News FDA seeks to classify 7-OH as Schedule 1

My concern is that regular kratom may get caught up in this. 7-OH is a totally different beast than standard raw kratom. I'm really not in favor of total bans on any substance, but kratom itself, while not harmless, is just not comparable to 7-oh despite their chemical relationship.
 
SotPoker1012 said:
My concern is that regular kratom may get caught up in this. 7-OH is a totally different beast than standard raw kratom. I'm really not in favor of total bans on any substance, but kratom itself, while not harmless, is just not comparable to 7-oh despite their chemical relationship.
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Exactly.
Nothing is totally harmless if overused. Drinking too much water has killed people. Personally, I think all drugs should be legal for adults. But some drugs carry greater risks than others and a lot of people are terribly misinformed about many of them. Often it is so-called authority figures (leaders in government & corporations) that push the misinformation the most.
 
How dumb are they? Hey you all are we going to “get blindsided” by another opiate epidemic while we are still in the first one by a drug that successfully treats opiate use disorder?

That one dimwit can’t even talk and I bet that’s tobacco related.. idiots you just can’t escape them.
 
Damn I just learned about this substance on my return to BL after some months. They moving fast.
Quasimoto said:
kratom legal? How the fuck is that going to work if kratom has detectable levels of 7oh
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Thanks for clarifying my thoughts that 7oh was a derivative of kratom. As posted freakin just heard of it.
Wonder if this will actually be another grab at kratom from FDA/DEA?
 
SotPoker1012 said:
My concern is that regular kratom may get caught up in this. 7-OH is a totally different beast than standard raw kratom. I'm really not in favor of total bans on any substance, but kratom itself, while not harmless, is just not comparable to 7-oh despite their chemical relationship.
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Quasimoto said:
They want to schedule 7oh but keep regular kratom legal? How the fuck is that going to work if kratom has detectable levels of 7oh in it naturally?

Who the hell is running this country?
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Based on a thread in the r/kratom sub - a few people listened to pressor from the DEA and seemed to indicate that what was being targeted for control would be synthetic or semi-synthetic formulations, but plain leaf would be exempt. It actually seemed like a sensible approach given that synthetic pressed tabs are being sold which contain high doses of 7-oh and pseudo which are what's causing this issue to come back up again.

The DEA moved away from scheduling kratom all together in 2016 - I actually consulted with my congressional representative's health advisor to advocate for him to sign the letter opposing scheduling. The DEA moving to emergency schedule and then changing course ultimately was a pretty big deal. Them bringing attention to 7-oh shows that it's become increasingly problematic. Given what I've read and experienced the few times I have tried it myself, I can understand why it is causing concern. I also have tried it a few times knowing that it's not to be taken lightly and that it would be much more likely to cause issues than plain leaf - plenty of people have less awareness around the risks associated with using it.

The industry got greedy and we are honestly lucky that they are looking to exempt the plant itself from the ban.

I really wish there was more risk reduction as part of head shop culture. The fact that I can buy tanks of nitrous, 7-oh, poppers, high dose zyns (12+mg) all in one visit, and have the person selling it to me have no clue what they're even selling, is alarming. As an informed user I am aware of what I'm taking and how to do so in a way that I consider safe to myself and others around me, but there are plenty of people who have no clue.
 
Yeah a bottle of 35mg tabs vs 14mg tab/s..most places you can buy a single and honestly to me this drug is another tool that can be harnessed for opioid wd for addicts or chronic pain patients.

YES, I believe it's easy to find yourself taking too much. And that's the thing, I see this as a maintenance drug..I can stay off bupe, or oxy/skip days when normally I wouldn't..which ultimately can help with a taper plan..just like ppl do with plain leaf..this is emergency stuff. This is save your fucking back shit(for those tolerant to opioids to an extent maybe?)...you know your doc won't, or at least a hard time even during a severe pain situation.

I understand the worry about it's abuse potential but if you stick to half a tablet(like it suggests, 2 servings) and only once a week or every other- month(think mdma T-breaks but shorter?), BRINGS a significant tool.
But yeah ran into a shop that pulled it because they obviously had a high dose and they recognized the issue immediately.
 
Fuck the AKA.

They made this suggestion In order to protect kratom.

What’s going to happen is a huge amount of people are going to become sick as soon as the shops clear their inventory.

Some people will still get theirs online. But what I would bet as the absolute outcome.

I’d say that people are going to try home synthesis until kratom gets its ban.

This move was self defeating and stupid.

Fuck the aka
 
ions said:
DMT is a schedule I substance. But hypothesized to exist in human brains. and like every plant specie on the planet.
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Aye and every piss test that is dirty contains traces of controlled substances those get mailed around. Should we arrest the coroners and the drug test people (the latter YES) -- or just LET IT GO.

I remember this same discussion regarding poppy pods. Left them alone noone would be taking kratom. Could have saved alot of time and money.

