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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

Including DW ?
What's DW, dark web? If so, then yes, maybe even partially because of the dark web. I can't mention any specific vendors or manufacturers, but there are some absolute legends in the game at this point putting out some of the cleanest, meanest LSD-ness, you never seen this stroke of genius… If you meant the German news broadcaster, Deutsche Welle (DW), then no, they're not about the lysergamides, son. Lol.

You should look into LAME (Lysergic acid methyl ester) though this is not the place to discuss it.
As a precursor, no thanks, I don't do clandestine chemistry anymore, just theory. As an active, let me just say that as much as I like LSD, I've never really cared much for LSA…
 
What's DW, dark web? If so, then yes, maybe even partially because of the dark web. I can't mention any specific vendors or manufacturers, but there are some absolute legends in the game at this point putting out some of the cleanest, meanest LSD-ness, you never seen this stroke of genius… If you meant the German news broadcaster, Deutsche Welle (DW), then no, they're not about the lysergamides, son. Lol.


As a precursor, no thanks, I don't do clandestine chemistry anymore, just theory. As an active, let me just say that as much as I like LSD, I've never really cared much for LSA…
And the Aztec/ Greece LSA. Port / Sherry and Lemon- LSH and/ or LSI TEK ?
https://www.bluelight.org/community...sa-in-morning-glory-seeds-ancient-lsd.929417/
Have you any experience with that conversion/ primitive chemistry.

And if the described different effects [compared to LSA],
which could be real or bullshit. Made it seem pretty OK Lysergic and DIY.
Thoughts on that, as a eternal legal LSD substitute would have a use.

And MDMA as over 50, Is for like between you 21- 40-ties,
gets pretty uninteresting after a while. ime
 
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I dunno. You appear quite interested. And ofc I'll never delete thread.
Yeah interested in info, but that is not the same as taking it.
Ingesting.

Why would you delete it i wonder, assuming its your thread.
What the reasoning behind that, me not get it. Deleting,
someone asked that ? strange, and irrelevant.
Post that are against rules van be removed separately.
Is this the thing i am noticing the last year,
the crew being a bit lost, off 'het padje'.
 
Yeah interested in info, but that is not the same as taking it.
Ingesting.

Why would you delete it i wonder, assuming its your thread.
What the reasoning behind that, me not get it. Deleting,
someone asked that ? strange, and irrelevant.
Post that are against rules van be removed separately.
Is this the thing i am noticing the last year,
the crew being a bit lost, off 'het padje'.
If you haven't seen how clear I've made it that I think this thread is bullshit, then that's on you.

Just what I've been saying for past 3 years or so
 
I notice you're using quotes on "MDMA" which implies euphemism. In other words, that's not MDMA. Some of these imposters are hard to identify and occasionally include just enough real MDMA to throw off drug testing attempts, but as I and others have attested ☞ real, nystagmus-inducing, empathy-boosting, 5HT-dumping, anxiolytic-but-stimulating, oxytocin-releasing, live-in-the-moment-causing, good-ol'-fashion, down-home country dl-3,4-MDMA hydrochloride, just like mama used to make, is out there. Real MDMA is out there.

In the words of Jerry Garcia:


Or if you prefer the IUPAC name: (RS)-1-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine. That compound hasn't changed, and it's out there. Don't believe the hype. It's just unscrupulous jackasses selling fake shit, the same dickwads behind that monkey garbage they call "Tusibi" which is really just ketamine, coke, RC stims at times, MDMA other times if they have it, and pink food dye. Mill it up and give it a name that's easily confused with "2C-B", and voila! I'm not into drug potluck, ya know? And I realize the irony of that statement, as well, but sometimes you gotta draw the line somewhere, hypocritical or not.
Doubtful, lets say a 95% chance that s the reason. Age 50 % thats the reason, your so old like me it no longer novel. That the producers are unscrupulous dirty criminals rpetty high chance. That is the cause.

