ARTICLE: '7-OH, kratom, and the criminalization of pain relief in America'

[GooberDoober]

Grab your popcorn if your outside the states cause in this next decade we are going to put on quite a show, not sure what it is all about yet, but I might be heading back down to Belize, or maybe to visit family in Europe depending on how serious we get about our devotion to the history of the roman empire.

 

[paranoid android]

I'm going to be honest, my country (usa) is fucked. We are comically uneducated and mostly seriously stupid, and we are barreling towards some shit most of these idiots dont understand. I actually agree somewhat with what your saying, but I also think that after the migrants are kicked out, the economy will be fucked up so they are planning to put homeless people in "work camps" to "clean up the streets". I think these idiots think they can replace the migrants with drugged up homeless slaves essentially. So I sorta think they want to do whatever to increase homelessness as well (for more potential slaves). We'll see, Im just throwing out my conspiracy theories now, I will also say these people (my people) are so fucking stupid that it almost certainly won't work, just another recession, doesn't mean shit to me, I bulk ordered my drugs years ago, I already like the taste of rice and beans. Ive seen it before, etc.

They are opening up that c amp in Utah arent they? I think thers a involuntary homeless camp opening up there anyway. They have a name for this in Ireland its called interment without trial

 

[TinFoilFez]

I greatly appreciate your replying and your advice on how to get through this situation I've found myself in. I'm still in shock that this is legally available, I seriously had no idea what this product could do, it's the same as a prescription opioid. I have MS and yes it definitely helps with pain and my loss of energy, but given the opportunity I'd go back to how I was before I started taking this stuff. I feel so ashamed of myself for getting into this trap, I'm a 63 year old woman who has never been addicted to anything>......but yet here I am. I'm a widow and nobody knows what I'm going through, I'll be doing this alone

Hey - you still hanging in there? I'm a 60yo woman too and just got off 7OH after having taken it for a couple of weeks. I suggest a very slow taper. Don't cold turkey it like I did. There's no reason to be that hard on yourself. Even after just two weeks it was ridiculous hard (!). The restlessness in the middle of the night when the entire house was asleep was worse than any sickies I ever got. In and out of the bathtub FIVE TIMES in three hours, lol. I was so nuts.

Distractions are the thing! Diver the brain. Distract the mind. Funny videos. Video games are a wonderful distraction and today, there's no "game playing" stigma for we older folks. It's therapy for me so I tell them to shove their opinions. They don't live in my body or head.

You're a 60 yo playing within parameters that you had nothing to do with setting. They want to judge you - tell them to FO unless they have an actual answer for you. You should NEVER feel ashamed. You've done the right thing by coming here. If you want to email me, feel free. I'm nursing a dying bunny so I'm up all hours of the night and day. [email protected]

 

[deficiT]

I am wanting to stop taking 7 oh, someone please tell me what to expect and how to do it with minimal discomfort because I have to work. Ive gotten down to 100 mg a day. I've only been taking it for about 4 months. I'm blown away that this is sold legally,I've never been an addict, but I have a serious medical condition and can't get pain medication that helps, this does but it's absolutely ruing my life because it's so expensive even though it helps a great deal. Please let me know how to lesaen the withdrawals, I've heard horror stories on tick tock.

Continue to taper your dose down slowly day by day, and put greater and greater amounts of time between doses and the intensity of the withdrawal will begin to dissipate. If you really want to stop taking it completely though, eventually you will have to just exercise some discipline and not take it at all and go through an uncomfortable couple days. There's no magic remedy for that really. It can be difficult when you have health problems that it helps with. It's very easy to rationalize it in your mind and take it but you have to just not, ultimately. Focus your mind on doing something productive and you can distract yourself enough to get through it. Improving your diet, exercising regularly, and meditation will go a long way towards avoiding opioid use.

There are a couple things that can help get through the worst parts of withdrawal. Anti-inflammatories such as ibuprofen and black seed oil can help with the physical symptoms and discomfort. Regular kratom powder, kava, and CBD can help with the mental aspect & the anxiety from the withdrawal.

No surprise there's a bunch of horror stories on tik tok. Most of social media is just people fear mongering and being dramatic for clicks.

Not sure why you think it should be illegal though. That doesn't seem fair to all of the people that use it for their own health issues, and take it safely with no issues. Fentanyl and xylazine kill hundreds of people every week. 7-OH is not even in the same league in regards to safety or the intensity of the withdrawal from it.

To me it seems like the primary concern you have with it is the lack of access to decent pain management, which causes you to spend too much money self medicating. Of course, that shouldn't even be a real problem, people with chronic health conditions should have affordable/free access to the medicine they need legally. But it's easier for the government to just ignore the root cause of issues and pretend that it's the drug itself causing the problem, make it illegal, and force more people back onto deadly street drugs and the black market.

 

[deficiT]

Meanwhile, there's a dozen new replacement chemicals with worse safety profiles just waiting for the ban to go through that the drug market will release.

