IS it me or is dispensary cannabis not the same as home grown cannabis?

[foodcrisis]

say it again, most home grown is not as good as dispensary weed. i have smoked several people's home grown and done my own. shit is weak. tastes fine. looks good, but it's always weak probably because they use stronger lighting than most people use for their home grown set up.... i've grown outdoor weed at about 20% thca comparing to good indoor dispensary weed, but indoor home grown has always been a flop from everyone i knew, and i don't believe any of ya'll saying they have great home grown are growing stuff better than the dispensary. grow some home grown 30%+ thca weed with amazing terps. you won't. all the pictures i've seen of indoor homegrown on the net all looks exactly like what i grew under LED and 400watt HPS. i used all the right amounts of different types of fertilizer too in different experiments, most of my friends that grew home grown put a lot of time into what they did too.

also some brands from the dispensary claiming to be 30% thca won't even get me high and taste terrible, so what i'm saying about percentages might be off. i'm just comparing from what i know.... there is just something about good dispensary weed or black market weed that isn't the same as just grown in a closet or small tent weed...

i'm telling you, this is not a problem with me growing. my outdoors were fire. the sun is better than most small grow lighting or just some factor makes stuff not as good.


EDIT: if someone tells me proper ventilation more than a fan in an open area isn't enough ventilation for a grow, maybe i will accept that makes a grow better, but i don't think it really matters too much.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

The difference compared to old homegrown is dispensary weed has been selected over the years to maximize yields. Most of the stuff is GMOed by this point. It's like the difference between the corn being grown in fields all over America today compared to corn from 50 years ago. Most of the natural seed stock is long gone.

Dispensary weed was selected to maximize yields, maximize THC content and bred to be resistant to pests above all else. They're not yanking up males. They aren't starting from seed stock most of the time. They're using clones at massive scales, dumping all matter of pesticides in the soil and on the plants themselves and growing the stuff as fast as possible.

I'm also a big believer in the whole plants differ based on their environment and interactions with animals thing. It's like the difference between a chicken that could run around in the sun eating grasshoppers vs. one that sat in a cage its entire life being fed low grade chicken feed to fatten it up as fast as possible. The first chicken is always going to provide better tasting eggs and meat.

I like homegrown better even if it isn't as strong THC wise and doesn't taste as good (greeny/leafy). It isn't like dispensary weed where I get a choice between something that might as well be LSD or something weak that smells and tastes nice. Instead you get a good THC/CBD ratio and the taste can be decent depending on how long you cure it. It's all on you.

Plus with the latter you aren't dealing with GMOed seeds that never produce a male plant. Thus forcing you to buy new seed stock every season. Some of the best weed I've ever had came out of seedy mexican brick weed I saved the seeds from back in the day. We've probably lost tons of different good strains without realizing it because no one bothered to save the genetics back during the 90s-2010s when every one was selecting plants for stronger THC content and different taste/smell/look quality. All the old timers I know talk about how the weed now isn't like the weed from the 70s. They were already saying that stuff back during the 90s when it stopped getting imported from multiple places and was only coming in from Mexico and Canada.

I've seen a bunch of different dispensary grown weed from legal states over the past 5 years or so. Lots of it looks like it'd be the bomb but provides no kind of real high. It smells wonderful, tastes good, smokes good but doesn't get you high. Then there are the batches where two puffs and you're having a panic attack. There is nothing in between anymore. That's what people miss.

I have no idea what kind of strain it was but back when I was a teenager I once got some reddish/purpleish weed from a local guy. Hardly any seeds in it back when finding weed without seeds was uncommon in this area. Great relaxing high but not overly couch locking. Tasted great. Smelled fine but didn't reek like a skunk. I went back the next day to buy some more and he told me he'd sold it all. Never saw it again. Wish I would have bought a pound of it and gotten some viable seeds out of it. The few I did save weren't viable and I figured they wouldn't be based on how they looked.

I grew some outdoors 5-6 years ago from some random bag seed I had laying around. I much preferred it to the seeds we paid $20 each for that we grew indoors and attempted to grow outside. The GMO female seeds were not worth the money at all. The bagseed stuff looks like some ratty old homegrown because I didn't bother to trim it up that well. But smoked much better. Got me higher without giving me an instant panic attack. The stuff we paid all that money for looked amazing but the high was shit. I know we didn't do anything wrong the person I was growing it with has been growing weed for longer than I've been alive. He said he'd never buy seed stock like that again.

