"Mephedrone" sold now

[Mjäll]

I've had kratom tested by wedinos fairly recently and it came back as legit Mitragyna speciosa (It's Latin name.) But the subjective effects are not a patch on the awesome stuff a company based in the Netherlands used to import from the source countries and export to the UK, among many other places, during the legal high era.

Do you mean the one where they mixed in a synthetic opioid (tramadol i think)?

 

[benson7]

In my opinion the meph sold now is 3 MMC as it barely works orally and is less intense nasally, but if you do enough you get where you want to be.

But it's horrible reeking stuff and you have to take so much, one I'm happy to consign to the past.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Do you mean the one where they mixed in a synthetic opioid (tramadol i think)?

Do you have any further information on this?

I used kratom for a while and had a tramadol addiction ten years or so before that. Kratom would always feel like a shitty, dirty opioid to me, not dissimilar to tramadol.

 

[4DQSAR]

Do you mean the one where they mixed in a synthetic opioid (tramadol i think)?

Are you thinking of 'Crystal Kratom' which was O-desmethyl tramadol misrepresented as being mitragynine and/or 7-hydroxymitragynine and/or mitragynine pseudoindoxyl?

Because that is the product that killed a bunch of teenagers and is why the UK government reflexively banned ALL kratom products.

I've pointed this out before but tramadol only costs $40-$80/Kg and the O-demethylation is as simple as refluxing tramadol in hydrobromic acid.

I do keep saying this but so often it's when drugs are misrepresented that people are harmed. On a purely pragmatic basis it would be far safer and far better for all drugs to be sold by pharmacists so only adults could make purchaces, buyers can make informed choices and the products are not misrepresented. I even pointed out that there would almost certainly be individual pharmacists who would not abide by their licences and in the US the DEA would be the obvious organization to check on infractions so nobody gets their rice bowl broken.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I wish I'd had.the luck to get some. 'crystal kratom'.

Otherwise, kratom was krap.

 

[4DQSAR]

I wish I'd had.the luck to get some. 'crystal kratom'.

Otherwise, kratom was krap.

I have never knowingly consumed O-desmethyl tramadol. I did find a small human study that showed 20mg of O-DMT was as active as 100mg of tramadol in terms of it's analgesic activity.

But I'm sure you know tramadol is not one but two isomers. One is essentially a non-rigid codeine analogue but the other monkeys around with extracellular levels of norepinephrine and serotonin. It's the latter that is the more toxic. The BNF points out that tramadol overdoses can present in a totally different way to 'classic' opioids with seizures often being the key symptom.

Elsewhere I've pointed to the patent in which researchers at Grünenthal investigated the activity of the seperate isomers and some far more potent homologues. But at $40-$80/Kg, I cannot work out why nobody has resolved the two isomers and O-demethylated the isomer that is essentially a non-rigid morphine homologue. That alone is x8 more potent. The brave and foolhardy may also wish to fluorinate the tertiary hydroxyl as the product is some x20 more potent. Now I would not, because DAST scares me. In the event of an accident it's going to compete for how it kills you.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I have never knowingly consumed O-desmethyl tramadol. I did find a small human study that showed 20mg of O-DMT was as active as 100mg of tramadol in terms of it's analgesic activity.

But I'm sure you know tramadol is not one but two isomers. One is essentially a non-rigid codeine analogue but the other monkeys around with extracellular levels of norepinephrine and serotonin. It's the latter that is the more toxic. The BNF points out that tramadol overdoses can present in a totally different way to 'classic' opioids with seizures often being the key symptom.

Elsewhere I've pointed to the patent in which researchers at Grünenthal investigated the activity of the seperate isomers and some far more potent homologues. But at $40-$80/Kg, I cannot work out why nobody has resolved the two isomers and O-demethylated the isomer that is essentially a non-rigid morphine homologue. That alone is x8 more potent. The brave and foolhardy may also wish to fluorinate the tertiary hydroxyl as the product is some x20 more potent. Now I would not, because DAST scares me. In the event of an accident it's going to compete for how it kills you.

I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. But kratom was always crap.

 

[4DQSAR]

@Perkins : Reborn - It's possible to convert tramadol into something with activity similar to morphine.

Sorry about that. I struggle to know if I give too much or not enough data and I admit I get it wrong some times.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I never knew you could do anything useful with it. I just found it to be either disappointing or worthless.

 

[Bleaney]

Do you mean the one where they mixed in a synthetic opioid (tramadol i think)?

