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I assume you've seen the dateline documentary detailing strikes downfall.
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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2
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That's Spitball in the garage selling safrole and dimethoxybenzaldehyde to the Arizona kids. Wild wild stuff
unodelacosa
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I don't think of you and me as being at odds or in any way in a default disagreement on probably… most things in this world, let alone the topics, shit-brained ideas, wild speculations, and MDMA-chemistry musings that comprise the bulk of this thread. I mean, we both know what's up, and I've been pretty clear from the beginning that all of us are just speculating about something from the past – distant or recent – that it is now literally impossible to test scientifically and be certain. And that's fine, just all I've been urging everyone to do from the start is to have your ideas, speculate as wildly as you want, and hear other people out, and then have the wisdom, and more importantly, the decency, to understand there's a chance you're wrong, and this applies to everyone's theory presented here, mine, perhaps especially, included. Don't take any of these musings and ramblings too seriously. The truth is often weirded than fiction anyways…
So you know, test your shit, but presumptive tests only reveal so much about a drug, let's not forget… they're fairly crude and unsophisticated field tests, not exactly rigorous analytics… And then use your gut instinct. Avoid shit that makes you feel like ass, and when you find some good shit, stock up, biiiiiish!
… [sigh]… Yeahhh of course. Fuck dateline NBC. Buncha narc-ass busters… Granted, he was playing it a little too loose, but come on, look at the guy in those interviews. You can tell that's a genuinely good-hearted person. No one deputized those jackholes and it's a disgrace to the professional of journalism that they got involved with law enforcement. What a bunch of reckless fucking pricks with zero integrity. You know… this is why I respect Mariana Van Zeller. She would've never pulled a cowboy stunt like this. How about if Strike had just gone ballistic after dateline doxxed him on primetime national television? Like gave zero fucks, faith in humanity gone, and he just quietly goes and gets a shotgun in the next room and comes back blasting buckshot at everyone suddenly realizing they're trapped in his warehouse, and then begins a new Saw series or whatever… you get the pic. Dateline be like, "Oops, uhh, huh-huh, ju… just… just kidding about that stuff we found… " Nah, but they knew they could surprise him on camera and exploit him as they doxx him to the federales like some scene from a 1984 sequel written by Harry Anslinger. What a buncha chodes. Fuck the media.
I mean, shit, man, the newsgroup alt.drugs.chemistry was where it was at in the 90s. Those were like wild west times. Crazy what you could just order to your home with very little to no deception back then. Also back then I could walk into Wally World and buy everything I needed to manufacture methamphetamine and within the same purchase as my two dozen generic sudafeds I could legally buy a rifle and ammunition from the sporting goods department, no questions asked, they even send a kid out to help me cart it off to my gas-guzzler and off I go into the wild after rambling some speech about first aid kits in the old folks home being updated with fresh iodine tincture and that I needed those matches for guests as my boss was opening a new restaurant in a spot downtown, and oh yes, we like to stock up on our cold medicine before the cold weather gets here, you see…
Boy I've got some stories… I can recall pulling up in my old '91 Ford Escort with the hatchback after bullshitting this chemical supply plant upstate. Me and a buddy with fugazi business cards and an approach that we're college kids with a startup idea involving holographic printed artwork and new techniques in film reticulation… so I whip it up to the back of the plant amid these huge 18-wheelers, and I'm chatting with this guy in full Breaking Bad garb, minus the mask, as he's pumping glacial acetic acid into a 15-gallon fuel canister I've brought along for the purchase… And it's all: "Alright now, thank you, boys, good luck with your new venture!" Indeed, fellas, good luck indeed, God bless that crew and their families for helping us win the war a little bit that day. When I look back on it now I get a warm spot cross my heart.
And then he shook my hand, and walked away. (That's the last I seen a Herald.)
You are right taking MEH MDMA and recrystalizing with dH20 just proved it's meh, nothing more. But I will say it made the product worse in my and other tests subjects experience.. It had not become better, I removed a lot of "purple" junk from White MDMA. The Crystal structure was now see thru and a nice shard, but very weak and brittle...All I could guess is that the water molecules bound to the structure, but of course it's just a guess. having the wisdom, and more importantly, the decency, to understand there's a chance you're wrong, and this applies to everyone's theory presented here, mine, perhaps especially, included. Don't take any of these musings and ramblings too seriously. The truth is often weirded than fiction anyways… as /u/unodelacosa stated above.