I want male plants. At least one preferably three every season. No one is interested in supply those anymore. Sure it's a bummer if half your crop is male or turns hermie. But you need some good strong males so you can pollinate a good strong female branch every year. I don't want to grow year round inside. I want to grow outdoors for 3-5 months, harvest then not have to think about it for a season. I don't want a set-up where I have to purchase special fertilizer and all that other bullshit. I want to dig holes, throw some fish in the bottom of it, fill it half/half with old cow shit and dirt. Then do nothing but water it from time to time and check on it once a day.

To me it feels like that not only the old seed stock is being lost but also the old way of doing things. Plants respond positively to real human interaction. I seriously doubt a factory farm is giving tender loving care to their plants. They're not interested in growing a handful of nice plants. They're interested in growing as many mediocre plants as possible.

In short: Same thing is happening with pot that's happened to our food supply.

 

[Allylbenzene]

Well said.

Dispensary weed was selected to maximize yields, maximize THC content and bred to be resistant to pests above all else

That focus on THC reduces terpene diversity. Terpenes practically paint the picture. THC over ~20% imo causes a cut-off "diminishing returns" type effect like when the mixer volume hits the red. Plus the CBD makes THC more potent and keeps it in check...so 0% CBD isn't necessarily helpful.

I like homegrown better even if it isn't as strong THC wise ... you get a good THC/CBD ratio and the taste can be decent depending on how long you cure it.

CBG and THCV also - to name other major cannabinoids which are mostly ignored by corporate growers. The genuine growers over on icmag have a thread dedicated to cob curing which turns genuine Sativas into outstanding "psychedelic events".

Some of the best weed I've ever had came out of seedy mexican brick weed I saved the seeds from back in the day. We've probably lost tons of different good strains without realizing it

ACE seeds has done a very good job of "reviving" the entire population of genuine real Sativas. From unique tropical island strains to Thai, Mexican, Colombian, Panamanian you name it. They have the original unadulterated Haze too.

I've seen a bunch of different dispensary grown weed from legal states over the past 5 years or so. Lots of it looks like it'd be the bomb but provides no kind of real high. It smells wonderful, tastes good, smokes good but doesn't get you high.

The genuine growers on icmag all consider the dispensary product to be like flat beer...a dull incapacitating stone and possibly a headache/comedown. Well for context they're used to the stuff that was prevalent in the 60s/70s/80s/90s.

In short: Same thing is happening with pot that's happened to our food supply.

Yup...

 

[foodcrisis]

I've seen a bunch of different dispensary grown weed from legal states over the past 5 years or so. Lots of it looks like it'd be the bomb but provides no kind of real high. It smells wonderful, tastes good, smokes good but doesn't get you high. Then there are the batches where two puffs and you're having a panic attack. There is nothing in between anymore. That's what people miss.

i've only had a few good brands and sampled like probably 30 brands at the dispensary... one of the brands has a few strains that are exactly like what we used to get from a specific dealer. i think it might be the same people. anyways, they know what they are doing. whatever they do, they can sell it for cheap and it's a potent buzz with mostly all the strains by them for me. some of the brands, none of the shit really gets me high. even some of the stuff that works a bit isn't up to par for me. i like that intense feeling that some people would find panic attack.

weed in high times looked like it was terrible back in the day. i don't see how that has anything to do with corn seed stock. a lot of the new strains are fire and they still have classic strains. i don't know, maybe they aren't the original lineage or whatever you'd call it, but there are great seeds.

there are a few strains from the dispensary that are better than illegal weed i've gotten in 20 years of smoking, and a few of my dealers were super picky cannabis connoisseurs. there was a ton of stuff that one of my dealers wouldn't smoke that i would, and he always had that top of the line as potent as it can get great tasting shit. wouldn't say any of it was home grown. it was tons of the same nugs coming all the time for years. big scale grow. awesome stuff. don't see why large scale would have anything do with anything.. not everyone cuts corners. i don't know if legal weed having the stuff irradiated or whatever that process to make sure mold isn't in it makes it bad or if all the brands do it, but the stuff i smoke legally is great.

honestly though, i'm afraid to move out of my town though cause there is so much terrible economy bud at the dispensaries and i don't want to move some where they don't have cheap options for me to enjoy. right now i get an ounce for like 100 bucks that used to be like 240-400 on the black market.

