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Benzos Elipam/Elikem Diaz.

Have you had those. Think they are legit. I saw them on wedinos and I they showed etizolam only, but that was 1 sample.
I think the doses might be all-over the school.
Mi also get dizpam 10mg which again seem inconsistent.

My plans is to get from where I am now 2x10mg diazepam twice a day.
Then I think I'll move to an etizolam only diet, starting with 2mg a day, then biting them into 2, then 4 then quit.

I know it'll suck but I think that's the best way, cos etizolam withdrawal isn't as bad as diazepam.
I've quit pregabalin completely now.

Then its gonna be magic mushrooms once a fortnight or month and maybe acid on special occasions. MDMA possibly but again, rarely.

It feels good to be going the right way.. I can't wait be off benzo's and deal with life. I fucking love mushrooms now and see them as my new medicine, they help me and my gf talk about shit and open up which is therapeutic and fun, and is making our relationship stronger.
 
Bleaney said:
Yes it is all highly subjective.

Sounds like I had forgotten or mixed up what strength alpraz as meant to be. My experience with xanax has been limited to getting a few bags of bars, off a 'contact', and then losing / deleting the conversation about the dose, so I never knew (or forgot) what it was. And I just ground them all down to a powder, and weighed out what dose of powder (not pure - including fillers and binders etc) worked for me.

I remember my tolerance rising over the course of about 2-3 years from around 15mg to up to 65 - 80 mg (one whole square broken off the bar of 4.)

Those 2 or 3 bags of bars lasted me a very long time, due to resuming on the minimal effective dose after my first taper and abstinnece.

It was inevitably when I stopped taking break days, on the second time round, that my tolerance got hit.


I really dont agree that Etiz is a rubbish benzo. In terms of it's dependence liability and forgiveness when it comes to w/ds it's meant to be one of the best, perhaps the very best, in that situation. Also the 6-10 times greater anxiolysis than diazepam, cant be a bad thing imo.

That said, not all brands are equal, of course. I'm not very keen on the pink Etikems. Aven though Wedinos tested them as OK. But I have seen one bizzare result naming etiz and nicotine (I suspect contamination.) And a couple of times I've not been able to notice ANY effects, even after taking a 2nd tablet. (Although this could also be due to clonaz having potentially raised my tolerance to 4 mg of etiz.)

However the Etilaam brand were excellent. I got many years benefit (and abuse) out of them! The Atizolms were perfectly fine too. In terms of consistency, reliabilty, and strength. I think the batch from the vendor I was using had been poorly stored though or maybe it was too long out of date. As I was ordering off the same vendor for maybe 2 years or so until they ran out, and it was always the same - a faint wet ashtray smell and taste. Not the fresh sweet / medical taste that the Etilaams had. But they worked fine, which of course was teh main thing.

At first after my period of abstinnece I'd be comfortbale on half of 1 mg, or less. Now thanks to Clonaz I cant even feel 1mg. Or maybe these Etikems are inconsistent with some pills having no active ingredient.
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Those pink erikems aren't bunk dude, they were good, it's clonazepam fucking your tolerance. I think alot of people take wat too much, since it comes in 2mg tablets, but they don't feel strong, but different benzo's will concentrate on anxiety, muscle relaxation, etc, differently, and clonazepam doesn't feel as stong as it actually is.
Those pink erikems were fine until I started doing stronger benzo's.
I would ditch the clonazepam and let your tolerance adjust.
Etizolam isn't worth faking because they put it in fake diazepam etc anyway, so if someone wants etizolam, they may as well use it.
Inconsistent doses are a problem with cheap benzo's, I've found.
 
axe battler said:
Have you had those. Think they are legit. I saw them on wedinos and I they showed etizolam only, but that was 1 sample.
I think the doses might be all-over the school.
Mi also get dizpam 10mg which again seem inconsistent.

