Tryptamines Has anyone seen any real 4-aco-dmt?

[saduncan]

The older batches were definitely cleaner and more reliable. Nowadays, it feels like a lot of what’s out there is cut or just poorly made. The nausea is a real bummer too. Wish someone would bring back the good quality stuff without the crazy price hike.

 

[Ismene2]

I think it's worth mentioning that this seems to be a pretty idiosyncratic response. Or, at least, I've only ever seen you say something like that about 4-aco-dmt. Since it has been (and continues to be) such a popular chemical for such a long time, that's worth a pause for consideration.

I assume you are telling your truth, so what gives? Is it possible that no one else sampled it at such high dosages? Seems unlikely, but it's possible. Or maybe your response to it is just different from most people? More likely IMO. Or maybe someone else can jump in and say that I'm wrong and that other people have reported similar?

IMO it's worth pairing that idiosyncratic response with your claim that the stuff available today is not as good as the old stuff (which, again, is something no one else has ever claimed as far as I know). It reminds me of when I used to be obsessed with "finding good MXE again." I purchased so many batches of MXE (you have no idea) over so many years and cursed how good stuff wasn't available any more. Finally I had to admit that maybe it wasn't the MXE that had changed but me. (Unrelated: Haven't touched a dissociative in several years and quite happy for that.)

Good luck.

Yeah I've only heard a couple of people say they enjoyed it in high doses. Perhaps people are scared to dose high because DMT has a "reputation" of being formidable? I dunno. I always enjoyed mushrooms in high doses too - 10-20 dried grams and more. I know a lot of people just see the "dosage advice" of 4-aco at 10mg and think that's as high as you can go - but why wouldn't you take bigger doses? There's no side-effects at high doses is there? Certainly not physically - it feels a LOT better at 300mg than at 30mg - tons more euphoria. Never noticed any side effects whatsoever so I dunno why people dose so low. If I dosed a massive dose of LSD it would be really physically uncomfortable but not 4-aco - the more you take the better it gets.

Similar kind of point regarding the grey shit - perhaps at low doses you don't notice the terrible nausea? But I've always known the grey was a shit synthesis - I first encountered it back when you could still get white/tan 4-aco and ever after I remember asking every vendor "What colour is your 4-aco cos the grey is fucking shit". You couldn't take a dose of grey shit more than 50mg because you would be vomiting for 10 hours.

Doesn't it being a different colour suggest a different synthesis/cut? If someone offered you black cocaine wouldn't you be suspicious? What other explanation could there be? Why can I take 500mg of white 4-aco and be dancing all day whereas 50mg of the grey shit 4-aco and I'm laid on my back too scared to move for vomiting? How can they be the same drug?

 

[Ismene2]

The older batches were definitely cleaner and more reliable. Nowadays, it feels like a lot of what’s out there is cut or just poorly made. The nausea is a real bummer too. Wish someone would bring back the good quality stuff without the crazy price hike.

The white/tan 4-aco is a completely different drug to the grey shit. There's no comparison. If someone offered me grey 4-aco-dmt for free I still wouldn't take it. Real 4-aco-dmt is my favourite drug on fucking earth.

I think its just in the UK they charge a fortune for grey 4-aco - in the USA I think its less than half the UK price and thats the real white/tan 4-aco

 

[Listening]

There's no side-effects at high doses is there? Certainly not physically - it feels a LOT better at 300mg than at 30mg - tons more euphoria. Never noticed any side effects whatsoever so I dunno why people dose so low...

I guess you're also suggesting that the crazy high doses don't have a disproportionately large amount of mind-fuckery? I.e. it remains clear? I guess I'll have to give it a go one of these days. I've never tried more than 40mg (and looking at my notes they say "try more"). Frankly I've never taken a particularly heroic does of any psychedelic thus far.

Doesn't it being a different colour suggest a different synthesis/cut?

Oh definitely. Different synthesis, even by same method, may end up with different impurities, etc. Have had a bunch of batches that looked quite different from each other, but felt the same to me. Then again, I'm in Canada, so I guess we're getting different batches.

...Perhaps people are scared to dose high because DMT has a "reputation" of being formidable? ...

I assume that you mean 4-aco-dmt, which is of course quite different from "DMT" which always refers to n,n-DMT.

 

[Ismene2]

I guess you're also suggesting that the crazy high doses don't have a disproportionately large amount of mind-fuckery? I.e. it remains clear? I guess I'll have to give it a go one of these days. I've never tried more than 40mg (and looking at my notes they say "try more"). Frankly I've never taken a particularly heroic does of any psychedelic thus far.


Oh definitely. Different synthesis, even by same method, may end up with different impurities, etc. Have had a bunch of batches that looked quite different from each other, but felt the same to me. Then again, I'm in Canada, so I guess we're getting different batches.


I assume that you mean 4-aco-dmt, which is of course quite different from "DMT" which always refers to n,n-DMT.