 

[foodcrisis]

i can see how people could be getting bad dispensary weed, but there was so many different types of fire super potent weed on the black market around my area of the east coast, and so many other places boast having great weed too.. like dark web was decent for me all the shit that came from washington and california was what my return addresses were, but i've gotten some really great stuff from dealers like i described lots of the same nugs around for years. big scale grow stuff. had to edit the last post adding in the words "not everyone cuts corners."

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

i am not totally sold on terpenes yet -- that said allylbenzene gave me some things to look into.

Brand is the most important place to start IMHO-- some are deli style -- some are fully remediated. Forget THC % start with a trusted brand

Just the concentrations are so low -- the potency of these terpenes would have to be mega high to effect much --- I haven't done the reading yet so ignore me

 

[Allylbenzene]

Forget THC % start with a trusted brand

Many people are starting to choose products based on terpene % and profile. A richer terpene diversity = "more psychoactive elements to accentuate the high" to put it crudely.

Just the concentrations are so low -- the potency of these terpenes would have to be mega high to effect much

Yes that's a fairly regular argument & perspective that people will have. If you smoke cigarettes you could try adding 1 drop (or less) of pure terpenes to the paper, see how things change. I started with limonene, got myself 1L of the stuff and things went from there. If you had say a regular non-fruity kush strain, adding a tiny quantity of limonene to the paper/flower using a toothpick would essentially produce "lemon kush", changing the high to something more energising/uplifting.

Practically speaking you can customise your high using any of the hundreds of psychoactive terpenes that exist.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

That sounds almost too good to be true..... but I have not put the research in on terps really so I ill defer to you for now.

Lol I remember almost ordering a kilo of THC/A and there was a drop down menu to add terps --- scared me away.

Limonene was one I believe though -- can Isolated terps be purchased even?

Could make things alot more "Sciencey" if you could. (Double blinds whatnot lol)

 

[Allylbenzene]

Lol I remember almost ordering a kilo of THC/A and there was a drop down menu to add terps --- scared me away.
Limonene was one I believe though -- can Isolated terps be purchased even?

Could make things alot more "Sciencey" if you could. (Double blinds whatnot lol)

Yes, I've acquired dozens of isolated terpenes to find out for myself what they do and how they affect things. Including seeing how the academic understanding of their psychoactive properties lines up (or not) with the effects I experience.

From this basis you can build your own personalised combinations which produces any desired effect. Effectively this is composing your own "strain" to which you can add cannabinoid(s) or other botanicals... it's an open book tbh, cannabinoids are optional. Several terpenes have cannabinoid properties funnily enough.

Obviously the cannabinoids add their own unique character but the terpenes are the colours in this thing IMO.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

weed in high times looked like it was terrible back in the day. i don't see how that has anything to do with corn seed stock.

Let me try to explain using tobacco.

My Great-Grandfather was renowned for growing very high quality tobacco for years. He grew 3 primary crops on his farm, tobacco and corn were the main two in rotation with various other things we grew to eat ourselves. Fields were rotated every year with different crops then on the fourth year they'd be rested to grow only grass which was used as hay stock for the cattle.

Back in those days when you took your tobacco crop to market after harvest you made far more money if the quality was high. Multiple bidders would look at your crop then bid against each other to buy the entire year's crop. These were mostly reps for large tobacco companies (all the famous ones) along with some smaller companies that produced high quality cigars and things of that nature.

My Great-Grandfather would put a lot of effort into growing the best tobacco possible every year because it made up over 60% of his yearly income back then. That small tobacco crop (by today's standards) brought in more than cattle, corn, and all the other misc. things we grew and raised. He made so much money from tobacco back then that he was able to expand his farm every year by buying up the farm land around his existing farm. He did that for decades.

