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Psychonauticunt

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In the last 18 months I have seen a clear resurgence of mephedrone onto the market (though much smaller scale than before).

Having sampled 2g of alleged 4-MMC from two suppliers, I am convinced neitherof them were 4-MMC, but other similar cathinones.

Different smell, less intense effect - I am skeptical. Experiences?
 
I've had similar experiences.

Obviously, there are 2 possibilities, either it is 4MMC, or it isn't. The only way to know for sure is to send a sample off to Wedinos for testing.

However, I think that even if it does test positive for being 4MMC, it may not have the same effects as the legendary pre-ban did.

It could be similar to a variety of other drugs such as kratom and ODT for example, in as much as even though the products that appeared on the market later on, were what they were supposed to be, but they just did not have the same effects as earlier batches. I've had kratom tested by wedinos fairly recently and it came back as legit Mitragyna speciosa (It's Latin name.) But the subjective effects are not a patch on the awesome stuff a company based in the Netherlands used to import from the source countries and export to the UK, among many other places, during the legal high era.

You've said the smell wasn't the same, so that was an obvious clue of some difference.

I don't know why different batches of the same substances can be better or worse than other batches. Maybe someone else has some ideas on that. I'd be interested to hear them.

The other alternative of course, is that it's not 4MMC at all, just as you suspect, but some 3rd rate substitute such as 3MMC or Clephedrone, w/e that was. Just judging by the name alone that one sounds like a total clanger.
 
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I don't think it ever went away tbh. It was/is so popular in the UK clandestine chemists were on it right after the ban. I've had it from DNM vendors a handful of times over the last 5-ish years and it's not quite as pokey as the preban stuff and looks different (typically yellowish crystals rather than the pure white powder of days gone) but it'll still turn you into a complete degenerate for a couple of hours or days according to preference.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
I don't think it ever went away tbh. It was/is so popular in the UK clandestine chemists were on it right after the ban. I've had it from DNM vendors a handful of times over the last 5-ish years and it's not quite as pokey as the preban stuff and looks different (typically yellowish crystals rather than the pure white powder of days gone) but it'll still turn you into a complete degenerate for a couple of hours or days according to preference.
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How about it's effects on listening to music? I used to love the top notch musical enhancement that pre-ban provided for several hours. Before inevitably being drawn towards 'other things' once I'd had enough music for any one session.
 
One rumour I heard was that the OG MCAT that everyone loved was poorly synthed so had a lot of other impurities in that added to the high

No idea how true this is , but people were saying it
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
One rumour I heard was that the OG MCAT that everyone loved was poorly synthed so had a lot of other impurities in that added to the high

No idea how true this is , but people were saying it
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I doubt that, because it was exactly the same for batch after batch, for at least a couple of years.

If there were impurities or faults in the process, it's unlikely that the smell and the effects would have been identical for so many batches and for such a long time.

The purity used to be stamped on the bags or vendors sites at like 99% or so IIRC, although I guess anyone could claim that, as it wouldnt be easy to prove otherwise.

I think that it's more likely that they are no longer using the same pre-cursors, or some other ingredient, or some part of the process, has been switched. Meaning it's effects just aren't the same, even if somehow it does over all still test positive for being 4MMC.
 
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Testing is your only answer.

I wonder how much influence nostalgia has; we were all fifteen years younger and this was a new, exciting and legal way of getting high after a couple of years of shitty pip pills. It was never that great really.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
I wonder how much influence nostalgia has; we were all fifteen years younger and this was a new, exciting and legal way of getting high after a couple of years of shitty pip pills. It was never that great really.
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I guess the lack of easy availability of decent stimulants before mephedrone hit the scene did play a part.

But even considering that, my subjective experience of pre-ban mephedrone was still that it was a fantastic experience. Personally I'd put it at a tie for 1st place with the high quality / high potency speed that used to be easily available to uni students in the early to mid 90s, once you'd connected with a couple of hash / weed dealers who dealt to students.. If they couldn't get you the speed themselves they'd put you on to someone who could.

Speed was amazing in those days. But I was absolutely shocked (in a good way) as to how good mephedrone actually was, especially considering that it was 100% legal etc.

And with the advantage of hindsight too, I personally don't think there's been any stimulant (RC or otherwise) that could match mephedrone or speed, for the sheer recreational enjoyment they provided.

