IS it me or is dispensary cannabis not the same as home grown cannabis?

[Jen X]

Depends what brand. I won't touch redecan but Montreal cannabis and spinach brands have been great.

 

[Jeebis2]

Ive avoided posting in this thread for ages, but today I think ill post lol.

I run the sales floor of one of upstate ny's oldest and top dispensaries, and yes, theres a difference between homegrow and dispo weed.

Its the same difference between eating a lasagna at a restaurant VS the lasagna of your 93 yr old italian nonna. Is the restaurant's bad? No but is it going to be remotely in the same ballpark as your nonna? Hell no

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Can you be the first person to provide evidence of such?

Sounds like you are well versed in the field. Any theory why homegrown is better than dispensary weed? (Other than the growers keepin the best cola's I suppose)

My experience has been the opposite (and pretty vast). THC-V is a decent theory I suppose but noone has put any real evidence forward that thc-v concentrations are more in homegrown?

 

[Allylbenzene]

Any theory why homegrown is better than dispensary weed? (Other than the growers keepin the best cola's I suppose)

For one the home growers can grow any variety they want, like genuine pure Sativas from ACE seeds. Nothing like that exists in dispos afaik, only average stuff.

My experience has been the opposite (and pretty vast). THC-V is a decent theory I suppose but noone has put any real evidence forward that thc-v concentrations are more in homegrown?

THCV % is a "strain" specific thing. The majority of dispo varieties are THC dominant with CBD and CBG popping up also. Old school varieties had something special because some were around 5-12% THC but had psychedelic and/or cocaine like qualities. You can read about this from the old timers on icmag. To put things into context they call the dispo stuff "average lame beer".

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Been there with a very top of the end hyrdo system ran by a professor growing the top strains possible. This was late 90s so I never was able to compare it directly to a dispensary --- and I do remember it as 'the best weed i ever smoked'.
Also the first weed I ever smoked and only had brick to compare it to.

Why would anyone grow "Average" genetic seeds -- the same menu is available to them. (Yield, flowering time, all kind of reasons -- generally high yielding short flowering hybrids of course)

I am an old timer -- I certainly grew up with old timers. 5-12% with psychedelic/cocaine qualities? I will believe it when I smoke it (And indulge the hyperbole)

I still say I will give 50 bucks to the first person I meet that has something better than the dispensaries. I have worked on pot farms (One for a dispo, one that hated dispos avidly) --

"They" are wrong and suffering from a case of (toxic?) nostalgia. NOONE WOULD LOVE TO BE PROVED WRONG MORE THAN ME. (Always want that next level high haha)

 

[Allylbenzene]

Been there with a very top of the end hyrdo system ran by a professor growing the top strains possible. This was late 90s ... and I do remember it as 'the best weed i ever smoked'.

It sounds like those strains will have had a much richer diversity of terpenes compared to the majority of dispensary stuff nowadays. Having experienced first hand the psychoactive potential of terpenes (via terpene-only mixes I made myself and tried without cannabinoids), they have much potential.

"They" are wrong and suffering from a case of (toxic?) nostalgia. NOONE WOULD LOVE TO BE PROVED WRONG MORE THAN ME. (Always want that next level high haha)

Look at the authentic range of Sativas on the ACE seeds catalogue. Imagine if someone worked with pure "Sativa" varieties and crossed them to maximise their unique psychoactive characteristics. I realise the terms sativa and indica are often misused hence the quotes.

Some examples:

Pure sativa, 18.5% THC

This complex super-sativa is the zenith in our refinement of sativa hybrids. Its legendary lineage perfectly sums up our 20 years of fine breeding work with some of the best tropical sativas on the planet: Malawi and Zamal from the African continent, Panama from Central America, and Thai from South East Asia, combining in this complex sativa variety in an exquisitely balanced and perfectly symphonic way.
THC: 18.49 %
CBD: 0.03-0.04 %
CBG: 1.47-2.55 %

