RCs New RC-Benzos that Work as Prodrugs for Already Existing Ones (Clonazafone, Diclazafone, etc.)

[pcplease]

norflurazepam felt physically better than diazepam and also lasted days but i have yet to try bromonordiazepam. nor this avizafone, which again, IS diazepam, if that is your favorite ^^

IME best to take a break from everything for a little while after having a bad run w meth/pyros. i tried reintegrating benzos too soon and the pull was still there wound up in the same spot after about 6mo, took a year off everything and the urge to use stims other than coffee is still zero when (sparingly) using benzos. best wishes

 

[krkkhed]

Really liked Rilmazafone, makes me wanna try Avizafone real bad, cuz I also loove Diazepam. Wanna try Bromonordiazepam as well, the name alone makes it attractive lol.
Last benzo I did was Bromazepam and it was a while ago, interesting benzo for sure and I was happy to add it to my ever expanding list of drugs I've consumed. Felt like a mix between Diazepam and Alprazolam almost. Anyone know of a Bromazepam prodrug benzo RC? Im gonna do some searching before work

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Avizafone is diazepam -- bromonordiazepam sounds significantly more prone to 'problems'. If you do go that route make sure to not leave the house or do anything slightly dangerous for about 2 weeks as it will accumulate in you're system. I find clonazolam the most euphoric and despite it's reputation it was a VERY linear ride.

Phenazepam which I think has a 36 hr half life --- It is a good thing I am a boring person and had a gf holdin me down a bit at the time or I would probably be taking the 5th. Bromonordiazepam sounds like similar curve. I was already taking 30-50 mg etiz a day when I got it --- ended up blacked out for a few weeks and lost about 4 grams out of 5. (I assume one of my super awesome druggy friends relieved me of that burden; but who knows) Kind of substance that makes a full blown addict FORGET ABOUT THE GRAM OF DOPE they traded for and proceed to get sick and cop again.

 

[pcplease]

phenazepam may only be 36hr half-life but its main metabolite (which was also available for a while) 3-oh-phenazepam has an 80-360hr total half life. and thats just one metabolite.m flubromazepam should be a little longer than phenazepam("clobromazepam") was but still last for absolutely ever 200+hrs. i am no chemist but replacing that chlorine w bromine , bromazolam vs alp etc, lasts so much longer.

 

[Esperighanto]

That's all very good to know. I typically am a habitual re-doser, but luckily with gaba drugs I can more or less control myself. It's mainly the stimulants and opioids and dissociatives that I have problems with redosing. I do also redose Soma a bit, but I usually am good about leaving it at 2000mg or less a night. I got a decent amount of Soma at the wrong time. Just started suboxone so I wont be able to touch it for a while. Gives me something to look forward to once I'm finally off of suboxone. Hopefully no more than a few months but we'll see.

Damn, I really wanna try this bromonordiazepam. Sounds right up my alley as far as benzos go. Diazepam is tied with clonazolam as my favorite benzo. Diazepam is the superior benzo by far. Clonazolam is just super euphoric. It's the one benzo I've gotten myself into bad trouble with. Very very addictive stuff. My main concern with bromonordiazepam is taking a dose and then not being able to perform well at work in the days that follow. I really kinda wish I had grabbed something else but I couldn't pass this up. I don't drink or use any gaba drugs except for the occasional Phenibut and soma. I'll be careful not to take those too soon after bromonordiazepam.

Let's say I am having a bad trip and I feel like I really need a benzo. Do you think 2.5mg would be enough to affect performance at work the day after?

For me, threshold with benzos tends to be pretty low (though I have a VERY high point where blacking out occurs as well), but I'd say threshold is probably 5-10mg depending on bodyweight. I'm ~220 lbs (~100kg), and benzos tend to be dosed based on mg/kg aka following bodyweight. BND takes a few hours to fully kick in btw, my advice for a tripkiller if you can access it anywhere is actually an antipsychotic like Seroquel, those are significantly more effective. Benzos calm you down during a bad trip and dull the visuals a little bit, but antipsychotics genuinely kill the trip.

 

[pcplease]

benzos also wont necessarily help w any psychosis-aspects of a bad trip and could add some confusion which can make it seem worse. seroquel, remeron, 5HT2a antagonism is what you're after.


with such a long onset too idk just dont sound like the best choice if you can get something like that^ in the mean time

 

[SuperPsych]

For me, threshold with benzos tends to be pretty low (though I have a VERY high point where blacking out occurs as well), but I'd say threshold is probably 5-10mg depending on bodyweight. I'm ~220 lbs (~100kg), and benzos tend to be dosed based on mg/kg aka following bodyweight. BND takes a few hours to fully kick in btw, my advice for a tripkiller if you can access it anywhere is actually an antipsychotic like Seroquel, those are significantly more effective. Benzos calm you down during a bad trip and dull the visuals a little bit, but antipsychotics genuinely kill the trip.