And this cycle just continues to happen and politicians keep missing the point, the useful and more therapeutic drugs get banned in the stupefied moral frenzy and the bodies keep piling up. The rich keep getting richer and new medicines aren't researched properly, unless they're invented and patented by a big pharmaceutical company.

 

[theslackernews]

Meanwhile, there's a dozen new replacement chemicals with worse safety profiles just waiting for the ban to go through that the drug market will release.

And this cycle just continues to happen and politicians keep missing the point, the useful and more therapeutic drugs get banned in the stupefied moral frenzy and the bodies keep piling up. The rich keep getting richer and new medicines aren't researched properly, unless they're invented and patented by a big pharmaceutical company.

Not sure they're missing the point rather than cruelty and death being the point.

 

[jasperkent]

I firmly believe that all drugs should be legal and strictly regulated for purity & potency.. Obviously there should be laws concerning availability to minors, impaired driving, & public intoxication.

Banning 7-OH won't affect me personally, since I never touch the stuff. But I'm against it in principle & it may be a slippery slope-- I'd hate to see a ban on kratom leaf.

So yeah, count me in as a staunch opponent to any more restrictive drug legislation.

 

[tarman]

So I'm just going to make a random post, but the 70H and pseudoindoxyl (or whatever it's called) is absolutely going to make Kratom as a whole illegal.

I resisted trying the extracts for a while, but then the entire headshop wall was covered in them. I tried the OPIA and 15mg (half a pill) was enough to get me itchy, almost nodding, and a real clean high. I couldn't believe it. But, the worst part was that, after 2 days of doing it, the comedown/acute withdrawal was severe. Like, really severe.

I fully support Kratom as an alternative to Methadone and Suboxone, but scientists need to figure out the balance. It won't be long. Now, it could be true that it doesn't lower respiration like 'real' opiates, but damn, I was surprised how strong it was. I also tried the dopium brand.

Good ol' kratom powder, straight from the plant, you can wittle yourself down and taper. But these extracts- it's going to be the end. I mean, Kratom's illegal in Vermont of all places. Just think about that.

Yeah, get it while you can, because it won't be long now. Not long at all.

 

[GooberDoober]

So I'm just going to make a random post, but the 70H and pseudoindoxyl (or whatever it's called) is absolutely going to make Kratom as a whole illegal.

I resisted trying the extracts for a while, but then the entire headshop wall was covered in them. I tried the OPIA and 15mg (half a pill) was enough to get me itchy, almost nodding, and a real clean high. I couldn't believe it. But, the worst part was that, after 2 days of doing it, the comedown/acute withdrawal was severe. Like, really severe.

I fully support Kratom as an alternative to Methadone and Suboxone, but scientists need to figure out the balance. It won't be long. Now, it could be true that it doesn't lower respiration like 'real' opiates, but damn, I was surprised how strong it was. I also tried the dopium brand.

Good ol' kratom powder, straight from the plant, you can wittle yourself down and taper. But these extracts- it's going to be the end. I mean, Kratom's illegal in Vermont of all places. Just think about that.

Yeah, get it while you can, because it won't be long now. Not long at all.

I agree that its a possibility and issue, but one thing I would be positive about is that the FDA has been looking into this stuff and actually recommended against banning kratom and instead focusing on the extracts. It could shift with the right propaganda, but I think the combo of now very wealthy kratom lobbyists and proper information make a full federal ban unlikely. You never know though.

 

[TinFoilFez]

I agree that its a possibility and issue, but one thing I would be positive about is that the FDA has been looking into this stuff and actually recommended against banning kratom and instead focusing on the extracts. It could shift with the right propaganda, but I think the combo of now very wealthy kratom lobbyists and proper information make a full federal ban unlikely. You never know though.

According to one smoke shop I go to, the extracts are already illegal to sell. All the other smoke shops still sell it. AND - I bought some 7OH from one of them.

The problem with all these restrictions, as you can see, is they're not taken seriously by the shop owners. They know their clientele, what their clientele wants, and they know they won't be ratted out by them. It's like a literal 'on the corner real drug store.' One guy literally brought out a box of all the illegal stuff the cops just took off their shelves (but didn't confiscate). He just let me pick through the box, getting what I want. I don't want to say its a joke, but shop-keeper/client relationship means a lot for some of these shop owners and they're giving up the goods. Get to know them

 

[Germ91886]

I am wanting to stop taking 7 oh, someone please tell me what to expect and how to do it with minimal discomfort because I have to work. Ive gotten down to 100 mg a day. I've only been taking it for about 4 months. I'm blown away that this is sold legally,I've never been an addict, but I have a serious medical condition and can't get pain medication that helps, this does but it's absolutely ruing my life because it's so expensive even though it helps a great deal. Please let me know how to lesaen the withdrawals, I've heard horror stories on tick tock.