But a 200 mg MDMA pill, taken with no tolerance and while being MDMA,
well where did the ecstasy go, age related. There was more then enough in it.
The underworld taking over the production from the idealists ?

I don t know only the dose the substance the effects, that where not there.
 
That the producers are unscrupulous dirty criminals rpetty high chance. That is the cause.
While there are definitely unscrupulous people in all facets of the illicit drug trade, that doesn't mean all clandestine chemistry lab operators are unethical sociopaths w/zero moral compass, especially where psychedelics are concerned. In fact, people should check their bad attitudes toward drug dealers and be grateful, thank them, and maybe even tip them if they're particularly good with customer service. After all, they're taking huge risks for sums of money that are not as good as you probably think they are. They're risking their liberty and their lives at times to provide us with drugs we very much want. Personally, I'm grateful there are people willing to do this much needed service. It would be a sober world without them.

And if you wanna get upset about the lack of regulation, blame the government, not the capitalists who are just supplying another demand like the government encourages.

And ofc I'll never delete thread.
I think you might've been replying to the wrong person there. @Mr. Krinkle asked you not to delete the thread, not @emkee_reinvented.

Have you any experience with that conversion/ primitive chemistry.
Not with that exact "Tek", no, but I've made similar moves when I was younger. Thanks for sharing that link – it's a good one!
 
While there are definitely unscrupulous people in all facets of the illicit drug trade, that doesn't mean all clandestine chemistry lab operators are unethical sociopaths w/zero moral compass, especially where psychedelics are concerned. In fact, people should check their bad attitudes toward drug dealers and be grateful, thank them, and maybe even tip them if they're particularly good with customer service. After all, they're taking huge risks for sums of money that are not as good as you probably think they are. They're risking their liberty and their lives at times to provide us with drugs we very much want. Personally, I'm grateful there are people willing to do this much needed service. It would be a sober world without them.

And if you wanna get upset about the lack of regulation, blame the government, not the capitalists who are just supplying another demand like the government encourages.


I think you might've been replying to the wrong person there. @Mr. Krinkle asked you not to delete the thread, not @emkee_reinvented.


Not with that exact "Tek", no, but I've made similar moves when I was younger. Thanks for sharing that link – it's a good one!
My business with drug dealers lucky long gone.
If i will witness legalisation i doubt,
by the mere fact we are poisoning the earth we are basically death.
It so to bad we missed the happy train by a long shot. IT was waiting long.

I did blame my Gouvernement, officially. Constantly !
You do whatever you can to no avail at least i can stare at my face.
Hail Chaos or Anarchy.

True ☯️ but the bad side did win, so balance already off,
pure chaos it is not, that s fact.

So the world off track, or you do feel its in perfect harmonious balance ?
And interpretering, you are real old ?
"when I was younger" when i was younger,
what does that mean, are you nearing your nearing your 70 ties or so ?
Start with Grime/ British HipHop, that is my goal,

Anyone older ows respect. But anybody is equal but the old. not all, are wise.
 
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My business with drug dealers lucky long gone.
If i will witness legalisation i doubt,
by the mere fact we are poisoning the earth we are basically death.
We? I'm not in on this.

It so to bad we missed the happy train by a long shot. IT was waiting long.
Oh so you're an optimist, lol.

I did blame my Gouvernement, officially. Constantly !
You do whatever you can to no avail
I do?

at least i can stare at my face.
That's kind of a low bar, but sure, at least there's that.

Hail Chaos or Anarchy.
They're not mutually exclusive.

True ☯️ but the bad side did win, so balance already off,
pure chaos it is not, that s fact.
"The bad side" ☜ as if things were that unambiguous. On either side, no one thinks their side is the "bad side" you know.