However, next time, I would like to compare, side by side deionized water (diH2O), distilled water (dH2O), and double-distilled water (ddH2O). in a high humidity room lets say 60-70% due to the oceans humidity and "salt" air and a 0% humidity controlled room. Could there be a difference, no idea. But that's what the meaning of scientific theory, is it not? At least that what I was taught in school, which at the time was a C- in AP/Honors chem... what I do know is I had meh tested as MDMA at both UVIC and GYTD, that I dH2O recrystallizations with no or little heat, evap took month or 2 (high humidity lowish temp area think 50-80F year around) and multiple recrystallizations with dH2O only were done. Multiple people had the before and after and they said the "before" less impure was better, then clear shard I had and sent. This was including my own Bio observation, and I made no mention of what the difference was before and after I just sent to other people to compare then, Afterwards asking which was better, unwashed or washed/recrystallization... etc..
However the best MDA I ever got looked like a ROCK, it looked HIGHLY IMPURE, the tone was a greyish/blue and Opaque not see thru like some of the purple stuff floating/ Heinzenbergs "blue" MA . ... but the hydrogen bonding, in all my life was something else, I had NEVER seen before, even hitting it several TIMES on the counter top HARD, then even with a hammer HARD, did not break these bonds easily so to speak.... It took multiple HARD HAMMER strikes to finally break this "ROCK" MDA, once slightly broken down as easier to rebreak down...
I also had dirt brown MDA, which was when helional was used more, this brown dirt MDA , resembled Dirt, in both texture, looks etc. This was subpar in comparison to the rock hard batch, I had later, and all signs pointed to impure MDA via Hoffman/Beckman. At least in my educated guess.
2.2.2 α-Methyl-1,3-benzodioxole-5-propanamide.
The crude product was a light-brown solid. The crude product was
purified by triturating with dichloromethane to produce a white fluffy solid (3.82 – 4.88 g). ATR-FTIR:
Figure S2. Mass spectrum: Figure S7. 1H NMR (400 MHz, CDCl3): Figure S16. 13C NMR (101 MHz, CDCl3):
Figure S17.
When synthesised from crude
α-methyl-1,3-benzodioxole-5-propanamide, the final product was a black-brown soil (270.3 – 382.2
mg). When synthesised from purified α-methyl-1,3-benzodioxole-5-propanamide, the final product
was a brown transparent oil (286.4 – 351.5 mg). ATR-FTIR: Figure S3. Mass spectrum: Figure S8. 1H
NMR (400 MHz , CDCl3): Figure S18. 13C NMR (101 MHz, CDCl3): Figure S19.
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Not indefinitely stable ?
PMK-glycidate powder or the PMK meta bisulphate ("chicken fat") is 2-3 years I think... PMK oil is 2-3 months in the freezer, if I remember correctly, if properly stored airtight....
"Sodium metabisulfite is added as an excipient to medications which contain adrenaline (epinephrine), in order to prevent the oxidation of adrenaline.[6] For example, it is added to combination drug formulations which contain a local anaesthetic and adrenaline,[6] and to the formulation in epinephrine autoinjectors, such as the EpiPen.[7] This lengthens the shelf life of the formulation,[6] although the sodium metabisulfite reacts with adrenaline, causing it to degrade and form epinephrine sulfonate."
I'm not sure of the new wax PMK..
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2004, 05:40:00 AM »
"In the old days, chemists sometimes traded (and stored) benzaldehydes as their bisulfite. I guess these compounds aren't as prone to O2-oxidation as the free benzaldehyde, but I'm not sure.
I concur w/Pickler, just seal the container, making it airtight. You should be fine for at least 2 weeks, maybe longer.
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No 464171 Stable ketone...?
"SWIM left a beaker with a bit of post-H2SO4 hydrolyzed ketone (or at least he hoped it was 'tone!!) from a peracetic in a beaker wraped in al foil for 2 months, no freezer, but the room was kinda coldish - temp wouldnt have gone above 15C in that time approx 60f for the Americans. Everything was in the beaker - no purification at all. Just neutralized the H2SO4 w/ NaOH soltn., wrapped in foil and left it. Came back and for the hell of it did a bisulfite - big lump of chicken fatty stuff came out. He did an IR on it, and despite all the crap there was defnately a ketone peak. so maybe ketone's not all that unstable... I mean, if it had been summer, probably a different story, but at least winter's good for something laugh (and to think he thought the peracetic failed! course, it could have been some other fucked up thing, but who knows)"
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So what does the PMK Glycidate decompose to after 3 years ?