This changed around the middle-late 1970s going into the early 80s. The large tobacco companies got together and cornered the market. Then one year we took our crop to market and they informed us that they'd no longer be bidding on individual farmer's crops. Instead, they look at every crop that was brought in by the various farms, they set one price (a very low price) and you could either take it or take nothing. No one else would buy your crop from you in the quantity we were selling tobacco in. It was a cartel in other words.

The above ruined the market and cut small family owned farms out of the market. You could no longer rely on growing a higher quality crop than everyone else and getting a higher bid. After this all that mattered was weight. Your tobacco could be crap quality but if you had a lot of it you'd make more than someone that put in the effort to grow high quality tobacco. The small cigar makers and companies like that that serviced the upscale market do not buy enough yearly to keep a small farmer going. They all have contracts with farms they own directly or have near them. They don't even come to bid anymore.

This also had the effect of a lot of different varieties of tobacco being lost to time. Someone probably saved some seed stock. But no one is growing it at scale anymore. The large tobacco companies aren't using it and the small tobacco companies do not pay out enough to sustain keeping those genetics going. Who knows how much we've lost already. Another thing it did was run locals out of the market. No one pays locals to prime tobacco anymore and no local is willing to work for the pay offered. Instead, we import illegal workers every year to do that back breaking labor. Before the 1980s that labor was done by the farmer's family and hired young locals who would do it as a side gig for extra income. Since the pay was decent for the labor required.

This same thing happened to corn and most other foods in America. Which is why there are so few small family owned farms now. Everything is being grown from the same seed stock (usually, Monsanto) which is bred to be pesticide resistant and to not produce viable seeds. Which forces the farmer to sign contracts with Mosanto and use Mosanto pesticides on his crops. You can flood a field with those chemicals and it'll kill everything but the corn. The corn will look strong as fuck and anything that tries to eat it will die. It looks great but it tastes like shit and it's doing horrible things to your body when you eat it. But there is really nothing else you can buy unless you want to pay a large sum of money to the few small farmers left that kept the old seed stock going (Amish famously). On top of that, that old seed stock can't be grown anywhere near the new seed stock. Since the pesticides they spray on those fields will leech over to your crop and kill lots of it.

I was just trying to point out that the cannabis industry has been commercialized like other cash crops since about the end of the 1990s and I'm seeing the same things happen within it that I saw in the tobacco and corn industries.

I guess the upside is most people aren't smoking Mexican pee anymore (you do not want to know what they did to that stuff before they bricked it up to be sent over the border).

 

[foodcrisis]

Let me try to explain using tobacco.

My Great-Grandfather was renowned for growing very high quality tobacco for years. He grew 3 primary crops on his farm, tobacco and corn were the main two in rotation with various other things we grew to eat ourselves. Fields were rotated every year with different crops then on the fourth year they'd be rested to grow only grass which was used as hay stock for the cattle.

Back in those days when you took your tobacco crop to market after harvest you made far more money if the quality was high. Multiple bidders would look at your crop then bid against each other to buy the entire year's crop. These were mostly reps for large tobacco companies (all the famous ones) along with some smaller companies that produced high quality cigars and things of that nature.

My Great-Grandfather would put a lot of effort into growing the best tobacco possible every year because it made up over 60% of his yearly income back then. That small tobacco crop (by today's standards) brought in more than cattle, corn, and all the other misc. things we grew and raised. He made so much money from tobacco back then that he was able to expand his farm every year by buying up the farm land around his existing farm. He did that for decades.

This changed around the middle-late 1970s going into the early 80s. The large tobacco companies got together and cornered the market. Then one year we took our crop to market and they informed us that they'd no longer be bidding on individual farmer's crops. Instead, they look at every crop that was brought in by the various farms, they set one price (a very low price) and you could either take it or take nothing. No one else would buy your crop from you in the quantity we were selling tobacco in. It was a cartel in other words.

The above ruined the market and cut small family owned farms out of the market. You could no longer rely on growing a higher quality crop than everyone else and getting a higher bid. After this all that mattered was weight. Your tobacco could be crap quality but if you had a lot of it you'd make more than someone that put in the effort to grow high quality tobacco. The small cigar makers and companies like that that serviced the upscale market do not buy enough yearly to keep a small farmer going. They all have contracts with farms they own directly or have near them. They don't even come to bid anymore.