So the world off track, or you do feel its in perfect harmonious balance ?
And interpretering, you are real old ?
"when I was younger" when i was younger,
what does that mean, are you nearing your nearing your 70 ties or so ?
Nah, I'm in my forties. Often when I say that, it's b/c I'm talking about a time period in my 20s before I caught a federal case for manufacturing MDMA. Specifically, I often mention this part to make clear I'm talking about actions that are beyond the statute of limitations. It's just paranoia on my part. Didn't mean to sound like old fart or as if I'm talking down to youngsters or some shit like that.

Start with Grime/ British HipHop, that is my goal,
Go on… I'm interested in hearing your vision for this.

Anyone older ows respect. But anybody is equal but the old.
… what?

We're getting off topic.
 
We? I'm not in on this.


Oh so you're an optimist, lol.


I do?


That's kind of a low bar, but sure, at least there's that.


They're not mutually exclusive.


"The bad side" ☜ as if things were that unambiguous. On either side, no one thinks their side is the "bad side" you know.


Nah, I'm in my forties. Often when I say that, it's b/c I'm talking about a time period in my 20s before I caught a federal case for manufacturing MDMA. Specifically, I often mention this part to make clear I'm talking about actions that are beyond the statute of limitations. It's just paranoia on my part. Didn't mean to sound like old fart or as if I'm talking down to youngsters or some shit like that.


Go on… I'm interested in hearing your vision for this.


… what?

We're getting off topic.
We as Humanity, US-ers eat a credit card a day, microplastic s.
And that s the least worrisome fact as it came in is via Food/ drinks.
Not we as us, think most on this sites footprint ain t to large. But the Netherlands,
tax paradise. Does make me a Parasite with a small footprint.

But kinda indirect response able,
for a other suffering as i get his/ her money.

So i am a hopeful fool with a negative creepy feeling.
My land is now undergoing a proces with EU tribunal.
Cause Dutch citizen s have law suit against our land,
as we poison our inhabitant s.

Which not allowed according EU Law. Real story,
and i hope they win a my country gets a good whipping.
Deserved ! And i fucked and got kids otherwise,
wouldn t it not matter, no as i care about al kids, animals plants.

Hate the response able ´the actual 'WE' i ment.
And at 20 caught so spend some lifetime behind bars,
i assume/ hope not for producing a soft-drug imo. Sad.
Here dealers get caught 3 x with 1/2 kg Speed, and get off free.
OK a don t do it again ok.

While those CUNTS of the cops spend ours irritating me.
False notices 2 from my ex, and one by my moronicly sick ex neighbour.
And once done, they dont check if true/ false,
they become facts. So don t see my kids for DUI.

While i have no licence , no car and would not do it would i.

Im over 50 [so a old-er fart] yougsta. :cool:
What was was topic btw and where are my 👓 ?

At the right lucky start. Thats me :sillyoldguy: <- SillyOldFart.
Emoticon excist s wow fitting.

Me i am not paranoid, like i never get anxiety too.
When it would be normal human reaction,
but don t trust people on forehand anymore.

Better yet I see 90 % time true, is this a +/= or - person.
To me, or whendeciding chit chat, i only do that with +-ers.
And when i know i am + att too.

"Start with Grime/ British HipHop, that is my goal"
Pete & Bas, due too one of these Grand daughter s,
who was in Grime and he asked actually quite good,
can i do that to. And she said do it.



edit: dont get your quote "I do?".
I do, i make complains, take action, give free unwanted advise.
To turn this island a paradise, result no reply.
Through the official canals. Not yet a activist, close though.
 
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"at least i can stare at my face." is a translated dutch meaning.
Your sheat clean, never fucked someone on purpose, helpful/ integer.

That kinda shit. Most sometimes forget before they launch words.
Happens to me too, another Dutch saying translation.
So then excusing comes in the picture, must stim unity !

'Never let em see what s on the back of your tongue.'
So not always say what you think. Training ! Granny s knowledge.

And "… what?" -> Are mostly wise.
 