Effects: The first phenotype provides at least 3 hours of guaranteed long-lasting energy and motivation, with a clean finish and hardly any degradation. Strong initial energetic and motivating effect of premium quality, with a very cerebral and clean, expansive head high that clears and intensifies perception and senses. Really powerful: it's hard to finish the joint, and after half an hour you're almost climbing the walls, with intense whirlwinds of thoughts and strong physical agitation. An hour later it starts to calm down and becomes psychologically friendlier, warmer and more playful, but still with a lot of drive. Very suitable for daytime use, for work and activities. In contrast, the psychoactivity of the second phenotype is extremely balanced, elegant, pleasant. Clean, centred and focused, warm and positive, creative and motivating as well as relaxing. It provides mental clarity, a sense of well-being and physical lightness (like levitating on cotton wool), expanding and intensifying the senses, with a distinctive healing effect that runs through body, mind and soul.

Terpene profile: high terpinolene content, moderate amounts of alpha & beta pinene, myrcene, ocimene, limonene, linalool, traces of delta 3 carene & alpha terpinene.
Sesquiterpenes: moderate content in beta caryophyllene humulene, and alpha bisabolol, guaiol and trans nerolidol in small amounts.

Bouquet: Delicious, intoxicating and refined aromas: fruit bubblegum (strawberry, passion fruit, mango, ripe orange and sweet lemon), with flower petals, perfume, musk, liqueur, incense, hashish, lavender, lime blossom, jasmine, and hot-spicy touches... all beautifully balanced and in perfect harmony. Elegant and fine smoke on the palate, markedly lemony, fresh, floral, clean and expansive in the compact plants. More complex, creamy, sweet and fruity in the tall plants. In both cases with cream, banana and sweet-spicy touches.

Pure sativa, 12% THC

This mythical sativa, which has been the starting point for the development of the best hybrids of the past decades, was about to disappear during the 1980s due to the introduction of skunks and indicas in the breeding scene.
Oldtimer’s Haze population has been preserved intact until today by Oldtimer, a british breeder, and then reproduced by our breeders using a wide variety of parental plants.
This pure Haze still preserves the genetic diversity that many present Haze lines have already lost, and it is possible to find phenotypes ranging from the mythic and nearly extinct Purple Haze to the most common Green Haze phenotype, and of course intermediate combinations as well.
THC: 8-12%
CBD: below 0.05%
CBG: 0.16 – 0.23%

Genetics: Stabilized hybrid of different tropical sativas from the 60s and 70s, mainly old Colombian sativas.

High: Stimulating, mental effect. High THC/ low CBD ratio that produces an unlimited effect without ceiling. The green phenotypes produce a more sociable and euphoric effect, while the Purple Haze phenos tend to be more introspective.

Terpene profile: It mainly contains the following monoterpenes: high amounts of beta myrcene (2/3 parts), moderate amounts of trans ocimene and alpha pinene, and variability in the presence of small amounts of beta pinene. Sesquiterpenes: two thirds of beta-caryophyllene and one-third of alpha-humelene in the green phenotype (Green Haze), although the purple phenotype (Purple Haze) shows absence of sesquiterpenes.

Bouquet: Ancient and metallic 'old school' sativa: wood, spice and incense, with ripe tropical fruits in the green expressions, and berries and black liquor in the Purple Haze phenotypes.

Pure sativa, 5% THC

Traditional hash plant from the Rif area near to Ketama and Chefchaouen, famous for producing kif (the traditional blend of cannabis flowers with tobacco) and the famous Moroccan blond hash.
This pure Moroccan strain is one of the fastest psychoactive sativa landraces on the planet, due to its semi autoflowering traits and its very short flowering time.

THC: 2.5-5 %
CBD: 0-2 %
CBG: 0-0.16 %
Genetics: 2nd generation Moroccan pure sativa.

High: Light potency. Cerebral and physically sensual start, which increases and distorts perceptions. Its development increases introspection and inner life, finishing with a pleasant relaxation and sedation, causing the classic “wasted” face and red eyes produced by good Moroccan hashish.

Terpene profile: It mainly contains the following monoterpenes: high amounts of alpha pinene and beta myrcene, followed by beta pinene in smaller quantities. Sesquiterpenes: mainly beta-caryophyllene (2/3 parts) and smaller amounts of alpha-humulene (1/3).