That's good to know. I have never considered antipsychotics as a trip killer. I don't have access to them at this time. But say I take 5-10mg bromonordiazepam to calm down after a trip or something, think it'd effect my performance at work, say 24-36 hours later? The way I've heard you describe the experience leads me to believe that it'd be fairly functional. I don't know if you have experience with this, but I'm also on 4mg of Buprenorphine daily. The long half-life of both BND and Bupe concern me. I wonder if it'd be safe in a low dosage? Hopefully I'll be off of buprenorphine before the need of a benzo occurs but you never know what may pop up in life.

benzos also wont necessarily help w any psychosis-aspects of a bad trip and could add some confusion which can make it seem worse. seroquel, remeron, 5HT2a antagonism is what you're after.


with such a long onset too idk just dont sound like the best choice if you can get something like that^ in the mean time

I have used benzos before for a bad trip and they eased my anxiety enough to kinda pierce thru the psychotic thoughts. I can see how a benzo could add confusion, especially if the benzo and/or psychedelic are dosed high.

I did recently get back on mirtazapine so I do have that. Bummer that I can't trip on a whim, but I usually plan them in advance anyways.

 

[Esperighanto]

But say I take 5-10mg bromonordiazepam to calm down after a trip or something, think it'd effect my performance at work, say 24-36 hours later?

Any amount of this drug lasts about a full week, it's got a 3.5 day half-life. I've never used buprenorphine but it does synergize very heavily with mitragynine alkaloids and tapentadol. Bromonordiazepam also takes a LONG time to finish coming up, I'm talking numerous hours, 4-6 until I fully notice it.

 

[SuperPsych]

Any amount of this drug lasts about a full week, it's got a 3.5 day half-life. I've never used buprenorphine but it does synergize very heavily with mitragynine alkaloids and tapentadol. Bromonordiazepam also takes a LONG time to finish coming up, I'm talking numerous hours, 4-6 until I fully notice it.

Good to know. I probably wont be touching the stuff any time soon then unless I absolutely have to. I guess it's good to have in the collection at least

 

[Working_Class]

It's been a while so nice I checked out any grey market benzos, but I just ordered a gram of Avizafone and 100 1 mg blotters of Rilmazafone.

I see a ton of great chemistry conversations on here but not a ton of real trip reports. So I will trip report soon.

The only reason I got these is because Etizolam has left the RC market in North America it seems. Sad as it was one gem of a find at the time, had about 5 grams in 5 years. The only gripe I have with etizolam as landing gear is that instead of taking the edge off a psych trip it killed it completely unlike Phenibut which seemed to potentiate and round out simultaneously rather than just kill the trip.

Any way, will likely titrate up over the next few weeks and see what's what.

Stand alone and as a comedown aid. Will be back in a few weeks to report.

 

[Esperighanto]

The only gripe I have with etizolam as landing gear is that instead of taking the edge off a psych trip it killed it completely unlike Phenibut which seemed to potentiate and round out simultaneously rather than just kill the trip.

In my experience, tiz doesn't even kill low dose 2C-B trips (which are quite mild imo), it functions more like gabapentin or phenibut or really any benzo, they don't seem to kill trips the way something 5HT2a antagonistic like an antipsychotic (trazodone, etc.) can. Just my personal experience, I used to put 1mg of Etizolam and 8-12mg of 2C-B in my water bottle in the morning alongside 200mg of caffeine, popping 150mg of bupropion, and hitting the road to get to work.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

benzos also wont necessarily help w any psychosis-aspects of a bad trip and could add some confusion which can make it seem worse. seroquel, remeron, 5HT2a antagonism is what you're after.


with such a long onset too idk just dont sound like the best choice if you can get something like that^ in the mean time

Now this is going to be a bit controversial and most people will probably disagree -- I like benzos on board when I trip, speaking of the days I was heavy into it we use to have this stupid term "treep slipping" which is about as it sounds a fairly heroic dose of psychedelics and benzos (Opis cuz i was addicted). I argue the euphoria of nodding during a full blown trip is close to if not better than a speedball (minus the rush) and certainly more sustainable. That metaphor/analogy continues danger wise too I am sure -- probably NOT A SMART IDEA.

I have never had a "bad trip" but I have had trips I would like to scale down or terminate forsure --- I feel a trip headin towards panic a half dose of benzo is the first than I try. Failing that anti-psychotics will pretty much terminate a trip (but than im on seroquel an which is hardly a good trade off to me).