Wasn't everyone's big objection that 7oh would get kratom outlawed -- only 7 oh right? Though with synths its a matter of time before they yank the leaves too.

I've been saying stock up since about the day I heard it existed - now do I follow my own advice; different question. Jumps in car and heads to smoke shop lol
 
Right I am about to stock the fuck up on leaf, powdered leaf, capsules, and 70h because I believe you're right. Shoot I need to check out this tianeptine stuff too..although that's just for pure curiosity. But yeah I just need like a bathtub full of red vein/ maeng da and I'll be..content?
Wish I could save pills like that. It's getting easier with saving benzos bc I only take them when I really need them instead of taking them to stack on top of shit.
I wish I had a Shulgin stash of growing hallucinogens(along with the lab lol), buds growing everywhere and poppy plants, and medicine cabinet that never ends..

Really wish someone would find the key to narcotic withdrawal, I think if you can eliminate the acute mental and physical, then dependency wouldn't be as big of a problem.
 
You read that thread about SR ??? -- An opioid RC said to bind to the g protein (beyond me) and therefor be a way to almost get off opiates w/d free. Ill believe it when I feel it but the thread is worth a peep. Of course this is addressing physical.

Mentally I think it is just human to need to blow the steam valves off every now and than --- how you do that is totally up to you *Long as you don't harm anyone etc* lol

haha def had what SHOULD HAVE BEEN a life time supply of benzos but I uhh messed up bad. Still made it almost 10 yrs though and 5g (not a small amount) was stolen from me. All in all next time I'd do it again but not drive my tolerance through the roof.

I am damned to live in PAWS I think and that happens when you do things like I did -- but its not like I'm hating life -- or like I have went down to sober completely (That was redundant wasn't it)
 
jasperkent said:
What pisses me off is how easily people lump kratom leaf and 7-OH into the same "evil" category.
It takes me back to the 60s & 70s when idiots (both public & private) declared weed, acid, heroin, and coke as basically the same thing--
"It's all dope"
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Smh exactly !!!
 
I want to offer a personal perspective that I think highlights the importance of nuance in this discussion.

7-OH played a significant role in helping me transition off more dangerous opioids. In that regard, it truly was a lifesaver. However, I also want to be transparent — I quickly developed a dependence on it and found myself spending over $1,200 a month just to avoid withdrawal. It became unsustainable and, frankly, just as problematic as what I was trying to escape.

That said, I do believe 7-OH has legitimate potential in pain management and opioid harm reduction, but only when used responsibly and with full awareness of its potency. It is not the same as plain kratom leaf, and treating it as such is both misleading and dangerous.

As for traditional kratom leaf, I used it for years — even at relatively high doses — and never experienced significant withdrawals when taking breaks or stopping cold turkey. Maybe some mild fatigue or mood shifts, but nothing resembling the dependency or withdrawal profile of 7-OH or opioids.

Lumping kratom leaf and 7-OH into the same category oversimplifies a complex issue. It’s similar to how, in decades past, cannabis, LSD, and heroin were all labeled as “dope” without understanding their vastly different effects, risks, and applications.

The bottom line: context, education, and responsible use matter. Not all substances — even those derived from the same plant — are created equal, and we need to treat these conversations with the nuance they deserve.
 
gymguy30 said:
I want to offer a personal perspective that I think highlights the importance of nuance in this discussion.

7-OH played a significant role in helping me transition off more dangerous opioids. In that regard, it truly was a lifesaver. However, I also want to be transparent — I quickly developed a dependence on it and found myself spending over $1,200 a month just to avoid withdrawal. It became unsustainable and, frankly, just as problematic as what I was trying to escape.

That said, I do believe 7-OH has legitimate potential in pain management and opioid harm reduction, but only when used responsibly and with full awareness of its potency. It is not the same as plain kratom leaf, and treating it as such is both misleading and dangerous.

As for traditional kratom leaf, I used it for years — even at relatively high doses — and never experienced significant withdrawals when taking breaks or stopping cold turkey. Maybe some mild fatigue or mood shifts, but nothing resembling the dependency or withdrawal profile of 7-OH or opioids.

Lumping kratom leaf and 7-OH into the same category oversimplifies a complex issue. It’s similar to how, in decades past, cannabis, LSD, and heroin were all labeled as “dope” without understanding their vastly different effects, risks, and applications.

The bottom line: context, education, and responsible use matter. Not all substances — even those derived from the same plant — are created equal, and we need to treat these conversations with the nuance they deserve.
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Bullshit. Kratom has fucked up withdrawals for people taking even a gram a day for more than a year.

It’s awful. You’ll shit. You’ll feel bad constantly. No sleep whatsoever. Need time off from work.

To kratom a credit. No matter the duration
Of use. Once you take your last dose. Most people feel physically well at about two weeks. But most people experience a worsening of symptoms to a height at day six
 
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