This also had the effect of a lot of different varieties of tobacco being lost to time. Someone probably saved some seed stock. But no one is growing it at scale anymore. The large tobacco companies aren't using it and the small tobacco companies do not pay out enough to sustain keeping those genetics going. Who knows how much we've lost already. Another thing it did was run locals out of the market. No one pays locals to prime tobacco anymore and no local is willing to work for the pay offered. Instead, we import illegal workers every year to do that back breaking labor.

This same thing happened to corn and most other foods in America. Which is why there are so few small family owned farms now. Everything is being grown from the same seed stock (usually, Monsanto) which is bred to be pesticide resistant and to not produce viable seeds. Which forces the farmer to sign contracts with Mosanto and use Mosanto pesticides on his crops. You can flood a field with those chemicals and it'll kill everything but the corn. The corn will look strong as fuck and anything that tries to eat it will die. It looks great but it tastes like shit and it's doing horrible things to your body when you eat it. But there is really nothing else you can buy unless you want to pay a large sum of money to the few small farmers left that kept the old seed stock going (Amish famously). On top of that, that old seed stock can't be grown anywhere near the new seed stock. Since the pesticides they spray on those fields will leech over to your crop and kill lots of it.

I was just trying to point out that the cannabis industry has been commercialized like other cash crops since about the end of the 1990s and I'm seeing the same things happen within it that I saw in the tobacco and corn industries.

I guess the upside is most people aren't smoking Mexican pee anymore (you do not want to know what they did to that stuff before they bricked it up to be sent over the border).

oh painful for me to read bro... not buying it.... large scale black market weed was the shit... probably grown by rappers that cared a lot what they were growing or the maffia or even government or some shit... some of that stuff is still around in the dispensarys..


have to say i truly enjoyed reading your posts particularly this one in this thread https://www.bluelight.org/community...-with-current-technology.846628/post-16399325


anyways, it's cool... you can think what you want about cannabis. i bet a lot of people are getting shit from the dispo.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

My point is in a commercialized "legal" market the large cartel that has/will form will always put two things above all else: shelf appeal and weight. Just like how food in the super market has turned into a massive lie. Where we've got these ungodly large fruits and veggies that look amazing but have no flavor and beef shot up with all manner of chemicals to turn it that choice color of red. The FDA has failed us on so many levels.

I'll be the first to tell you there was a lot of garbage weed on the street in the 90s-2000s. Some of that Mexico brick weed was so trashy no one wanted to smoke it. But a lot of it was decent. When the market changed about 10 years back here and that stuff started to vanish from the street tons of people complained. They complained because they didn't want to pay the amount of money for one nug that they were used to getting 5+ grams for. The complained because they didn't like the high they were getting from the stuff that looked, smelled and tasted amazing. The high was typically not worth the price of entry or it was getting them too high to the point of having panic attacks. I know a lot of people that quit smoking weed all together because nothing on the market was catering to them.

Now I'm still in a state where it's illegal. We don't have dispensaries. But I can drive 15 minutes and be in a legal state and tons of weed from there finds it way down here (shocker I know). The local market has been flooded with the stuff. But yet people still complain because it's so hard to find anything decent to smoke even at the now rock bottom prices for the dispensary weed. I know someone that bought several pounds of the stuff a few years ago that was very angry about what he ended up with. Even though you could have put it on the cover of High Times 20 years ago and everyone would have raved about how amazing it was.

You're doing what I'm talking about when you say weed in magazines back then didn't look pretty. There are many reason for that. People back then weren't training plants and harvesting them small after forcing them to flower early. They were growing them tall and strong and trying to get large colas. They weren't as concerned about trimming things to look nice. They were operating under circumstances where they didn't have as much room and couldn't cure things out without worrying about the smell. There was also a lot of bad advice being followed too of course.

We now have plastic weed for a plastic society.

"Legalization" has been a farce as well. The state to the north of me now claims it's legal. But if you try to grow more than 3 plants for yourself they're going to run you in for a felony charge. Getting licensed to grow is very hard. The state (read: cartel) will take most of your yearly profits. The cops still hassle everyone they smell the stink of weed on. If you sign up for the medical card in most places kiss half your rights goodbye. It's really fucked up.

