Life is a test

[Iblis]

What’s everyone’s take on that?

I actually read the Qur’an last year and decided to go all in. I’m not here to debate but I was kind of sold when the book claimed it was the literal speech of a Deity and claimed Life is a test to see who is best in deeds.

It claims this Life is not real and it is a journey to the real life(Paradise) if you can prove yourself here and upon death begins the lonely segment of the journey until we arrive at the Inevitable Event the Qur’an speaks of which all of humanity will be gathered by Allah for his final assessment on humans on how we did and all of our deeds small to big will be placed on a scale and all of us will have a conversation with Him and after that either you get punished or rewarded.

Obviously Islam and its teachings are more nuanced than that but that’s the basic gist of it.

I mean why is any of this, life/conciousness even here?

Why is geometry and mathematics so important and fine tuned into everything?

Life and existence make 0 sense because none of it is possible in the first place which makes me inclined to believe in something with an infinite mind left us here with finite minds to be tested so obviously you won’t understand the universe and the mystery behind it.

I’m not scared of death but I’m literally shaken to the core this is my only chance at Life out of the billions of years so logically I feel inclined to participate in a belief system.

Thoughts?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Don't sweat it mate. There's no point worrying about the afterlife as you're likely to be disappointed.

Also, don't live your life according to the teachings of charlatans.

Just do the best you can for you and those that love you.

 

[Iblis]

Don't sweat it mate. There's no point worrying about the afterlife as you're likely to be disappointed.

Also, don't live your life according to the teachings of charlatans.

Perhaps in my Life it is the most important thing because the text spoke to me fulfilling some void that’s been bothering me for many years.

There is a point but not in your mind, not everyone sees life the same way.

I get it you probably hate Islam and the Muslims but there is no need to project this here on a spirituality sub and throw some shade at the founder of Islam being a charlatan, totally unnecessary and doesn’t contribute to honest and ethical discourse

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

F.U.B.A.R. isn't "religious" and takes the same view towards all religions, not just Islam.

That being said Islam is certainly welcome here. I read the Qur’an several times cover to cover and have had many Muslim colleges when I was young enough to work.

 

[Iblis]

F.U.B.A.R. isn't "religious" and takes the same view towards all religions, not just Islam.

That being said Islam is certainly welcome here. I read the Qur’an several times cover to cover and many Muslim colleges when I was young enough to work.

No problem.

I feel like sharing my thoughts because I am here with no recollection of my own on how I even got here in the first place so naturally one would ponder what the meaning of their life is.

As an adult the aversion of believing in a higher power or some belief like Islam is astonishing to me, especially Islam people like to bring up Aisha and the Hudud punishments right off the bat ignoring 99% of the rest of the teachings like they can’t help it.

Anyways…..

I’m literally forced to play a game of choices and if you refuse to make a choice, it’s still a choice. So I figure why not make more strategic and discipline oriented choices.

 

[Jnowhere]

What’s everyone’s take on that?

I actually read the Qur’an last year and decided to go all in. I’m not here to debate but I was kind of sold when the book claimed it was the literal speech of a Deity and claimed Life is a test to see who is best in deeds.

It claims this Life is not real and it is a journey to the real life(Paradise) if you can prove yourself here and upon death begins the lonely segment of the journey until we arrive at the Inevitable Event the Qur’an speaks of which all of humanity will be gathered by Allah for his final assessment on humans on how we did and all of our deeds small to big will be placed on a scale and all of us will have a conversation with Him and after that either you get punished or rewarded.

Obviously Islam and its teachings are more nuanced than that but that’s the basic gist of it.

I mean why is any of this, life/conciousness even here?

Why is geometry and mathematics so important and fine tuned into everything?

Life and existence make 0 sense because none of it is possible in the first place which makes me inclined to believe in something with an infinite mind left us here with finite minds to be tested so obviously you won’t understand the universe and the mystery behind it.

I’m not scared of death but I’m literally shaken to the core this is my only chance at Life out of the billions of years so logically I feel inclined to participate in a belief system.

Thoughts?

That was already done, it is called the Bible and some where in The Quran it affirms it. Also, The Book Revelation, says scripture is closed.

That was written in the late 1 century A.D. , a few centuries before, Mohammed was even born.

I am a screw up, but my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has kept me from death and shown me the error of my ways, but protected me.

I have been rebellious and led a hard life( on my body and mind) yet The Lord has protected me and never abandoned me, no matter how far I strayed from my faith.

Countless times. I am not ashamed of my beliefs only of my behavior and the life I have led.