Bouquet: Woody, earthy, spicy and herbal, with 'golden' and honeyed touches, reminiscent of classic Moroccan blond hash.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Jesus, you lot are so fuckin spoilt!

"Legal weed isn't the same as homegrown".

At least you've got a choice ya bunch of ungrateful bastards!

(Jealous UK resident here...)

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

These statistics are all produced by ACE seeds?
I will quickly concede I dont know if I have EVER smoked a 'pure sativa'. "Purple haze" in the late 90's but it was traded for --- god knows what it really was.

That said from what I have experienced I prefer indica more (They are all hybrids now anyways)

I DO NOT KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE --- but it feels like a sativa sales pitch??
I tend to agree someone who had all of the skills and equipment and wanted to focus on idk lets say 24 plants for personal -- they should be able to get that a little better than dispensary grade. (I have not seen in personally though)

I would love to smoke some pure sativa and see if it had any effectual difference

Jesus, you lot are so fuckin spoilt!

"Legal weed isn't the same as homegrown".

At least you've got a choice ya bunch of ungrateful bastards!

(Jealous UK resident here...)

Visit MI - bring some of that groovy fentless dope haha (Joking cuz im sure this is against a rule someplace)

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

These statistics are all produced by ACE seeds?
I will quickly concede I dont know if I have EVER smoked a 'pure sativa'. "Purple haze" in the late 90's but it was traded for --- god knows what it really was.

That said from what I have experienced I prefer indica more (They are all hybrids now anyways)

I DO NOT KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE --- but it feels like a sativa sales pitch??
I tend to agree someone who had all of the skills and equipment and wanted to focus on idk lets say 24 plants for personal -- they should be able to get that a little better than dispensary grade. (I have not seen in personally though)

I would love to smoke some pure sativa and see if it had any effectual difference



Visit MI - bring some of that groovy fentless dope haha (Joking cuz im sure this is against a rule someplace)

Although we don't have much of a problem with fentanyl around these parts (probably because we ain't got Mexico next door), I've heard that nitazines are becoming quite common.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Damn!! The invite still stands; dope aside -- you ever in the weird part of MI (Youll know) hit me up!

That sucks that got nitazenes into the UK! -- no xylazine though right? (That is the worst IMO as opi tolerance does not help)

Cuz im sure visiting the US is right on the top of everyones to do list right now

Haha show up with weed better than I can find and you even can make 50 bones off it.

 

[Allylbenzene]

These statistics are all produced by ACE seeds?

Yes.

That said from what I have experienced I prefer indica more (They are all hybrids now anyways)

I DO NOT KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE --- but it feels like a sativa sales pitch??

They sell both, 'pure sativa' and 'pure indica', and CBD-type varieties adapted for various latitudes. Some of their 'sativa' varieties encompass the best of those 15 week flowering strains into 8-9 weeks which makes them much more convenient to grow. They managed this without introducing so-called indica elements into the mix.

 

[Opana313]

Idk personally the surrounding states that have real THC are fucking great VS the states that DO NOT or only allow THCA or whatever only 30-40 something percent THCdispos suck ass. So I buy the d-8 vape or gummies and yes some suck more than others, but edibles seem to always be solid, the flower?get the fuck outta here. Would rather buy bud from a dealer who got it from CO or CALI just sayin.

Just my opinion

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Right on. This is the point where I have to bow out respectfully not fully knowing if I have ever had a pure sativa strain. (Dont think cuz you said sativa at a dispo you have either lol)

May I ask what a strain you recommend is incase i ever run into it - than I can ask more directly about the genetics?

(Sorry idk why it started underlining, musta clicked somethin)

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Idk personally the surrounding states that have real THC are fucking great VS the states that DO NOT or only allow THCA or whatever only 30-40 something percent THCdispos suck ass. So I buy the d-8 vape or gummies and yes some suck more than others, but edibles seem to always be solid, the flower?get the fuck outta here. Would rather buy bud from a dealer who got it from CO or CALI just sayin.