There is a large segment of the market that is not being catered to as well. Much like beer and the microbrewery movement. Where every one is catering to people that love more hops and no one is making good beer for the average person. The reason most of the dispensary weed is giving people near-panic attacks is because they're not the type of person smoking all day every day. They're the type of people that want to smoke a joint after work and on the weekend. They don't want 20+% THC content and don't care about all the nerd weed stuff. They just want something that smells nice, smokes decent and gets them and their 4 friends high without everyone needing to consume a benzo afterwards. The type of people that don't know what dabs are and don't care what the strain they're smoking is called. "Too strong" has been a complaint I've heard from both young and old going back 15 years now.

 

[foodcrisis]

You're doing what I'm talking about when you say weed in magazines back then didn't look pretty. There are many reason for that. People back then weren't training plants and harvesting them small after forcing them to flower early. They were growing them tall and strong and trying to get large colas. They weren't as concerned about trimming things to look nice. They were operating under circumstances where they didn't have as much room and couldn't cure things out without worrying about the smell. There was also a lot of bad advice being followed too of course.

i'm not saying weed has to be dense to be potent or good, but the pics from high times in the 70's are not right... not even that all buds with crystals and white are good, but none of those buds have that and i've seen buds with particular crystals on them that are amazing from VERY LARGE GROWS, just tons of this pot. i can't find why a small scale grow would make it any better... honestly buds from the dispo don't have the same type of shiny crystals you can see shine in light that make a person cough a certain way. but that shit was all large scale commercial black market that i was getting before...

no one has been able to explain to me in years of mentioning this on the net as to why the pictures from the seventies are so fluffy or rather airy and with proper fertilization most out door strains are gonna be a lot denser. it's pretty easy to grow great looking fire outdoors.. why were buds in the seventies so schwaggy. how the fuck did the seeds get so better? like when you grow the classic strains now, they are all dense. i get they didn't do high power indoor lighting back then... is it because the seeds have been growing inside that they are now being able to produce better buds? i would think with the classic strains seeds being indoors for so long that they are getting more potent. idk maybe that is making something people don't like about them.. i really can't believe that cannabis isn't getting better or at least in late 90's or early 2000's it got to reach its maximum potency. idk. high times didn't really look great in the early 90's, so i'm thinking like 2000 pot peaked...

i just googled about this too, and the strains in the 70's were primarily outdoors, so it's not becuase they were flourescent grows why they look shwagg... seeds have to have gotten better or something... maybe stuff used to taste better or something? i doubt it. i like me some shiny crystals.

 

[Allylbenzene]

i'm not saying weed has to be dense to be potent or good, but the pics from high times in the 70's are not right... not even that all buds with crystals and white are good, but none of those buds have that

If you saw some of the most potent psychedelic flower ever you'd call it trash because it doesn't look right. As the other person wrote:

We now have plastic weed for a plastic society.

i can't find why a small scale grow would make it any better...

Various reasons which I think have been covered already.

no one has been able to explain to me in years of mentioning this on the net as to why the pictures from the seventies are so fluffy or rather airy ... why were buds in the seventies so schwaggy.

As the other person wrote:

We now have plastic weed for a plastic society.

i really can't believe that cannabis isn't getting better

In the commercial large-scale market it seems to be generally declining in quality mainly due to the loss of terpene diversity which undermines the medicinal and recreational value. But in other markets that prioritise quality there are several authentic Sativas being developed, without necessarily introducing short-flowering "indica" types which are useful for getting more crops per year but reduce the quality of the high in various ways. To paraphrase, the "psychedelic LSD caffeine" high becomes a mildly uplifting and/or sedative beer-like experience with a tendency for a hangover.

 

[Allylbenzene]

The FDA has failed us on so many levels.

The UK food standards agency (FSA) play silly games also. They tend to favour the interests of the corporate healthcare industry (unbelievable right).

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Yes, I've acquired dozens of isolated terpenes to find out for myself what they do and how they affect things. Including seeing how the academic understanding of their psychoactive properties lines up (or not) with the effects I experience.