'Never let em see what s on the back of your tongue.'
So not always say what you think. Training ! Granny s knowledge.
Idiomatic expressions are interesting. Mastering a foreign language really is all about knowing the language's modern, in-use, idiomatic sayings. "At least I can stare at my face" is probably most closely translated, or idiomatically rather, as: "At least I can still look at myself in the mirror every day", or more distantly, "at least I have no problems sleeping at night." Meaning to say you're free from guilt and are not ashamed of any of your actions.

I also don't think it's age that makes MDMA become boring. It's over-use and familiarity. I took a good seven years off from rolling, and when I came back, it was almost like a new drug again to me. It really is best from time to time, not an all the time kinda drug. How much time varies from person to person, but with some experimenting, each of us can figure it out.

So I'm really into linguistics, and I have a little collection of Dutch terms that I like, compiled over the years.

Dutch Words I ❤️
  • Feestvarken – Pig Feast (literally "feast pig")
  • DeAap – The Ape
  • Sfeerspons – Atmosphere sponge (a party pooper)
  • Windhond – Greyhound
  • Zeewolf – Similar to catfish
  • Zeeduivel – Monkfish
  • Vleermuis – Bat (lit. "wingmouse")
  • Apetrots – Monkey proud (very proud)
  • Apenstaartje – “@”, lit. “little monkey tail”.
  • Helaas Pindakaas – "too bad, peanut cheese" (peanut butter)
But yeah, so in addition to the other potential causes of "MDMA losing its magic" I think sometimes this MDMA supersaturation leads to feelings of "lost magic", contributing to the notion that something is wrong with today's MDMA, but it's illusory or attributable to other phenomena, in my humble opinion.
 
I also don't think it's age that makes MDMA become boring. It's over-use and familiarity. I took a good seven years off from rolling, and when I came back, it was almost like a new drug again to me. It really is best from time to time, not an all the time kinda drug. How much time varies from person to person, but with some experimenting, each of us can figure it out.
After bk-MDMA was illegalized/ dissipated.
Which i att liked more then what i remembered of.
My youth MDMA experiences, pre my harm reduction was activated.
So broke the 3/ 1x month or every other week/ 1 pill one redose rule.
Again and again. Every weekend preferably 2 days on end,
dumb i know looking back.

Then after long brake Lysergics became easy available and 5-MAPB.
Bit like MDMA, well on a Lysergic i experience ecstasy, on 5-MAPB.
The feelings are Euphoric an Disphoric at the same time.

And there is no relaxation or eye opening moments. Just a buzz.
That fades, leaving nothing but feeling little drained.
Never overdue it now a days, but my emphatogen interest is gone.

Lysergics are imo miles better. But in my youth it was other-way round.
 
The feelings are Euphoric an Disphoric at the same time.
Yeah I've candyflipped 5-MAPB with LSD and I agree, it was agathokakological, meaning it contained both good and bad. A lot of uncomfortable body load.

Personally I like MDA and I'll take 5-APB over 5-MAPB. MDA is kickass stuff in that it's got a nice psychedelic side to it. Also 2C-B and 2C-B-FLY are arguably entactogen/empathogens. Same with 4-FA; 3,4-MD-Aminorex; 4-MMC, and aMT.

I would one day like to revisit DMMDA-2 and I hope we see it eventually on the RC scene. We'll see.

Again and again. Every weekend preferably 2 days on end,
dumb i know looking back.
American idiom (probably English in origin): There's no sense crying over spilled milk. Also: it's water under the bridge now. And anyway we now know neuroplasticity is a thing; you're perhaps better off for the experience even if you don't know it. I don't think regret is a very useful emotion except for when it reminds us not to repeat the same mistakes. Once you've learned that lesson, let regret go.

Lysergics are imo miles better.
LSD is still my favorite drug for all the amazing experiences, insight, and emotional depth it's added to my life, and countless nights of deep introspection, and for letting me in on the secret to so much music every time I trip. And I just adore and love it for so many reasons. Hard to test for, easily smuggled, super potent, etc. etc. But it's not miles better than MDMA and its closely related brethren, it's just miles different, and that's okay. MDMA has a special place in my heart, too, with countless memories and stories from rolling and being with friends, often at a rave, festival or Phish show.
 