No I wasn't talking about that. Although I mentioned kratom and ODT at the same time, I was referring to both substances as separate entities, where the same thing happened to both of them, with them subjectively having less enjoyable experiences in later batches. I had forgotten about the kratom mixed with ODT batches.

Although 4DQSAR has already explained about certain batches of kratom that had ODT mixed into them during the RC era, they were called Krypton, and caused several deaths in Sweden. Which presumably is where those batches were most widely available. I never saw Krypton kratom for sale anywhere in the UK, or anywhere that shipped to the UK.

Following on from these deaths, the authorities in the UK were unable to differentiate between those adulterated batches, and unadulaterated batches, and ended up placing a ban, or heavy restrictions on kratom in the UK. Where it's now illegal to sell and import the stuff. But weirdly it doesnt seem to be illegal to posess. According to wikiepedia anyway. I don't think buying it within the country is illegal either. The information about it's legal status in the UK is worded very strangely.

I was talking about the 100% pure kratom (with no additives) that was available during the RC era. The stuff from one particular supplier was fantastic in my experience.

My mood, sociability, confidence, energy, wellbeing, and musical appreciation, all suddenly went to 11 out of 10. It was amazing stuff.

As you've seen above, some others did not rate it, but many did, and it had many devotees.

For unknown reasons, today's stuff, even though it is genuine kratom, is just not very good. It's main function for me these days is to provide a pleasant and significant energy boost (it's closely related to coffee) which it is effective at doing. Todays kratom doesnt do any of the amazing stuff that the 2010s stuff did for me. I dunno if the grows just arent as good, or there's something been fucked up with the genetics or conditions of the crops being grown, but they are definitely lacking the magic of the best stuff. I don't think it's my brain chemistry having changed. I think it's the product itself. Many other people say the same things about current supplies that are easily available in the UK from a certain clearnet vendor. Who shall remain nameless.

I suspect the same thing that's happened to kratom has happened to mephedrone, in terms of it just not being anywhere near as good as it was previously.

I tried many times post ban to acquire what was advertised as pre-ban quality and experience. But it never was. I eventually gave up after probably 5 or 6 attempts from various different suppliers, all saying the same thing.

I doubt if things are any different today. But I may try one more time. I've seen a photo of some product online that certainly looks like pre-ban did. But of course the actual product may not be what is in the photo, and even if it is, I doubt if the effects will be the same as pre-ban.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

Actual pre ban has likely all been gone for years

I read on some bodybullding forum that the new stuff feels just as good as the old stuff plus doesn't make you stink of piss, but I haven't given it a try myself

 

[Psychonauticunt]

I had lab-tested and verified MDMA and MCAT and I am pretty fucking sure that it's not just nostalgia - this shit just isn't the real deal.

The "mephedrone" on the market now is analogous in effect intensity as methylone is to proper MDMA.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Does burn less going up the shnoz compared to the 2009 stuff. Don't know if that's any indication of purity? Obviously the appearance is different but that doesn't mean anything.

Thing is I was around 20 when I was regularly indulging in the preban stuff and had a bit of a habit along with a drinking problem. Now I'm 35-ish rarely drink more than a couple of pints in a single sitting and have only taken mephedrone (or any cathinone) a handful of times in the last decade.

Different brain, different lifestyle, different circumstances; hard to compare objectively.

 

[Psychonauticunt]

Lacking the circuit board mixed with cat pee aroma is a strong sign though.

Doing a really fat line of high quality mcat is amongst the best high I've ever had, if not the best. I'd take it over coke any day of the week.

Tru dat.

And I am VERY hesitant to say it's just me that's changed, not the drug. I was no spring chicken when mephedrone came around and why would it specifically have such diminished effects when other drugs hit me more or less like they used'ta and oughta?

 

[Mjäll]

No I wasn't talking about that. Although I mentioned kratom and ODT at the same time, I was referring to both substances as separate entities, where the same thing happened to both of them, with them subjectively having less enjoyable experiences in later batches. I had forgotten about the kratom mixed with ODT batches.

Although 4DQSAR has already explained about certain batches of kratom that had ODT mixed into them during the RC era, they were called Krypton, and caused several deaths in Sweden. Which presumably is where those batches were most widely available. I never saw Krypton kratom for sale anywhere in the UK, or anywhere that shipped to the UK.