Nah - no mind fuckery just the most intense euphoria I've ever felt. Dancing like a fool for hours on end. A thousand times more euphoria than E. I would move to Canada if I could - do you get white 4-aco over there? I know they do in the US - seems to be the UK is the main market for the shit grey.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

Nah - no mind fuckery just the most intense euphoria I've ever felt. Dancing like a fool for hours on end. A thousand times more euphoria than E. I would move to Canada if I could - do you get white 4-aco over there? I know they do in the US - seems to be the UK is the main market for the shit grey.

Im quite impressed you can dance on 4-aco-dmt tbh.
I love the stuff aswell but its really a couchlock trip for me.
Partially why i like it is becauce the very stoning effect it has on my body.

I usually dose between 30-50mg a couple times a year at most.
Was lucky enough to get 2grams of the white batch some years ago.
At the rate i use it i will have material for years.

 

[General alcazar]

Just an observation. I have several old 10yesr) batches that started out white and turned tan, purple. I e had this happen with other tryptamines, and they do not seem to be any less potent. I’ve also never had nausea from 4aco-dmt, and 50mg would have my ego dissolved. I wouldn’t assume the color of the powder reflects its authenticity or potency..

 

[Ismene2]

Im quite impressed you can dance on 4-aco-dmt tbh.
I love the stuff aswell but its really a couchlock trip for me.
Partially why i like it is becauce the very stoning effect it has on my body.

I usually dose between 30-50mg a couple times a year at most.
Was lucky enough to get 2grams of the white batch some years ago.
At the rate i use it i will have material for years.

I find it gets couchlocky at the end - after about 7-8 hours. So you never get that massive euphoric rush from it after the first hour or two? You're just sort of laid there tripping?

Dont tell me where you live or I'll be sneaking in trying to find the white!!

I tried ordering 5g from kiev but just got an email claiming to be from customs that they'd seized it - I think it was more likely to have been a scam from the place I bought it from.

 

[Ismene2]

Just an observation. I have several old 10yesr) batches that started out white and turned tan, purple. I e had this happen with other tryptamines, and they do not seem to be any less potent. I’ve also never had nausea from 4aco-dmt, and 50mg would have my ego dissolved. I wouldn’t assume the color of the powder reflects its authenticity or potency..

Have you ever taken 50mg of the grey shit tho? Thats not genuine white 4-aco thats changed colour over time - thats some shit synthesis from the get-go.

I never feel anything regarding my ego - just massive waves of intense physical euphoria.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

I find it gets couchlocky at the end - after about 7-8 hours. So you never get that massive euphoric rush from it after the first hour or two? You're just sort of laid there tripping?

Dont tell me where you live or I'll be sneaking in trying to find the white!!

I tried ordering 5g from kiev but just got an email claiming to be from customs that they'd seized it - I think it was more likely to have been a scam from the place I bought it from.

The bodyload hits me quite fast tbh, i have a similar experience with mushrooms aswell.
However imo its not a bad thing since it helps me just get into the CEV's and be pulled into whatever music im listening to.

Usually i mix 4-aco-dmt with tons of nitrous and sometimes Ketamine.
So for home tripping 4-aco-dmt is def my favorite substance.
If i want to go dance at a rave i rarely do anything else then LSD or rarely a bit of MD.

 

[JackARoe]

One thing that's worth saying - theres this theory "4-aco is just a prodrug to DMT or its a prodrug to psilocin" - that is absolute fucking bollocks.

I know that debate goes on with credible arguments on both sides What I can say is 4-ACO-DMT is not like mushrooms totally. Not like psilocybin. I have never had pure psilocin so I can not say it is exactly like that. But for me the trip is shorter than mushrooms. Visual on the come up and then not too much unless you look closely but there is a sharpness. Then the patterns are beautifully intricate. The afterglow is wonderful. I think the stuff is up there with the classic psychedelics.

Had 15 mgs the other night (of the white from 5 years ago) and was treated to a totally refreshing and complete trip. I was looking for a light one but it was full on. Lots of cannabis. Lasted 4 hours. Had an afterglow for 4 days. Usually it is just a day or two before life's miseries come back to haunt me.

I really hope in the future the same quality is around. I only had one batch, white from 5 years ago that was gifted 1/2 gram. And in the freezer holds up well but now running low. Glad I don't need 150 mgs. I would say for an average person 15-25mgs is a good range. 25 will be strong though.

IMO it's worth pairing that idiosyncratic response with your claim that the stuff available today is not as good as the old stuff (which, again, is something no one else has ever claimed as far as I know). It reminds me of when I used to be obsessed with "finding good MXE again." I purchased so many batches of MXE (you have no idea) over so many years and cursed how good stuff wasn't available any more.

Oh man I did not even do MXE. I had a half gram from 2012 I gave to a friend. But I did read all the threads. I remember the whole thing. People looking for "that first white batch" that did something the other batches didn't do. Went on forever. The stuff was all tested as MXE yet people claiming batches were different. Makes me wonder what the truth of the matter was. I mean at least 5 big and dandy threads on the whole topic and people really speculating. I almost was glad i did not do the stuff. It was driving people nuts.