Yeah I've candyflipped 5-MAPB with LSD and I agree, it was agathokakological, meaning it contained both good and bad. A lot of uncomfortable body load.

Personally I like MDA and I'll take 5-APB over 5-MAPB. MDA is kickass stuff in that it's got a nice psychedelic side to it. Also 2C-B and 2C-B-FLY are arguably entactogen/empathogens. Same with 4-FA; 3,4-MD-Aminorex; 4-MMC, and aMT.

I would one day like to revisit DMMDA-2 and I hope we see it eventually on the RC scene. We'll see.


American idiom (probably English in origin): There's no sense crying over spilled milk. Also: it's water under the bridge now. And anyway we now know neuroplasticity is a thing; you're perhaps better off for the experience even if you don't know it. I don't think regret is a very useful emotion except for when it reminds us not to repeat the same mistakes. Once you've learned that lesson, let regret go.


LSD is still my favorite drug for all the amazing experiences, insight, and emotional depth it's added to my life, and countless nights of deep introspection, and for letting me in on the secret to so much music every time I trip. And I just adore and love it for so many reasons. Hard to test for, easily smuggled, super potent, etc. etc. But it's not miles better than MDMA and its closely related brethren, it's just miles different, and that's okay. MDMA has a special place in my heart, too, with countless memories and stories from rolling and being with friends, often at a rave, festival or Phish show.
Didn t do a flip juist describing both separate, Lysergics ime pure euphoria.
And 5-MAPB, feeling hot weirdo, distract myself of it with music, film.

Mixing imo a waste of Lysergics. , sad the legal path has been blocked. But i never mixed em to be clear, no flips. No mixing fiips with artificieel flavour. See no reason too taint a psychedelic.

But getting Methylone legalized !
 
American idiom (probably English in origin): There's no sense crying over spilled milk. Also: it's water under the bridge now. And anyway we now know neuroplasticity is a thing; you're perhaps better off for the experience even if you don't know it. I don't think regret is a very useful emotion except for when it reminds us not to repeat the same mistakes. Once you've learned that lesson Let regretngo ...
Which regret, in EU the term LTC is termed bogus Theory. The abuse is higher here.
Yet the LTC syndrom seems a US thing, dirty pills Meth in em ? Or juist more sensitive who knows ?

Never had a LTC, missed work OR feit worse then on example booze. SO,,
WHILE at it is society and tainted drugss, Like in US SO it seems logic.

But no stress i have no regrets
 
Which regret, in EU the term LTC is termed bogus Theory. The abuse is higher here.
Yet the LTC syndrom seems a US thing, dirty pills Meth in em ? Or juist more sensitive who knows ?

Never had a LTC, missed work OR feit worse then on example booze. SO,,
WHILE at it is society and tainted drugss, Like in US SO it seems logic.

But no stress i have no regrets
Ik kon dat niet volgen. Probeer het misschien in je moedertaal te schrijven en gebruik Google Translate om de betekenis voor ons te vertalen.
(I could not follow that. Perhaps try writing it in your native language and use Google Translate to translate the meaning for us.)

It's easy to criticize and blame the U.S. as if every American is the exact same fat, lazy stereotype lacking in grace, style, couth and knowledge, but there are 330 million Americans spread across a gigantic swatch of land stretching from ocean to ocean and the people run the gamut of every walk of life. EDIT: Also, candyflipping is a wonderful drug combination. Don't knock it until you try it. But to each their own.

EDIT 2: Sorry, I wasn't trying to be disrespectful earlier, I just couldn't follow what you were saying. I'm not sure what LTC is, but I think I get what you're saying. Only thing is: I believe you're making a broad sweeping and incorrect stereotype regarding drugs in the US as if they're all tainted and only the Netherlands has pure shit. After all, where was MDMA first discovered? ;)
 
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