Following on from these deaths, the authorities in the UK were unable to differentiate between those adulterated batches, and unadulaterated batches, and ended up placing a ban, or heavy restrictions on kratom in the UK. Where it's now illegal to sell and import the stuff. But weirdly it doesnt seem to be illegal to posess. According to wikiepedia anyway. I don't think buying it within the country is illegal either. The information about it's legal status in the UK is worded very strangely.

I was talking about the 100% pure kratom (with no additives) that was available during the RC era. The stuff from one particular supplier was fantastic in my experience.

My mood, sociability, confidence, energy, wellbeing, and musical appreciation, all suddenly went to 11 out of 10. It was amazing stuff.

As you've seen above, some others did not rate it, but many did, and it had many devotees.

For unknown reasons, today's stuff, even though it is genuine kratom, is just not very good. It's main function for me these days is to provide a pleasant and significant energy boost (it's closely related to coffee) which it is effective at doing. Todays kratom doesnt do any of the amazing stuff that the 2010s stuff did for me. I dunno if the grows just arent as good, or there's something been fucked up with the genetics or conditions of the crops being grown, but they are definitely lacking the magic of the best stuff. I don't think it's my brain chemistry having changed. I think it's the product itself. Many other people say the same things about current supplies that are easily available in the UK from a certain clearnet vendor. Who shall remain nameless.

I suspect the same thing that's happened to kratom has happened to mephedrone, in terms of it just not being anywhere near as good as it was previously.

I tried many times post ban to acquire what was advertised as pre-ban quality and experience. But it never was. I eventually gave up after probably 5 or 6 attempts from various different suppliers, all saying the same thing.

I doubt if things are any different today. But I may try one more time. I've seen a photo of some product online that certainly looks like pre-ban did. But of course the actual product may not be what is in the photo, and even if it is, I doubt if the effects will be the same as pre-ban.

Yeah that's the one.

Curious thing. I got into kratom a few years ago so i wouldn't know.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Lacking the circuit board mixed with cat pee aroma is a strong sign though.



Tru dat.

And I am VERY hesitant to say it's just me that's changed, not the drug. I was no spring chicken when mephedrone came around and why would it specifically have such diminished effects when other drugs hit me more or less like they used'ta and oughta?

It's always so easy to blame the consumer in these matters.

I'm getting old now and very rarely enjoy drugs as much as I used to. So I tend to blame myself.

But occasionally, I chance upon a batch of MDMA, or crack, or whatever, that just hits that funking sweet spot.

That tells me that I'm not the problem, but fuckin shit drugs are...

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Crack has recovered from its nadir in about 2010-2012. There was one batch that just made me vomit and nothing more.

Heroin is great when it's good, but that's a lottery too.

So yeah, I agree. It's not so much growing out of drugs, it's just that drugs can be extremely unreliable.

 

[Pastel]

I actually just came up with a theory why 4-MMC might have change post-ban. I'll start a new thread. This would probably belong to the advanced chemical discussion, but I lack the necessary standing on this forum.

 

[Bleaney]

I actually just came up with a theory why 4-MMC might have change post-ban. I'll start a new thread. This would probably belong to the advanced chemical discussion, but I lack the necessary standing on this forum.

It shouldn't be about having to build up a personal standing, each post should, and probably does, stand on it's own merits.

Just post it anywhere and ask the mods to move it to wherever they think it best belongs.

 

[matt<3ketamine]

Methylone forever!! Mephedrone Never!!

On that stuff I only stopped masturbating twice a day in order to urinate

"The mind is still solid, but the flesh is weak and spongey!"

I always thought that the first batches sent out were Mephedrone and Methylone mixed? Never got to try methylone by itself. When it went from a fluffy shiney powder we'd get at the head shop, to a more crystalized form, which we'd get from dealers after the shops had shut/hadn't enough money for the shop stuff, and just before the ban happened and people wanted rid of their stock they had just arrived after hearing the bad news and of a possible, coming ban, which happened.
That was the stuff which felt more 'grime-y' and fiendish for, than the euphoric eye-wiggling stuff i remember first trying. From then on: me (and specialK_) were the 2 k-heads, amongst a sea of meph heads lol
I remember one time getting sent a sample from an old vendor that was always 'still dancing' (IYKYK who) after the ban on it came into effect and it barely smelt of cat piss. Took a line = immediately felt wrecked and not in a good way, then a feeling of a 'comedown' mixed with a weird wired jittering. We called it 'the comedown powder' - this was when 4-MEC was getting released and were pretty sure this was what it was, but goodness knows back then, esp without the lab tests we can get done now: it was a guessing game.