Buy a NMR and tell us XD
Jokes aside... I can assume. guess these compounds aren't as prone to O2-oxidation as the free benzaldehyde/ketone, but I'm not sure. Depending what happens I theorize, if we are talking about the "Basics" and work thru it as "basic math problem" so to speak together but instead of algebra x and Y with numbers. We will replace with what we do know and don't know.. trying to come up with an answer without going over 300+ pages of additional chemistry work is no easy task for me, but I'll at least try and be semi accurate, and semi easy to understand and open to any criticisms explaining to you and others my view or some ideas. I admit to being a self taught sorta thing. But here we go!
Let's start with the basics of what could happen... I hate going over them, I'm skipping A LOT as well anyways, and you either know it or you don't. Without further ado...
The loss of electrons by one substance is called oxidation.
The gain of electrons by another substance is called reduction.
The transfer of electrons between substances is called an oxidation-reduction reaction, or redox reaction
I'm sure a lot has to do with the impurities in the PMK Glycidate, whether you have methyl or ethyl glycidate powder or wax... , the temperate outside and inside the vessel, was it sealed properly... like in a dewar I wouldn't know what something similar would be for powders/liquids.. What about humidity if it isn't? Was the product converted to meta bi sulfate after 3 years, and then later redistilled... etc. etc. like do they seal multi kilos in glass ampules with inert environments like argon etc XD
I've heard of it for 5g of LSD but.... Bulk glycidate anyone got ideas XD anyways...
For simplicity of myself... and others to start. I will only talk PMK oil of 2-3 months in the freezer in this instance...
When it comes to PMK oil. "Double bonded O2 oxidation" refers to a chemical reaction where molecular oxygen (O2), which has a double bond between the two oxygen atoms, acts as an oxidizing agent, meaning it gains electrons from another molecule, causing that molecule to become oxidized;
You see in Strikes book on the "How to make meth portion" This "Double bonded OH or even double bonded O" it's why Meth cooks love Pusedo, or PMK or BMK, or even most aldehydes etc. etc . as we can use as any of a class of organic compounds in which a carbon atom shares a double bond with an oxygen atom, a single bond with a hydrogen atom, and a single bond with another atom or group of atoms This also Includes 3,4-Methylenedioxyphenyl-propionic acid-2-one a carboxylic acid,-COOH instead of -COCH₃ as mentioned by @unodelacosa this is important as you will soon see... Once I understood how important that was it was a giant break thru so try and understand it this double bonded O/OH THING, Anyways...
Personally I understand pictures, more so then nomenclature, but I like both, so maybe these 2 photo links below will help you/us. take a good look got it ok.
Now of course, I can't get into TOO MUCH detail. Without risking a ban. But... someone else could possibly chime in if i'm wrongNow that you "kinda get PMK oil O/OH thing as it's kinda important" .. anyways now when it comes to the glycidate... maybe the MSDS/SDS has some "clues"
It's first gives us its trade name: PMK methyl glycidate· and Synonym 3-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-methyl-2-oxiranecarboxylic acid, methyl ester states
10 Stability and reactivity· Reactivity No further relevant information available.· Chemical stability· Thermal decomposition / conditions to be avoided:No decomposition if used according to specifications.· Possibility of hazardous reactions No dangerous reactions known.· Conditions to avoid No further relevant information available.· Incompatible materials: No further relevant information available.· Hazardous decomposition products: No dangerous decomposition products known
All chemicals may pose unknown hazards and should be used with caution. This SDS applies only toto the material as packaged. If this product is combined with other materials, deteriorates, or becomes contaminated, it may pose hazards not mentioned in this SDS. Cayman Chemical Company assumes
no responsibility for incidental or consequential damages, including lost profits, arising from the use oft hese data. It shall be the user's responsibility to develop proper methods of handling and personal protection based on the actual conditions of use. While this SDS is based on technical data judged to be reliable, Cayman Chemical Company assumes no responsibility for the completeness or accuracy oft he information contained herein.
· Department issuing SDS: Environm
Darn it nothing in the SDS/MSDS except don't expose to heat/ Hazardous decomposition products: No dangerous decomposition products known... well now what's left? Well another clue is in it's name...
As the methyl ester... it's Trade name: PMK methyl glycidate Synonym 3-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-methyl-2-oxiranecarboxylic acid, methyl ester. So referring to similar carboxylic acids or esters... It could lead to the possibilities, I assume. Some semi-educated guesses might be Piperonal or maybe it's corresponding cousins.