Look at the Middle East and all that horrible nonsense of the Islamic Theocratic governments and tell me is this of ALMIGHTY GOD? Now look at the crumbling West and how it has basically abandoned God.

The end is coming and eternity is also coming and where you spend it is something you will have to choose. Although, I struggle, I am a believer in true repentance and the Lord Jesus Christ and the true and living GOD.( Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Yes the West has strayed as a whole, and GOD is slow to anger but has a bad temper. This world as we know it is going to end. Then Eternity.

He shows mercy to who he chooses, hopefully you will be one of us.

Get a Good study Bible. But I suppose the NIV is easier to read than The King James Version. Watch John MacArthur videos.
I discovered his sermons long after I became a believer.

You are searching for the Truth. Start in The New Testament and go through and remember that The Gospels( The first 4 books of The Bible are written from the prospective of four different men, but inspired by The Holy Spirit, who is one third of The Holy Trinity.

No I am definitely not a catholic, an independent Protestant, who is seriously flawed but regenerative person spiritually.

The world is going downhill just like prophesied in Revelation and thorough out The Bible.

The world is ending sometime. Don't be one of countless who will perish, in Hell, for all eternity. John 3:16-18 is a good start.

I am someone who normally not believe in anything, very strongly. But I put my Faith in The One and onlt True Son of God Jesus Christ.

Almost all the ridiculous fools and charlatans on Television are frauds and as the The Bible calls them " wolves" and they are a disgrace.

As everything starts to crumble, truley open your heary and soul to One True and living God( The Holy Trinity and the three separate but equal spiritual beings; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one God is hard to comprehend). It is why the call it faith.

The King James Bible is best literal translation but the NIV but be easier to understand.

John MacArthur is one famous( RIP) preacher who always stayed the couse of salvation. Invest some time in watching his sermons.

He also has a good study Bible in a couple of translations. Go to his website.

He is absolutely NOT ONE OF THOSE MONEY GRUBBING FALSE TEACHERS LIKE, Kenneth copeland, benny hinn, joel olsteen, or any characteristic deceivers, and women are forbidden just like in The Quran from being teachers of men( pastors or ministers; Just like that woman who is a disgrace and Trump's pastor. True faith is not all this political foolishness. Even though I am neither a Trump hater or someone looking for a political figure as a savior.

I already have one. The One and True Savior Jesus Christ.

Yes my post is rather short because I am not able to fully express my beliefs but John MacArthur does a great job of it. Invest some time and pray. Open your heart.

Nevermind the usual mindless posts of mine, they are merely a reminder of my brokenness. My human nature, I need to overcome and my rebellious nature which God has kept in check.

Pray and open your heart up to Jesus Christ, because he is the one and only true way to salvation. He is the one mediator between man and God The Father. Sola Scriptura.

 

[Iblis]

That was already done, it is called the Bible and some where in The Quran it affirms it. Also, The Book Revelation, says scripture is closed.

That was written in the late 1 century A.D. , a few centuries before, Mohammed was even born.

I am a screw up, but my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has kept me from death and shown me the error of my ways, but protected me.

I have been rebellious and led a hard life( on my body and mind) yet The Lord has protected me and never abandoned me, no matter how far I strayed from my faith.

Countless times. I am not ashamed of my beliefs only of my behavior and the life I have led.

Look at the Middle East and all that horrible nonsense of the Islamic Theocratic governments and tell me is this of ALMIGHTY GOD? Now look at the crumbling West and how it has basically abandoned God.

The end is coming and eternity is also coming and where you spend it is something you will have to choose. Although, I struggle, I am a believer in true repentance and the Lord Jesus Christ and the true and living GOD.( Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Yes the West has strayed as a whole, and GOD is slow to anger but has a bad temper. This world as we know it is going to end. Then Eternity.

He shows mercy to who he chooses, hopefully you will be one of us.

Get a Good study Bible. But I suppose the NIV is easier to read than The King James Version. Watch John MacArthur videos.
I discovered his sermons long after I became a believer.

You are searching for the Truth. Start in The New Testament and go through and remember that The Gospels( The first 4 books of The Bible are written from the prospective of four different men, but inspired by The Holy Spirit, who is one third of The Holy Trinity.

No I am definitely not a catholic, an independent Protestant, who is seriously flawed but regenerative person spiritually.

The world is going downhill just like prophesied in Revelation and thorough out The Bible.

The world is ending sometime. Don't be one of countless who will perish, in Hell, for all eternity. John 3:16-18 is a good start.

I am someone who normally not believe in anything, very strongly. But I put my Faith in The One and onlt True Son of God Jesus Christ.