If you're taking 7oh daily, repeat times- the only thing I can tell you to help is do a taper if possible... It's going to suck either way- but I'm telling you if you taper any substance (that is addictive) you will be doing yourself a great service vs cold turkey... Still sucks, but the intensity of it goes down... You just gotta make it thru one week. You'd be back to feeling normal in a weeks time. It's totally worth it too. Just clear a week in your calendar and prepare to be sick, but you can get through it. Think about how much money you'd have in your pocket right now if you didn't have to buy 7oh...

 

[Germ91886]

I greatly appreciate your replying and your advice on how to get through this situation I've found myself in. I'm still in shock that this is legally available, I seriously had no idea what this product could do, it's the same as a prescription opioid. I have MS and yes it definitely helps with pain and my loss of energy, but given the opportunity I'd go back to how I was before I started taking this stuff. I feel so ashamed of myself for getting into this trap, I'm a 63 year old woman who has never been addicted to anything>......but yet here I am. I'm a widow and nobody knows what I'm going through, I'll be doing this alone

Also, if it gets unbearable, you can always go to the ER. Once you've been seen they'll accommodate you. Just tell them you need to be medically detoxed and they set you up somewhere. They monitor you and give you stuff to alleviate your symptoms, or take the edge off. I've done this before, I was at a facility for 3 days before I went to rehab. Went to the ER, got put into a place called lifeworks, where i kicked dope for the most part... Those first 3 days (all of which was medically monitored) were intense... Not gonna lie, that was a traumatizing situation lol. I was violently sick and kicking hard those first 3 days... But then the kicking stopped and I was good pretty much. Still felt like ass but once the kicking stopped it was tolerable... I've detoxed off heroin/fentanyl, and 7oh was like the answer to my appetite, bc I was thinking I was "clean", right? Like I'm only taking some kratom tablets, not doing dope right? Lol but I had myself fooled... I was taking 800-1200 mg a day, spending stupid amounts of money (like I have a good job, I make a decent living- but I was blowing thru almost everything. I realized how hard 7oh really is when I stopped taking it... Felt just like being dope sick 100%...

 

[puke]

Woah, dang how you manage to get to 800-1200mg Kratom?

 

[Them Witches]

Word to the wise, most 7-OH (new batches) now is being sold watered down because they know on January 1st 2026 it will be banned. They are taking your money people.

Even Opia the best brand sucks now. I bought 1000mg the other day and I could not even feel it. Which is odd because normally 500mg I could fell it.

 

[GooberDoober]

Word to the wise, most 7-OH (new batches) now is being sold watered down because they know on January 1st 2026 it will be banned. They are taking your money people.

Even Opia the best brand sucks now. I bought 1000mg the other day and I could not even feel it. Which is odd because normally 500mg I could fell it.

The only places to still get it are the few reputable online brands that do some testing. Yeah other gas station brands are even shittier than ever, even the few that used to be decent. If its not a powder that comes with "labs" its probably not going to do much.

 

[Them Witches]

The only places to still get it are the few reputable online brands that do some testing. Yeah other gas station brands are even shittier than ever, even the few that used to be decent. If its not a powder that comes with "labs" its probably not going to do much.

I knew something was wrong. It is hard to fool the opioid tolerant. Turning the page on 7-OH.

 

[Germ91886]

Word to the wise, most 7-OH (new batches) now is being sold watered down because they know on January 1st 2026 it will be banned. They are taking your money people.

Even Opia the best brand sucks now. I bought 1000mg the other day and I could not even feel it. Which is odd because normally 500mg I could fell it.

I knew it was coming man... There's gonna be a lot of sick puppies come the new year. I'm glad I got to experience it, and it's a shame considering it doesn't cause respiratory depression ... I knew that wouldn't last, either big pharma ain't having it or they want to monopolize it... No way it goes schedule 1.

 

[Them Witches]

either big pharma ain't having it or they want to monopolize it... No way it goes schedule 1.

BIg pharma dropped the ball on 7-OH. I keep saying that it should be made with a IR outer-shell and ER inner core.
Again 7-OH, would be great for patients that cannot tolerate traditional opioids.

 

[Germ91886]

BIg pharma dropped the ball on 7-OH. I keep saying that it should be made with a IR outer-shell and ER inner core.
Again 7-OH, would be great for patients that cannot tolerate traditional opioids.

That sounds like a good idea...

 

[Mycophile]

California as a whole has not banned regular kratom powder, though there are counties and cities in Southern California that have, such as San Diego and Orange County. There are statewide proposals to regulate it in certain ways, like child proof packaging , no sale to anyone under 21, limits on 7 oh content in powder. And I think that confiscations of 7 oh are happening in some areas. But overall, kratom is legal

I'd be pretty surprised if a state as liberal as California banned Kratom. I really hope they don't, especially cause that might influence NY where I am. I've been careful not to touch 7-OH, just plain leaf powder and regular extracts like OPMS black but that's nowhere near as bad as 7-OH. I'm glad I heard about it hear before it showed up at my headshop or I'd probably have bought it.

Not entirely related, but I'm just wondering, which do you (or anyone else) think has worse WD overall, 7-OH or oxycodone/hydrocodone?