Related terms
Ester:
An ester is a chemical compound formed by the reaction between an alcohol and a carboxylic acid, where the hydrogen atom of the carboxyl group is replaced by an alkyl or aryl group.
Carboxylic Acid:
A carboxylic acid is an organic compound that contains a carboxyl group (-COOH), which consists of a carbonyl group (C=O) and a hydroxyl group (-OH).
Reduction:
Reduction is a chemical reaction in which the oxidation state of a molecule, atom, or ion is decreased, typically by the addition of hydrogen or the removal of oxygen.
- Reduction of carboxylic acids to primary alcohols:
- Addition of four hydrogen atoms (two H2H2 molecules)
- Proceeds through aldehyde intermediate, further reduced to primary alcohol
- Overall reaction: RCOOH+4[H]→RCH2OH+H2ORCOOH+4[H]→RCH2OH+H2O
- Example: Reduction of acetic acid to ethanol using LiAlH4
- Reduction of esters to primary alcohols:
- Addition of four hydrogen atoms (two H2H2 molecules)
- Proceeds through aldehyde intermediate, further reduced to primary alcohol
- Overall reaction: RCOOR′+4[H]→RCH2OH+R′OHRCOOR′+4[H]→RCH2OH+R′OH
- Also produces alcohol (R′OHR′OH) derived from alkoxy group of ester
- Example: Reduction of methyl benzoate to benzyl alcohol and methanol using LiAlH4
- The oxidation of carboxylic acids is a process that can produce α-hydroxy acids, keto acids, and dicarboxylic acids. It can also remove the carboxyl carbon atom as carbon dioxide.
Examples of carboxylic acid oxidation
α-oxidation
A biochemical reaction that produces α-hydroperoxy acid, which is then converted into an aldehyde. This process is used to synthesize α-hydroxy and keto acids, which are found in biologically active compounds.
Monocarboxylic acid oxidation
Can produce dicarboxylic acids, (omega-1)-hydroxyacids, and (omega-1)-oxoacids. - Hunsdiecker reaction Bromine replaces the carboxyl group, oxidizing both the carboxyl carbon atom and the remaining organic structure. I imagine 3 years vs rapid comp is possible without the use of silver.... It's at least important to note
- ^As the glycidate is made via The Darzens reaction (also known as the Darzens condensation or glycidic ester condensation) is the chemical reaction of a ketone or aldehyde with an α-haloester in the presence of a base to form an α,β-epoxy ester, also called a "glycidic ester". paper was from 1947
. So the "discovery" of this method predates us all. Barium was the first to post it's use to make PMK from it. I do believe he was Dutch. I have run the reaction to produce PMK-Glycidate. I had methyl 2-bromopropionate at my disposal, so I produced methyl PMK-Glycidate as opposed to the "ethyl PMK-Glycidate" as they mention in the article.The reaction is called Darzens Condensaion and several examples of it are to be found in Vogel's 5th in case anyone wants to read some about it."
I'm just gonna stop here, but by in large hopefully answered any questions... and I hope I'm at least semi correct without IR equipment or at least where to look/ how I came up with what it possibly is. And at least semi understandable without reading 3000+ pages of TS2/ THE hive archives...
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unodelacosa
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(TL;DR below)
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PMK Glycidate—like PMK—primarily degrades to piperonylic acid, the glycidate just take much longer to do so and has a slower rate of degradation. But of course it depends on how it was stored. High temps, light (esp. UV), atmospheric oxygen and moisture all play a factor as do acidic or basic conditions. PMK is relatively unstable and prone to oxidation due to its free ketone group, which can slowly oxidize into piperonylic acid when exposed to air. It also has no protective functional groups to shield it from environmental degradation, making it more reactive under standard conditions.
The Glycidate ester structure in PMK Glycidate stabilizes the molecule by reducing the free reactivity of the ketone. The ester and epoxide groups are less likely to degrade under mild conditions, provided the compound is stored correctly (e.g.: away from moisture or strong acids/bases). The epoxide group is reactive but doesn't significantly degrade under neutral, low-light, room-temperature conditions. Hydrolysis of the epoxide or ester typically requires catalysis or significant exposure to moisture or acidic/basic impurities.
PMK Glycidate's stability is owed to steric hinderance (i.e., the glycidate group adds bulk, reducing the likelihood of reactions that target the ketone group (the double bond oxygen)). Also, the ester protects the ketone from direct oxidation to carboxylic acids as readily as it occurs with PMK.