 

[Working_Class]

In my experience, tiz doesn't even kill low dose 2C-B trips (which are quite mild imo), it functions more like gabapentin or phenibut or really any benzo, they don't seem to kill trips the way something 5HT2a antagonistic like an antipsychotic (trazodone, etc.) can. Just my personal experience, I used to put 1mg of Etizolam and 8-12mg of 2C-B in my water bottle in the morning alongside 200mg of caffeine, popping 150mg of bupropion, and hitting the road to get to work.

I've tried it with the subbed tryptamines usually at about 2-3 mg with a few friends and the feeling is typically the same between us, but different substance, different individual, different responses perhaps. But our findings were pretty consistent, still good buzz but visuals killed

 

[Working_Class]

Now this is going to be a bit controversial and most people will probably disagree -- I like benzos on board when I trip, speaking of the days I was heavy into it we use to have this stupid term "treep slipping" which is about as it sounds a fairly heroic dose of psychedelics and benzos (Opis cuz i was addicted). I argue the euphoria of nodding during a full blown trip is close to if not better than a speedball (minus the rush) and certainly more sustainable. That metaphor/analogy continues danger wise too I am sure -- probably NOT A SMART IDEA.

I have never had a "bad trip" but I have had trips I would like to scale down or terminate forsure --- I feel a trip headin towards panic a half dose of benzo is the first than I try. Failing that anti-psychotics will pretty much terminate a trip (but than im on seroquel an which is hardly a good trade off to me).

My favorite trip companion of the Benzo class was Temazepam (Restoril). Was such a beautiful magic carpet ride, only ever got to try the combo once, LSD-25 @ 100 mcg and 15 mg Temazepam

 

[Esperighanto]

I've tried it with the subbed tryptamines usually at about 2-3 mg with a few friends and the feeling is typically the same between us, but different substance, different individual, different responses perhaps. But our findings were pretty consistent, still good buzz but visuals killed

I appreciating the contrasting lived experience here,imo a big part of Bluelight should be the mass acquisition of these so that we can begin to figure out peoples' individual variances in response to specific pharcamalogical agents over.

My favorite trip companion of the Benzo class was Temazepam (Restoril). Was such a beautiful magic carpet ride, only ever got to try the combo once, LSD-25 @ 100 mcg and 15 mg Temazepam

I've yet to sample Temazepam but it sounds fantastic! I've mixed LSD with etizolam, alprazolam, bromonordiazepam, bromazolam, and flualprazolam. Each benzo has its own character, just as each psychedelic does. I've mixed that safe aforementioned list of benzos with psilacetin, miprocin, allylescaline, DOB, carisoprodol, 7-OH-Mitragynine, and an overwhelming amount of cannabis (D8, THC D9 THC, D6/10a THC, D8 & 9 of THC-H, D8 & 9 of THC-B, D8 & 9 of THC-V, MDMB-4en-PINACA (dangerous one, be careful of it0, D8 & 9 of THC-P and also D8 & 9 of THC-PO Acetate. Often I find caffeine pills necessary to not just pass out, but the combinations of cannabinoids, psychedelics or dissociatives alongside benzos highly underrated imo, yet it carries severe dangers if you are not in a safe set and setting with a tripsitter of clear mind.

 

[pcplease]

i mean the problem is just that if youre on a good dose of benzos u can do infinite amounts of everything that isnt a CNS depressant, or i guess stims once psychosis still sets in for meth and pyros.

it is the first course of treatment for psych freakouts/stim overdose, outside of violent settings that may require thorazine or haldol immediately

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

or CNS stimulant or has toxicity / causticicity(?) / requires strange ROA ---- That statement feels like a misnomer to me.

On the other hand I do see what you are getting at. Benzo should be the third tap faucet lol

 

[pcplease]

no i mean the combo feels like you can. increase heart rate/side effects, increase benzo dose ad infinitum. i mostly made it bc espherighanto stating that combining benzos w common psyches can have drastically different effects, which i suppose is true, but they generally, physically make many of those drugs safer by increasing the seizure threshold

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Gotya! -- thanks for clarification!

 

[pcplease]

np. there was a member of another forum on an etizolam bender maybe 10 years ago that ended up dosing over 100mg DOx as there were no subjectively, noticeable negative side effects, and then losing his feet in the days following due to the vasoconstriction phenethylamines cause. RIP.. though that was a few years later from opiods. i had some posts here in 2022 going through the inevitable stim psychosis after so long, kept trying to come down from by redosing more and more bromazolam and flubromazolam over several days until i was absolutely gone mentally (and made said, incoherent posts).

however again, at appropriate responsible doses, a safe benzo is almost certainly safer than taking DOx alone.