From this basis you can build your own personalised combinations which produces any desired effect. Effectively this is composing your own "strain" to which you can add cannabinoid(s) or other botanicals... it's an open book tbh, cannabinoids are optional. Several terpenes have cannabinoid properties funnily enough.

Obviously the cannabinoids add their own unique character but the terpenes are the colours in this thing.

Being able to acquire terpene isolates is something I HAVE TO LOOK INTO! I am in a legal state, any idea how one would go about finding terpene isolates (I know this is kind of bordering on sourcing but im looking for "Ask a local budtender" or i dont even know honestly, not some link)

Thank you for putting forward a very logical fact based reason why homegrown could be better -- even more thank's for it being something I can recreate and experience myself! (Hopeully)

Shit I wish I could run a giant double blind study with terpenes and what objective effects they have at what doses.

Feels like something NORML should fund and someone better at science than me should conduct! (Hell I would throw in to crowd fund that!)

 

[foodcrisis]

not buying the stuff people are saying in this thread... done reading it....

all just generalizations

 

[foodcrisis]

it's easy to grow super good home grown out doors... have to say.

 

[foodcrisis]

read through this again... from poster Allylbenzene's post....

totally meanningless and didn't answer my question:


"

no one has been able to explain to me in years of mentioning this on the net as to why the pictures from the seventies are so fluffy or rather airy ... why were buds in the seventies so schwaggy.

As the other person wrote:

We now have plastic weed for a plastic society."

said i was done reading but thought this was peculiar.

i think someone will be able to find how dumb this is having that be the full extent of the answer...

anyways, just want to say i wouldn't get my hopes up starting a small closet grow @ anybody reading this thread... can't really argue any more.

EDIT: also i guess the quality of seeds or something is ruining terpenes or whatever you all are saying isn't a generalization, but i don't think that's really happening... idk, i personally think this is mostly opinionated... i guarentee i've smoked some of the most potent buds out there @ this thread. some posters might just think i'm a loser schizophrenic, but IME large scale black market grows have been the most potent and i've gotten a few dispensary strains that have been ALMOST just as good.

I've seen a bunch of different dispensary grown weed from legal states over the past 5 years or so. Lots of it looks like it'd be the bomb but provides no kind of real high. It smells wonderful, tastes good, smokes good but doesn't get you high. Then there are the batches where two puffs and you're having a panic attack. There is nothing in between anymore. That's what people miss.

so this person is saying that they do get at least potent dispensary cannabis. really i would be they are getting different brands if they are an accurate judge. although some strains are better than others with certain brands, if a brand is good it will at least be effective at getting me stoned. one brand i know i've tried like 30-50 strains and only one wasn't great.

 

[Allylbenzene]

Being able to acquire terpene isolates is something I HAVE TO LOOK INTO! I am in a legal state, any idea how one would go about finding terpene isolates (I know this is kind of bordering on sourcing but im looking for "Ask a local budtender" or i dont even know honestly, not some link)

Nowadays aromatherapy stores selling steam-distilled essential oils (pre-mixed terpenes) are fairly common as are places selling terpene isolates (partly due to the cannabis industry) for making vaping oils.

You'll find them online mostly but I'm sure there'll be some local options. Many perfumery vendors sell natural terpene isolates (eg 98% beta caryophyllene) but many places sell synthetic pure terpenes also.

One particular essential oil is practically pure linalool ("ho wood" essential oil, 98%+). Linalool = smooth relaxation with nice psychoactive verging on psychedelic aspects.

Orange oil is practically pure limonene (95%+) which has an uplifting/energising character.
Lemon oil contains less, only 70% limonene plus 20% beta pinene (uplifting, energising).
Lemon oil is the more psychoactive of the two.

Pure limonene is sold world-wide for cleaning purposes and as a degreaser...

Shit I wish I could run a giant double blind study with terpenes and what objective effects they have at what doses.

Doses aren't that high tbh. Eg I'll use a drop or 2 of eucalyptus + lemon oil applied to inner arm for an energising effect. It's recommended to dilute them in a small amount of coconut oil for this.

Generally higher doses = more potent effects (either applied topically or orally) but just be cautious and sensible with the dose ... no need to go OTT.