PMK glycidate is still sensitive to hydrolysis, but this occurs much more slowly under dry, neutral storage conditions than the degradation of PMK.
The ketone can oxidize to a carboxylic acid (piperonylic acid), a common degradation pathway for ketones in the presence of oxygen, especially if trace amounts of catalysts or moisture are present. If PMK is exposed to basic conditions or impurities that can promote aldol reactions, it may form higher molecular weight condensation products, leading to polymeric or resinous materials. In the presence of moisture and acidic or basic impurities, the ketone might undergo hydrolysis to form simpler compounds, such as piperonal and acetone. This is less likely unless significant moisture or catalytic agents are present. UV exposure can cause breakdown, resulting in the formation of byproducts like aldehydes or phenolic derivatives. This is less probable in controlled low-light conditions.
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TL;DR ☞ Under standard room conditions with minimal light and low moisture, PMK Glycidate primarily degrades slowly to piperonylic acid or forms minor amounts of condensation products over time. To minimize degradation, it should be stored in an airtight, light-resistant container with desiccants if long-term stability is required.
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Exactly. Like I said, it all depends on conditions of storage, being in a 30 degree F room is ok, not so much when it's humidity is in the high 70% like by the ocean.. I was saying in general as well, as I didn't have much of idea. But it's "Some semi-educated guesses might be Piperonal or maybe it's corresponding cousins was pretty dang close." If you ask me.thank you for chiming in about hydrosis as I complete forgot about that. I guess as you said desiccant being replaced would be needed in my neck of the woods. Irreguardless, it would still have to be sealed pretty fucking tight reguardless. IDK how relevant, but I kinda remember watching moonshiners one episode and what's his face went legal. They either the company he got hired independently and or who he sold out to wanted to control EVERYTHING, SEAL IT ALL UP, the mash etc etc. MAKE SURE EACH BATCH WAS 100% "CONSISTENT". The shiner tim that sold out got F$&#&- pissed as well it tasted DISGUSTING he said. Said basically "What are you doing. What makes shine .. shine is is that you need to open it up a little and let natural yeast from the air and Nitrogen come into play." If you are trying to make an " industrial product." That's like cool and all but it tastes like rubbing alcohol to me. There no micro brew that is really the heart of the product. I don't think it was this episode but it was similar.
Eitherway how would someone PROPERLY store/seal multiple 55 gallon drums of the glycidate ... How long was it sitting before it got to you? Are the bulk suppliers even properly storing it?
And what would be the proper inert gas for it, how else would you prevent 21% 02, the nitrogen and heck even the natural yeasts are primarily composed of a cell wall made up of polysaccharides like mannose oligosaccharides and beta-glucans, along with a cytoplasm containing a high proportion of proteins, essential amino acids, vitamins (particularly B vitamins), minerals like potassium and phosphorus, and other water-soluble substances like peptides and ribonucleotides; the exact composition can vary depending on the yeast species and growth conditions from getting it.
I wouldn't exactly know but could also imagine if a drum was made of Aluminum/nickel or even possibly small ammounts of lead but as the Chinese love to use lead to make more expensive metals cheaper in order to make said metal more easily bendable cheaply... I guess not so much ever since so many people had vape pens in California fail labs for lead, this is because they say 6+ months and the lead leeched in and every BULK MEDICAL supplier got fucking pissed they threw out so many carts because testing at some point took forever. So maybe even a mix with sodium or potassium with something else. I imagine magnesium, manganese, or silicon if aluminum is used..
IDK just think aloud. I mean don't Metals like aluminum (Al), magnesium (Mg), titanium (Ti), iron (Fe), zinc (Zn), and transition metals like manganese (Mn) can react with epoxides, typically by acting as catalysts to facilitate the ring-opening reaction of the epoxide through nucleophilic attack, often in the presence of a co-catalyst or specific reaction conditions; this is particularly relevant in the copolymerization of epoxides with carbon dioxide to produce cyclic carbonates.
I guess maybe polypropylene sealed drums? Is the next person that gets it gonna know or are they going to use PEG/PVC haphazardly... Are they putting oxygen absorbers in to boot then? I guess maybe realistically for 25kg PP food saver bags then enclosed in mylar with oxygen absorbers and silica gel absorption beads for moisture, are people even going that far? The last one seems semi realistic but are they?
Anyways, I tried with the knowledge I had to help break it down some... And your points bring up other points..