I have very deliberately never tried crack or crystal meth. (But there's not many other stimulants that I haven't tried.) They may be better or worse drugs than the stimulants I have tried. Not sure if 'better' or 'worse' categories are too simplistic, as obviously those substances are a big step up in terms of potential addictive properties and problem use. I suspect I may have loved the effects, but in whatever lifetime or reality I may have opted to use them, I can't see that any journey down those particular roads ending with anything but an horiffic car crash for me. As enjoyable as meph and speed were, I was able to resist and stop when necessary. Although this was getting more and more difficult by the time I'd gotten through all of the meph stash that I'd bought in the pre-ban sales.

I thought 17g would last me years or at least months. It may have done if I'd only used it for going out to gigs etc as per my original plan. But once I started using it at home alone, listening to music etc, then it became a lot more compulsive, and my stash was consumed very quickly.
 
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Bleaney said:
I guess the lack of easy availability of decent stimulants before mephedrone hit the scene did play a part.

But even considering that, my subjective experience of pre-ban mephedrone was still that it was a fantastic experience. Personally I'd put it at a tie for 1st place with the high quality / high potency speed that used to be easily available to uni students in the early to mid 90s, once you'd connected with a couple of hash / weed dealers who dealt to students.. If they couldn't get you the speed themselves they'd put you on to someone who could.

Speed was amazing in those days. But I was absolutely shocked (in a good way) as to how good mephedrone actually was, especially considering that it was 100% legal etc.

And with the advantage of hindsight too, I personally don't think there's been any stimulant (RC or otherwise) that could match mephedrone or speed, for the sheer recreational enjoyment they provided.

I have very deliberately never tried crack or crystal meth. (But there's not many other stimulants that I haven't tried.) They may be better or worse drugs than the stimulants I have tried. Not sure if 'better' or 'worse' categories are too simplistic, as obviously those substances are a big step up in terms of potential addictive properties and problem use. I suspect I may have loved the effects, but in whatever lifetime or reality I may have opted to use them, I can't see that any journey down those particular roads ending with anything but an horiffic car crash for me. As enjoyable as meph and speed were, I was able to resist and stop when necessary. Although this was getting more and more difficult by the time I'd gotten through all of the meph stash that I'd bought in the pre-ban sales.

I thought 17g would last me years or at least months. It may have done if I'd only used it for going out to gigs etc as per my original plan. But once I started using it at home alone, listening to music etc, then it became a lot more compulsive, and my stash was consumed very quickly.
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It takes a certain kind of philistine to even put medical amphetamine in the same bracket as mepehdrone.
 
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These kind of discussions about which drugs are superior seem kind of pointless, it's only ever one person's subjective experience and opinion.

A person can't be wrong for having a different preference to someone else. I get it that you didn't rate mephedrone very highly. But other people did.

I enjoyed mephedrone just as much as I enjoyed what I'm assuming was high quality / high potency speed. That's all I'm saying.

If that makes me a philistine in your estimation, then I am absolutely hunky dory with that.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Testing is your only answer.

I wonder how much influence nostalgia has; we were all fifteen years younger and this was a new, exciting and legal way of getting high after a couple of years of shitty pip pills. It was never that great really.
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Methylone forever!! Mephedrone Never!!

On that stuff I only stopped masturbating twice a day in order to urinate
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Testing is your only answer.

I wonder how much influence nostalgia has; we were all fifteen years younger and this was a new, exciting and legal way of getting high after a couple of years of shitty pip pills. It was never that great really.
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Doing a really fat line of high quality mcat is amongst the best high I've ever had, if not the best. I'd take it over coke any day of the week.
 
I was always felt mephedrone was quite a good option on the basis that it's so cheap and simple to make, it was unlikely someone would attempt to misrepresent another compound AS mephedone.

BUT I have only recently been made aware of 4CMC i.e. the labile para methyl is simply swapped for a para chloro moiety. That labile methyl is the main metabolic pathway for mephedrone with it being oxidized to the carboxylic acid, gluconated and removed. But that isn't the case for the chloro homologue.

I have linked to recent (2025) studies of 4CMC which demonstrate at least two discrete toxicities. BUT I don't know if a regular mephedrone would notice the difference and if new users would simply assume that the drug misrepresented as mephedrone IS mephedrone.

I mean honestly, it's over a decade and the best vendors can think of is the obvious but many-red-flags homologue?

I did note that para ethynyl cathinone WAS being sold as a ligand by one supplier and one assumes they wouldn't sell it UNLESS it WAS a ligand. We know from related scaffolds that the two para substituents that produce significant SERT activity are the thiomethoxy (as in 4MTA) which clearly has it's own set of many-red-flags but the ethynyl that was used as a ligand? That one has yet to turn up. If I had to guess I would say cost was the reason. I mean, there are also pseudohalogens but IF I had to guess, the para ethynyl would seem the rational way to produce a better product.
 
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