Mushoku_Sensei
Bluelighter
Okay I read a few posts on this topic but ( forgive me if I overlooked anything) I didn't find too much practical advice - aside being careful of OD after successful switch to the SR-17018. Ik it's always difficult because ofc everyone is different as well as the starting point of the intended taper. Ik there's reddit articles but I don't like Reddit and I'm hoping there are people here knowing about it as well 
I'll start with my own experience so far: starting point is/was a very irregular but pm daily use of various opioids. I tapered before from Tapentadol, Tramadol and very short episodes of heroin use (no high doses either). My main issue is that I have always relapsed and usually after less than three days
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So "effective suppression of cravings" really got me and I - probably - managed to get some. Can't be sure since I can't test it and didn't send it anywhere to make sure either. Anyways. Tested 4 mg and had no adverse effects. At ~20 mg 3x a day there was no physical WD. I was just as fine as I would probably have been with 300 mg Tramadol/day as Tramadol works very well for me and when I first started, 100 mg would give me a high for the whole day. So I'm that type.. ATM I would need more like 700-800 mg/day to get that effect, which I obviously don't want to risk (and which is why I'm mixing so much instead). Just saying that to give you an idea of where I'm at when asking about doses.
So 60 mg SR-17018/day was enough - for one day. Then I tried to get high again and just added the SR to the mixery... Which ofc didn't make sense as a strategy. (But there was no subtractive effect either). The point is: while I had no physical WD the cravings were very much present still. Today 20 mg in the morning lasted until 5-6 pm when I noticed first signs of beginning WD, getting tired and cold, joints feeling uneasy, irritation, all light but very clear. It took me until 7:30 before I could redose. 20 mg no effect, back pain started and my digestion too, two hours later 20 mg more didn't make much difference. At 60 mg (redosed sublingually after one hour) I felt hot, my face was flushed, but it took a while for all symptoms to cease.
I know that it's always bad to even let the WD start because I need much more to come out than I would to stay out of it in the first place, but today I just couldn't avoid it.
Now I'm starting to wonder about the peculiarities of this substance. So far I know the flushing mainly from Ket and smoking or shooting H, but there's really no opioid feeling or even much of analgesia. Also having a slight headache.
So: experiences, tips, dose advice?
I'll start with my own experience so far: starting point is/was a very irregular but pm daily use of various opioids. I tapered before from Tapentadol, Tramadol and very short episodes of heroin use (no high doses either). My main issue is that I have always relapsed and usually after less than three days
...So "effective suppression of cravings" really got me and I - probably - managed to get some. Can't be sure since I can't test it and didn't send it anywhere to make sure either. Anyways. Tested 4 mg and had no adverse effects. At ~20 mg 3x a day there was no physical WD. I was just as fine as I would probably have been with 300 mg Tramadol/day as Tramadol works very well for me and when I first started, 100 mg would give me a high for the whole day. So I'm that type.. ATM I would need more like 700-800 mg/day to get that effect, which I obviously don't want to risk (and which is why I'm mixing so much instead). Just saying that to give you an idea of where I'm at when asking about doses.
So 60 mg SR-17018/day was enough - for one day. Then I tried to get high again and just added the SR to the mixery... Which ofc didn't make sense as a strategy. (But there was no subtractive effect either). The point is: while I had no physical WD the cravings were very much present still. Today 20 mg in the morning lasted until 5-6 pm when I noticed first signs of beginning WD, getting tired and cold, joints feeling uneasy, irritation, all light but very clear. It took me until 7:30 before I could redose. 20 mg no effect, back pain started and my digestion too, two hours later 20 mg more didn't make much difference. At 60 mg (redosed sublingually after one hour) I felt hot, my face was flushed, but it took a while for all symptoms to cease.
I know that it's always bad to even let the WD start because I need much more to come out than I would to stay out of it in the first place, but today I just couldn't avoid it.
Now I'm starting to wonder about the peculiarities of this substance. So far I know the flushing mainly from Ket and smoking or shooting H, but there's really no opioid feeling or even much of analgesia. Also having a slight headache
.So: experiences, tips, dose advice?
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That's it yep. Although even the relief it brings is a challenge... For a junky like me lol 