Even if you could lay down how to properly store, 100kg if the labs arent distilling freebase, or purifying ketone, or not gasing or whatever else including making methylamine but end up producing di or trimethylamine instead going to hot or whatever...
Why would they store it so no contaminating compounds with desiccant in inert atmosphere at proper temps, not mess anything up?
Eitherway I should have looked at epoxides stupid me. Anyways
In the end we have the Walter White's and the Tim/ Tickles of the world
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Something is wrong with the bad MDMA that was available the other day too
unodelacosa
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I notice you're using quotes on "MDMA" which implies euphemism. In other words, that's not MDMA. Some of these imposters are hard to identify and occasionally include just enough real MDMA to throw off drug testing attempts, but as I and others have attested ☞ real, nystagmus-inducing, empathy-boosting, 5HT-dumping, anxiolytic-but-stimulating, oxytocin-releasing, live-in-the-moment-causing, good-ol'-fashion, down-home country dl-3,4-MDMA hydrochloride, just like mama used to make, is out there. Real MDMA is out there.
In the words of Jerry Garcia:
Or if you prefer the IUPAC name: (RS)-1-(1,3-Benzodioxol-5-yl)-N-methylpropan-2-amine. That compound hasn't changed, and it's out there. Don't believe the hype. It's just unscrupulous jackasses selling fake shit, the same dickwads behind that monkey garbage they call "Tusibi" which is really just ketamine, coke, RC stims at times, MDMA other times if they have it, and pink food dye. Mill it up and give it a name that's easily confused with "2C-B", and voila! I'm not into drug potluck, ya know? And I realize the irony of that statement, as well, but sometimes you gotta draw the line somewhere, hypocritical or not.
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So what is wrong with this thread of a million posts that askes what is wrong with the current MDMA. Bah! Just kidding.
I really wish I could chime in. All MDMA I have had was very similar. However it was the early days. I would love to try one of these blinded fold taste tests of two MDMA's that a person says one is good and one is meh. I would for sure add more conjecture to this thread but would side on the side of chemistry more than subjective experience.
I really wish I could chime in. All MDMA I have had was very similar. However it was the early days. I would love to try one of these blinded fold taste tests of two MDMA's that a person says one is good and one is meh. I would for sure add more conjecture to this thread but would side on the side of chemistry more than subjective experience.
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as far as ive been seeing, it's made a miraculous comeback
probably because sales dropped from less demand
10 years ago, most of what i was seeing sucked
or i just have good connects - but it's been really good lately
that's usually what happens
coke is a little better now too from what ive been seeing
i heard they're sitting on tons that cant really move in S. America
ppl were ruining it with fent too so it scared a shitload of ppl
probably because sales dropped from less demand
10 years ago, most of what i was seeing sucked
or i just have good connects - but it's been really good lately
that's usually what happens
coke is a little better now too from what ive been seeing
i heard they're sitting on tons that cant really move in S. America
ppl were ruining it with fent too so it scared a shitload of ppl
unodelacosa
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Nah, I think hip-hop artists have breathed new life into it over the years every time there's a single with someone rapping about poppin' mollies. The same effect has occurred with Percocet, Xanax, lean, and cocaine hydrochloride. Meanwhile Ketamine popularity seems sky high currently, something I would've never guessed back when I first tried it in '97, and I'm not sure why today's younger generations seem so obsessed with it. Perhaps it's because of its recently approved use for depression, but I can only speculate…
unodelacosa
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Anecdotal reports online make it seem like that could be case, but I've been getting good clean stuff for at least a decade through multiple sources.
I can tell you from coast to coast I can find good molly in the US. The UK seems like they were struggling for a number of years to have good mandy on the market, but at the moment, reports make it seem like it might be better. Germany and the Netherlands are also good, I think, not sure about the rest of Europe and can't speak on the other continents & countries, except I heard they have good molly in Chile, FWIW…
specialrelativity
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Have you ever read Bruce Eisner"s MDMA --The Ecstasy story?
unodelacosa
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Many years ago while I was locked up. Why do you ask?
I'd also like to point out that the quality of LSD currently seems like it's through the roof everywhere. Also, 2C-B is still pure, uncut and readily available in a lot of cities, and besides – MDMA is slightly overrated anyways, in this humble psychonaut's opinion anyway. Your proverbial fuel efficiency may vary, metaphorically speaking that is…
Didgital
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We all gotta eat right?
You should look into LAME (Lysergic acid methyl ester) though this is not the place to discuss it.