Almost all the ridiculous fools and charlatans on Television are frauds and as the The Bible calls them " wolves" and they are a disgrace.

As everything starts to crumble, truley open your heary and soul to One True and living God( The Holy Trinity and the three separate but equal spiritual beings; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as one God is hard to comprehend). It is why the call it faith.

The King James Bible is best literal translation but the NIV but be easier to understand.

John MacArthur is one famous( RIP) preacher who always stayed the couse of salvation. Invest some time in watching his sermons.

He also has a good study Bible in a couple of translations. Go to his website.

He is absolutely NOT ONE OF THOSE MONEY GRUBBING FALSE TEACHERS LIKE, Kenneth copeland, benny hinn, joel olsteen, or any characteristic deceivers, and women are forbidden just like in The Quran from being teachers of men( pastors or ministers; Just like that woman who is a disgrace and Trump's pastor. True faith is not all this political foolishness. Even though I am neither a Trump hater or someone looking for a political figure as a savior.

I already have one. The One and True Savior Jesus Christ.

Yes my post is rather short because I am not able to fully express my beliefs but John MacArthur does a great job of it. Invest some time and pray. Open your heart.

Nevermind the usual mindless posts of mine, they are merely a reminder of my brokenness. My human nature, I need to overcome and my rebellious nature which God has kept in check.

Pray and open your heart up to Jesus Christ, because he is the one and only true way to salvation. He is the one mediator between man and God The Father. Sola Scriptura.

Nah im good and i specifically stated i don't want to debate but since your pushing it here goes nothing. I know more about Christianity than you do and have read quite a ton of texts regarding both religions.

1. There is not a single piece of text that ties back to the historical Jesus.

2. The earliest manuscripts the P52 and P137 came out a century after the supposed "death" of Jesus and the earliest compilation of the first Bible is the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus which came three centuries later.

3. Biblical scholarship themselves state that the gospel authors are anonymous/disputed.

4.There are thousands of discrepancies and contradictions with LITERAL missing canons in Christianity.

5. Every church you go to has a different copy of the Bible and different teachings.

6.Its a polytheistic religion and bowing down to another human being like myself is something i will NEVER do.

7. It doesn't provide a comprehensive guide on how to live your life in every aspect.

Based on these 7 points which are literal facts i conclude Christianity is simply not true without a doubt

Based on your emotionally charged reply i can safely conclude Christianity is a religion that preys on people with low self esteem and tells them they are bad and sinners from birth and thats why it works

PS The Quran affirms the Injil that was given to Jesus and the Torah given to Moses which no longer exist and states it place as the decisive authority on top of them

 

[Jnowhere]

You, are wrong I maybe in a bad state, but but, you, Iblis, is a perfect name, you are not correct. Iblis, lol, somehow is the perfect name, even if it is related to The Quran.

Just, call yourself something else if you ever come out of the darkness and into the light.

 

[Iblis]

You, are wrong I maybe in a bad state, but but, you, Iblis, is a perfect name, you are not correct. Iblis, lol, somehow is the perfect name, even if it is related to The Quran.

Just, call yourself something else if you ever come out of the darkness and into the light.

Prove me wrong then. I’m waiting

 

[Jnowhere]

Iblis, I am done wasting my time. But your name says it all. Besides the (The Quran even acknowledges the scriptures of Bible in the Surahs, some where).

Read it( The Bible) and then about The Revelation from ALMIGHTY GOD to The Apostle John(The last few chapters of The Book Revelation). Being closed, the revelations.

The scriptures are closed. So you and your peacock( not an insult, but part of something I read about the Islam version of The Garden of Ede) you can be deluded all you want. ( I pray you change your mind).

The proof you seek( I pray you change your mind), but the proof can be found but you must search. You won't , I can tell.

Just by your tone of arrogance, and I am not trying to start a Jihad on Bluelight.

The escatology of Islam is actually just the opposite of Christianity.

I am not concerned because at all the about the stuff happening now; is merely a precursor of what is to come.

I have said, what I am going too. You can eIther get saved or wait for the Day of Judgement and be cast into The Lake of Fire or truly repent and accept Jesus Christ( The eternal son and 1/3 of Holy Trinity as Lord and Savior).

I know, and accept the truth. It is hard to do that. I am not at all the type to believe, but through The Grace of God, I do.

You seem to wrestling with your beliefs, not me. Just getting the sin out of my life, is my issue, but salvation isn't.
I am done arguing with The devil. ( hey, that is name you chose). Okay, some differences, depending on your sect of Islam.

I am done, too tired and I have stuff to do.
(I will pray for you, but I know chances are you will just remain the same). Sad.