Just my opinion

Wait so you prefer the THC/A dleta-8 than dispensary weed? Or no you mean dispos in states where weed isn't legal suck? -- didnt know they existed(?) thought you had to headshop or gas station that on the low

Or just edibles over flower.

Idk if it was my reading comprehension but I didnt quite get it

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Yes.


They sell both, 'pure sativa' and 'pure indica', and CBD-type varieties adapted for various latitudes. Some of their 'sativa' varieties encompass the best of those 15 week flowering strains into 8-9 weeks which makes them much more convenient to grow. They managed this without introducing so-called indica elements into the mix.

I remember a fairly obscure study being cited on here somewhere when someone was injected with THC (? new to me) and apparently the anxiety and psychedlic effects were too strong -- but when 1:1'd with CBD they said it was heavenly.

Dont tempt me is what I said lol

 

[Allylbenzene]

May I ask what a strain you recommend is incase i ever run into it - than I can ask more directly about the genetics?

Look at the terpenes. They are imo a much better indicator of genetics. The key signature sativa terpenes are ocimene, phellandrene, terpinolene, valencene, alpha-pinene, cineole, carene. Look for combinations thereof.

If you made a mixture of those 7 terpenes and smoked/vaped or put it in an edible, the outcome would be recreational (feels like psychedelic caffeine) or therapeutic (energising, mood uplift).

 

[Opana313]

My bad @notsmokeymcpot42088

I meant that I do not care for d8 but will take it(by this is I mean vapes or edibles) before I ever buy ANY flower from these shit places. I would much rather get buds from real THC dispensaries like CO or CALI or from a street dealer vs buying d8 or thca flower.

I know as soon as my tounge and throat taste the smoke. D8 or THCA flower taste so fucking nasty compared to a full spectrum...and I started out or was grown up on brick, then dealers started getting mids(low on the seeds) then by high-school chronic or kb made way..I would much rather smoke real bud. But no when I go to Denver I am usually not let down..obviously

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Ok that makes all the sense.

allylbenzene I will look into those terpenes and come back with some theories/evidence idk something -- thank you. A productive direction to take this beyond 'its just better i can't explain it'

 

[Allylbenzene]

I would much rather get buds from real THC dispensaries like CO or CALI or from a street dealer vs buying d8 or thca flower.

For context I'm from the UK. This thca flower thing, it seems to be a specific type of what is essentially regular flower. The same regular flower you'd find in a dispo. Maybe the difference with thca flower is it's been adulterated or grown improperly (not following regulations, weird chemical products etc). Is thca flower specifically sold in informal or unlicensed outlets? Ie not a dispensary.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

THC/A (I dont think im tellin ya anything ya dont know but here we go) converts to THC at an 87% rate when fire is put to it. So 1oo mgs thc = 87 thca

THC/A degrades into THC fairly quickly. So I am thinking harvested early and kept in something airtight? (Grown improperly!)

Yes informal and unlicesnced outlets --- bathsalt type operation. Honestly I bet most of those buds would test over the .3% thc or w/e by the time they sittin on a shelf for awhile.

Anyone involved in the THC/A world feel free to enlighten us classic stoners though!

*Edit* for fun I went and checked the article and it said direct quote "The most sophisticated hydroponic setup that the D.E.A has ever discovered" *Hyperbole for ALL THE POINTS* -- Shit was ahead of its time though. Moving lights, full automation moving lights. Control panel for Co2 humidity and temp --- dude made his own nutrients. 24 plants, 4 rooms with 6 in each. Clones, Veg, Flowering, and mother plants ( I dont recall 6 of those but w/e). PPM, light spectrum -- everything that could be (At the time) was accounted for. Reverse osmosis water -- used the giant basement sink as a reservoir.

The rooms themselves were built into the walls and you had to remove boards and things in the exact right order or it wouldn't come apart -- lol the cops almost elecrecuted themselves SEVERAL times during the raid --- as pa went full electrician and was re-wiring the house and shit lol.

I will forever be impressed -- this was one mans vision and build. Well I checked PH and grabbed some things from Menards --- but until the last couple years I thought we was building a suana lmao