My plans is to get from where I am now 2x10mg diazepam twice a day.
Then I think I'll move to an etizolam only diet, starting with 2mg a day, then biting them into 2, then 4 then quit.

I know it'll suck but I think that's the best way, cos etizolam withdrawal isn't as bad as diazepam.
I've quit pregabalin completely now.

Then its gonna be magic mushrooms once a fortnight or month and maybe acid on special occasions. MDMA possibly but again, rarely.

It feels good to be going the right way.. I can't wait be off benzo's and deal with life. I fucking love mushrooms now and see them as my new medicine, they help me and my gf talk about shit and open up which is therapeutic and fun, and is making our relationship stronger.
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Sounds like you're doing well @axe battler

They do say, when it comes to major habit or lifestyle changes, that it's not so much about where you're currently at, but more about which direction, or trajectory your heading in. It sounds like you are heading in the right direction, so that's great.

I agree that Etiz is known for being a more forgiving benzo to w/d from. It does have the downside of a short duration though, meaning uou might need to dose 2 or 3 times a day, And also if you're not sure if the doses are consistent, that will play absolute havoc with any taper.

You need to be able to rely 100% on your doses, as you're probably going to be making very gradual reduction over quite a long time period.

If you have found a supply of consistently dosed tablets, maybe you could switch to etiz for the bulk of your taper, and then once you're down to the end stages, maybe switch to diaz, diclaz, or even clonaz just for the last few weeks. That might 'trick your brain' into thinking it's only withdrawing from etiz, and a very brief and constantly reducing amount of diaz or clon. Which would probably be better than coming of a several years straight habit of high doses of clonaz.

I'm hearing that clonaz is bad to w/d from. I've also heard the same about Loraz. Nitraz is also meant to be extremely physically addictive.

Using etiz is a good idea, but it's not going to be without complications, imo. Etiz may be best used as a regular or maintenance benzo, as Diaz is the usualy recommended benzo for tapering, due to the long duration.
 
Bleaney said:
Sounds like you're doing well @axe battler

They do say, when it comes to major habit or lifestyle changes, that it's not so much about where you're currently at, but more about which direction, or trajectory your heading in. It sounds like you are heading in the right direction, so that's great.

I agree that Etiz is known for being a more forgiving benzo to w/d from. It does have the downside of a short duration though, meaning uou might need to dose 2 or 3 times a day, And also if you're not sure if the doses are consistent, that will play absolute havoc with any taper.

You need to be able to rely 100% on your doses, as you're probably going to be making very gradual reduction over quite a long time period.

If you have found a supply of consistently dosed tablets, maybe you could switch to etiz for the bulk of your taper, and then once you're down to the end stages, maybe switch to diaz, diclaz, or even clonaz just for the last few weeks. That might 'trick your brain' into thinking it's only withdrawing from etiz, and a very brief and constantly reducing amount of diaz or clon. Which would probably be better than coming of a several years straight habit of high doses of clonaz.

I'm hearing that clonaz is bad to w/d from. I've also heard the same about Loraz. Nitraz is also meant to be extremely physically addictive.

Using etiz is a good idea, but it's not going to be without complications, imo. Etiz may be best used as a regular or maintenance benzo, as Diaz is the usualy recommended benzo for tapering, due to the long duration.
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Aye mate, thanks. I've stopped taking these cheap clonaz cos again doses were inconsistent.
Tbh though they're underdosed, which in a way is good cos it means my habit isn't as bad as I thought.
I have 2-3 strips of dizpam10 so perhaps I should use the etiz first, then the diaz.
Food for thought l, cheers.
 
I dont know if pills, with all their binders and fillings, will dissolve well into PG.

What I do with many non coated benzos, is to get the weight of one full pill, and then crush a number of them down, and just measure out the doses on a 0.000 scale, which is accurate enough, I think.
 
For me, they did not dissolve at all in PG. The powder would simply sink to the bottom and no amount of shaking would make it diffuse.