 

[Iblis]

Read it( The Bible) and then about The Revelation from ALMIGHTY GOD to The Apostle John(The last few chapters of The Book Revelation). Being closed, the revelations.

TL;DR

You probably wrote this on tweak thinking your some sort of Prophet.

It’s further obvious you didn’t even read enough of your religion to realize The Bible is a collection of accounts of anonymous men who may or not be related to the historical Yeshua/Isa at all and You mistook it for the actual speech of God.

I pressed you on those simple 7 facts and you dodged and went preacher mode threatening Hell and thus is exactly why I’ll never become a Christian because you guys are nothing but a bunch of hateful ignorant bigots who can’t help but attack people of other ways of life.

Muslims don’t do this and war torn countries by the US don’t represent us.

 

[Light X]

There is no test.
You just happen to be alive, just like anything else that is alive or not.
There is no afterlife, logically speaking.
Religions are and have been a tool to control and manipulate low-IQ cattle into behaving properly and using them to gain power by the elites.

 

[Iblis]

There is no test.
You just happen to be alive, just like anything else that is alive or not.
There is no afterlife, logically speaking.
Religions are and have been a tool to control and manipulate low-IQ cattle into behaving properly and using them to gain power by the elites.

Logically speaking consciousness and the universe shouldn’t exist in the first place. You speak with complete certainty as if you came back from the other side.

Perhaps that’s your experience with religion but that’s not everyone’s experience.

Besides this is a spirituality sub, you should keep your atheism to yourself because It’s not the badge of honor you think it is.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Logically speaking consciousness and the universe shouldn’t exist in the first place. You speak with complete certainty as if you came back from the other side.

Perhaps that’s your experience with religion but that’s not everyone’s experience.

Besides this is a spirituality sub, you should keep your atheism to yourself because It’s not the badge of honor you think it is.

Atheism is a belief and is certainly valid to consider here; even Darwin that held that life tests one species against others species for continued existence of the species. This discussion works as long as everyone acknowledges the right of others to speak and listen.

 

[streaM Freak]

What’s everyone’s take on that?

I actually read the Qur’an last year and decided to go all in. I’m not here to debate but I was kind of sold when the book claimed it was the literal speech of a Deity and claimed Life is a test to see who is best in deeds.

It claims this Life is not real and it is a journey to the real life(Paradise) if you can prove yourself here and upon death begins the lonely segment of the journey until we arrive at the Inevitable Event the Qur’an speaks of which all of humanity will be gathered by Allah for his final assessment on humans on how we did and all of our deeds small to big will be placed on a scale and all of us will have a conversation with Him and after that either you get punished or rewarded.

Obviously Islam and its teachings are more nuanced than that but that’s the basic gist of it.

Even if one doesn't agree 100% with a book of writing, no matter the religion, it's hard for me to ignore how they all have largely positive and inspiring messages.

I mean why is any of this, life/conciousness even here?

Why is geometry and mathematics so important and fine tuned into everything?

Life and existence make 0 sense because none of it is possible in the first place which makes me inclined to believe in something with an infinite mind left us here with finite minds to be tested so obviously you won’t understand the universe and the mystery behind it.

I’m not scared of death but I’m literally shaken to the core this is my only chance at Life out of the billions of years so logically I feel inclined to participate in a belief system.

Thoughts?

I absolutely agree... I'm a math junkie. Also a very divergent thinker. I question things for fun, to learn.

I'm learning that physics and philosophy is interestingly related - or, at least that is what i believe. And i have a right to believe that. As does everyone.

Regarding life as a test, the way that i can conceptualize it is.. (now again this is my personal belief) i do believe in some form of afterlife. And because the world has so much suffering, but also so much synchronicity at the same time, i actually do believe that living in this world under these conditions is sort of a "fast track" to character and spiritual development. And, if there is an afterlife, i believe starting with more knowledge and insight would be incredibly powerful... and powerful doesn't have to have a negative connotation like it so often does these days.

Because we really just don't know for sure. So why not assume good things. And why not try.

That's where i'm at right now. On a good day..

 

[Iblis]

Atheism is a belief and is certainly valid to consider here, and even Darwin that held that life tests once species against others species for continued existence of the species. This discussion works as long as everyone acknowledges the right of others to speak and listen.

Atheism is a declaration of arrogance and making a statement that there is nothing greater than you, it’s quite selfish

No explanation for morality,consciousness, the meaning of our lives and so forth.

Atheism literally brings nothing to the table and I will treat such a “belief” as if it is nothing, and quite rightfully so.

