel somewhat like an expert on the effects it gives. One thing that has me puzzled is that you don't hear of people staying up for 2 or 3 weeks anymore peeking out their windows or obsessively cleaning house or going a week without even a single bite of food. Hell, I couldn't eat while on it until about 2005 or so. Before ice flooded Texas around 1999, street samples of meth were as low as 25% purity yet still fully capable of causing this behavior, which it most certainly did. What could possibly explain this?
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Its crystal meth its gotta be very pure to crystallize but it dose have a shelf life the.older it is the weaker it will be n the fresh shit best dope I ever did was still a little wet blasted me to the moon
 
BadBoy377 said:
Personally I just think the old school reduction with psuedo/red phosphorus/iodine just happens to result in a better product. Especially with a couple acetone washes. But I've probably said enough.

Yeah, a point would keep you up at least 24 hours. Also easy to take excessive doses when high with a decent pile lying around.. Smoking it is especially pleasurable.

Yum, good times...
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I think theres something going on thats outside the mainstream view in science venturing into more esoteric ideas. Yes I can confirm pseudo made meth out does the shit on the street. I did it couple years ago and it threw me instant psychosis and God was it good. Not to say you cant find good stuff you can but its like weed and varies in quality.

I think whats going on is beyond isomers.
 
fuckabout89 said:
I think theres something going on thats outside the mainstream view in science venturing into more esoteric ideas. Yes I can confirm pseudo made meth out does the shit on the street. I did it couple years ago and it threw me instant psychosis and God was it good. Not to say you cant find good stuff you can but its like weed and varies in quality.

I think whats going on is beyond isomers.
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I agree 1000% and would love to hear your theory. Feel free to message me.
 
You guys just developed a tolerance. First time i did speed (as in d-amph) i took 2 pressed pills and i could'nt sleep for 2 days. First time i did meth i was at the point that 5 speeds at night were enough to keep me awake the whole night if i forced myself awake and when i tried meth i took one puff at noon and it got me to stay awake for the whole night.
 
N0ph0n0 said:
You guys just developed a tolerance. First time i did speed (as in d-amph) i took 2 pressed pills and i could'nt sleep for 2 days. First time i did meth i was at the point that 5 speeds at night were enough to keep me awake the whole night if i forced myself awake and when i tried meth i took one puff at noon and it got me to stay awake for the whole night.
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No I didnt, theres a clear difference between pseudo dope and street dope. The fact that I took street dope and went through bag in week and I got pseudo dope I could only take small skunks and get fucked up for 7 week tells me theres a clear difference. That was a week before I tried pseudo dope for the first time very clear difference, I never been stimulant psychosis so bad ill never forget that week.
 
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