What I did was make an emulsion instead using water and PG and a blender. That works really well and seems to form an emulsion with particles of the powder sticking within it. While I would still shake the bottle to be sure of good distribution the emulsion seemed to hold and I didn't notice sinking. I was making a very dilute solution, eg 50mg diaz in say 230ml water and 20ml PG for 250ml emulsion. As has been brought up before, long term storage would likely be an issue, so don't try that, but I kept it in the fridge and using it a measuring jug you can very precisely manage your dose. With blue diaz tablets, the resulting emulsion is a slightly milky pale blue.
 
axe battler said:
And gel caps are cheep x
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I just dab my dose straight off the scale pan. I'm pretty sure the onset must be quicker that way, although the effects might not last quite as long. I'm sure you knew that, but just wondered why you're thinking of gelcaps. Handy for when you're out and about I guess.

I don't think you lose any 'material' by consuming them directly crushed.
 
I got one of those micro spoon / spatulas for lab measuring off ebay for a fiver or something. So much better and easier to get the weight spot on, compared to attempting to pour the crushed powder out of a container to get the exact weight required.

I think you may be OK using measured crushed benzo doses all the way to complete your taper. The only thing is the standard 0.000 scales start to lose their accuracy when the doses get below around 0.012 / 12mg or so. But considering many whole tablets weigh 200mg, (I know bensedin diaz does, and a few other types too) so by the time you get as low as 15mg you'd be ready to jump. As ready as you'll ever be.

It was only ever an issue for me when I was using those 2mg xanax bars and cubes. Each whole 2mg cube felt so strong after a previous taper and period of abstinence I could have used less than 12mg of the 80mg that each full cube weighed, if only the scales had been more capable of measuring very low doses.

That's where the pure powders and PG comes in for measuring low doses accurately, but as has been stated elsewhere, the reliability of benzo powders is not what it was in the days of the legit and legal RC companies in the 2010s.
 
Yeah it might take a bit of trial and error switching from one type of benzo to another, or even from one brand of the same benzo to a diffferent brand.

The only Etiz ive been able to get recently are those pink Elikems / Etkems. I have my doubts about them, and they are a lot more expensive than other benzos.
 
Something else to add to the Elipam/Elikem brand is the Nitrazepam, i bought some for when i need knock out sleep, they melt fine but had that perfectly crisp and clean minty taste that Clonazepam has.

Could be as they are not too dissimilar in effect.
 
Nitrazepam does also taste minty so it's hard to tell. I find nitraz more bitter and clonazepam is usually sweeter? But as they put sweetness in tablets a lot of the time, it's hard to distinguish.
Wedinos? Even if you just search the brand of nitraz, if they're all legit then yours should be too.
 
Thank you, i had no idea how nitraz tasted.
I'm on 30mg diaz maintenance and sometimes miss out, or have a night of really broken sleep, i'm working seven days per week up to the 24th so need the rest sometimes, if i have a bad night i will use a Nitraz as Clonaz left me too lazy the next day, whilst the Nitraz actually feels slightly energetic the next day.
 
50shadesofDave said:
Thank you, i had no idea how nitraz tasted.
I'm on 30mg diaz maintenance and sometimes miss out, or have a night of really broken sleep, i'm working seven days per week up to the 24th so need the rest sometimes, if i have a bad night i will use a Nitraz as Clonaz left me too lazy the next day, whilst the Nitraz actually feels slightly energetic the next day.
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Sounds legit as nitrazepam lasts less time than clonazepam.
Please beware as I read nitrazepam is one of the more physically addictive ones.
You tried zopiclone? Or not a fan?
 
Man i would rather IV baking soda than take zopiclone again, that taste alone keeps me awake, i have around 20 here stashed that i was sent.
Zolpidem on the other hand i found to be really enjoyable, so much that i need to steer clear of it.

But Zopiclone is up there as the worst drug i've ever taken.
 
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