Agnosticism I can respect but not Atheism. But then again that’s just my view, you are free to believe as you wish.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

There is nothing wrong with atheism. Seems like a grim outlook to have but you still judge a person by character and treat them the way you would want to be treated; correct?

Just curious how it is selfish?

They may not believe in heaven or god but if they are kind, treat people with respect, and are genuinely good...... I dont care how certain they am I am wrong in my beliefs. At least they don't believe I am going to be tortured for eternity in hell?

The second an atheist starts clowning me for believing in god they are crossing the same line I would be trying to convert someone else who has no willingness to listen....Or pulli out a ouijia board, fck with things neither of us undersand etc (That would piss me off)

Right now I feel like more atheists are decent people than self declared (especially if it is the center of they identity) christians

If an atheist is a good person, at least you know it is for the sake of being a good person; not pleasing some cosmic judge -- idk I digress and have no reason to work this hard for atheists - they prolly think im a bot hehe

 

[Iblis]

There is nothing wrong with atheism. Seems like a grim outlook to have but you still judge a person by character and treat them the way you would want to be treated; correct?

Just curious how it is selfish?

They may not believe in heaven or god but if they are kind, treat people with respect, and are genuinely good...... I dont care how certain they am I am wrong in my beliefs. At least they don't believe I am going to be tortured for eternity in hell?

The second an atheist starts clowning me for believing in god they are crossing the same line I would be trying to convert someone else who has no willingness to listen....Or pulli out a ouijia board, fck with things neither of us undersand etc (That would piss me off)

Right now I feel like more atheists are decent people than self declared (especially if it is the center of they identity) christians

If an atheist is a good person, at least you know it is for the sake of being a good person; not pleasing some cosmic judge -- idk I digress and have no reason to work this hard for atheists - they prolly think im a bot hehe

Oh there is everything wrong with Atheism and Atheists this needs to be said plainly and without apology.

You think your position is the pinnacle of reason, the default of the intelligent mind, the brave rejection of fairy tales. But what you're really committed to is willful, unreasonable doubt. You're not skeptics you're trolls, professional contrarians whose entire intellectual posture is built on fabricating doubt where none is warranted, just to feel clever.

Look at the obvious the universe screams design, order, purpose. By Occam's razor alone the simplest explanation is usually correct belief in a Creator is the straightforward, rational conclusion. Yet you twist yourselves into absurd pretzels inventing ever more convoluted, outlandish alternatives multiverses popping into existence from nothing, infinite regressions of uncaused causes, blind chance somehow producing conscious beings who can ponder their own existence. That's not intelligence; that's needless absurdity. Being pointlessly, absurdly contrarian isn't a sign of intellect it's a sign of someone misusing their intellect just to be difficult.

And the hypocrisy? You claim to champion reason, logic, humanity, progress yet where are the atheists flooding into the care professions, sacrificing for others, building communities grounded in genuine compassion? Your sophistry falls flat when your actions don't match the rhetoric. You demand everyone frame reality through your atheistic secular lens, treating it as neutral and superior, then cry "divisive" when a Muslim refuses to play along. No your framework isn't neutral it's imposed, it's biased, it's the ideology of the West masquerading as default rationality.

Islam offers a rich, intellectually fertile soil—1,400 years of Shari’ah, governance, philosophy, ethics that dwarfs the barren landfill of secular atheism. You reject it not because it's irrational, but because accepting it would shatter your contrived superiority complex. You're not freethinkers; you're trapped in a performative denial, committed to the most objectively ludicrous position imaginable: that everything came from nothing, for no reason, leading to beings who invent meaning while denying the obvious Source of it all.

So keep your unreasonable doubt. I'll stick with what's evident, coherent, and grounded in millennia of proven wisdom. The charade of debating Atheists is futile not because faith fears reason, but because your "reason" fears facing what's plain to anyone not invested in absurdity. Wake up or stay absurd. Your choice.

 

[Kellsee]

What happened on the cross?


What was that? And why?

I’m just genuinely asking anyone that wants to answer. I come with love and have no desire to debate. Just asking because I’m trying to understand where people are coming from so I can better understand what they mean by what they say

 

[Iblis]

What happened on the cross?


What was that? And why?

I’m just genuinely asking anyone that wants to answer. I come with love and have no desire to debate. Just asking because I’m trying to understand where people are coming from so I can better understand what they mean by what they say

Some dude died on a cross just like the rest of the criminals Rome had prosecuted.

It’s not hard to realize the belief God died is absolutely absurd, a God who didn’t even know the hour or how many figs fell off a tree and prayed to another God.

I rest my case.