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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

Bleaney said:
Sorry to hear you've been through a shitty time. I hope things start looking up soon.

I read somewhere that Nitrazepam is highly addictive, and as we all know that all benzos are addictive, I interpreted that to mean that it's even more addictive than most other benzos.

I think it's because it's one of the heavy duty 'big guns.' I wouldn't want to take it for more than a few days. And I've always taken care not to.

You can feel in the effects that it's a heavy hitter. Not something that you would want your receptors to become adjusted to, and to start craving for.

On that effects profile jpg I posted in this thread a few months ago, that shows that 5mg of Nitraz = 2mg of clonazepam for sedative effects. As I usually take 10mg Nitraz tablets that would fully explain why I find them so heavy hitting. 2mg of clonazepam is itself a high dose compared to 10mg of diazepam etc.

Nitraz also scores slightly more highly than clon for psychological anxiety relief, and slightly less for physical anxiety relief. Again as I've been taking 10mg rather than 5, I've personally found it to be much better for physical relaxation.

I've just seen on another equivalence table that they are rating 10mg of nitraz = 0.5mg of Clonazepam. No way is that right! That is miles out!

I can barely feel 1/4 of 2mg of clonazepam, where as I would definately know about it if I'd taken 10mg of Nitrazepam.

I've never tried a 5mg Nitrazepam dose, but I could imagine that being roughly equivalent to 2mg of clonazepam.
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Thanks dude. Things are looking up.

I ordered them out of curiosity really and had the impression that they were mainly a kind of "sleeper" benzo? Didn't realise that nitrazepam was this potent and these are 10mg! So that's the equivalent of taking 4mg of clonazepam in one go? Sounds like a heavy sedative which was partly the idea even though I'm sleeping fine. Of course I have a high tolerance and it'll be even further out of whack as a result of eating those street benzos as I can get them dirt cheap and got them from my mate who buys whole tubs and sells me big bags at the same he pays (mates rates).

When I buy them, my idea is usually to keep them as an "insurance policy" (stupid idea, never works) in case I was to run out of diazepam which very nearly happened recently but these are likely to be bromazolam which seems to work in a very similar way to alprazolam - more sedating and less "fun" but similar duration of effects and therefore more chance of compulsive re-dosing and on the street, most people will eat a whole "batch" of these in one go, so 15-20 "street valium" tablets depending on where you are and who you're buying off for £10 containing an unknown compound, likely bromazolam at an unknown dose but if dosed correctly, at around 3mg I think, that's like swallowing 45mg of bromazolam assuming that you got a batch containing 15. Insane.

Now I am just gonna stash them away as I have enough diazepam and am starting to stabilise back down to 30mg a day. Only got 36 or so left anyway which would be two batches on the street and I only ever took one at a time but as I said, they have a very short half-life compared to actual diazepam which is the benzo I use. When I was right down I was probably back on 30mg a day due to taking half a tablet instead of a full one and I'd say my usual average would be 50mg a day if I was being sensible.

But as for the nitrazepam, I wont be taking them and then getting behind the wheel today haha! I'll wait until I've done all my bizbiz for the day, maybe just drop a whole one for the evening and see what happens.

Hope you're well bro, good to hear from you.

@sadasaulna I get Bensedin from a trusted source and have only had fakes once a few years back when the Bensedin brand changed. All fakes I've had have contained bromazolam except for one time when I got literal chalk tablets as I went to a different vendor. Literal "no active component" test result. Still got them! They were good enough to replace my order with a further 90 of the same batch but with different coloured writing and then eventually replaced them with clonazepam which was handy actually.

They were one of the vendors I'd go to if my usual one wasn't operational for whatever reason but they always seemed to have fakes yet had really decent customer service. They must just have shit suppliers. They also claimed to have all kinds of highly unlikely products like temazepam but they are never real (in fact, I was just looking through wedinos for results on nitrazepam and that was the active ingredient in a "temazepam" tablet!). My back up is usually decent but they take 2-4 days to ship whereas my man has my order to me the next day.

I didn't realise you were talking about alprazolam. I ordered some as a treat to myself but was worried as they are so often faked. My go-to brand is Ksalol but when they came through the door, I knew they were legit due to that horrible taste! But when I last looked on wedinos, there were so many fake Ksalol and they seem to be the main brand, a bit like Bensedin is to diazepam.

Agree on clonazepam too. Probably the most "boring" benzo but they are handy to have around if you have a habit like mine (and they taste nice!).

@50shadesofDave Nice to read your message. I am lucky in that I never seem to get fake Bensedin from my vendor but I think I saw some dodgy results on Wedinos. They have been my go-to brand for many years and same with the vendor.

I am to start tapering soon and will be keeping a diary which I did when last tapering but I have to get into the right headspace/get my shit sorted you know?

But I am always open to a chat so feel free to message me. I will share the results of my taper once I get around to it in this thread but as I said, just not there yet.

Hope you're cool guys. Stay safe! :cool:
 
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pharaoh said:
Thanks dude. Things are looking up.

I ordered them out of curiosity really and had the impression that they were mainly a kind of "sleeper" benzo? Didn't realise that nitrazepam was this potent and these are 10mg! So that's the equivalent of taking 4mg of clonazepam in one go? Sounds like a heavy sedative which was partly the idea even though I'm sleeping fine.
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Yes they are defintely made with sedation in mind. Obviously the name is a bit of a clue.

Information online seems to be mixed, but I think it was a reliable source that mentioned the increased addiction liability, and I trust the equiavalence tables that equate 10mg of nitraz to 4mg of clon much more than I trust another one I saw equating 10mg nitraz to 0.5 clon.

The former just feels subjectively about right, in terms of dose equivalence, the latter, no way.

I don't know why evceryone is suddenly rating clonazepam as 'boring'. For me I find it a very good all rounder, and seeing as it has now raised my tolerance I'd now need to spend at least twice as much on diazepam or anything else to get an equivalent dose as 20mg of diaz = 2mg of clon etc. Maybe even 30 / 2. All tehse equivalence tables are subjective imo. I think I'd need 25-30mg of diaz to get the equivalent total comfort that just under 2mg of clon is giving me. And that would be a lot more expensive. Plus there's all the fakery issues with diaz, even though there do seem to be a few vendors gaining a rep for authentic products.

The bottom line for me is that clon offers the best value for money in terms of bang for buck. Although it was using clonazepam that is to blame for raising my tolerance to just under 2mg in the first place!

At least I'm now in a poisition to be able to take benzo break days, or at least a 'much reduced dose for as long as possible' days. This should at least go towards helping to prevent my tolerance from rising any further.

I should really be doing more, but just for now, taking whatever measures I can to prevent things getting any worse will do!!
 
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Bleaney said:
I don't know why evceryone is suddenly rating clonazepam as 'boring'.
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I rate benzos by their "warmth", that lovely glow you get when reading a book and chilling just feeling like you're on a cloud. Warmest for me is Etizolam followed by Diazepam.

I found Clonazepam, Alprazolam and Lorazepam to be "colder" drugs. Lorazepam the least interesting for me. Just sedation and virtually nothing else going on. Didn't even help with panic. I was still panicking, just felt sedated.

While I find Alprazolam on the colder side, its still fairly nice and I mainly only ever used it for panic attacks which I found were its sweet spot. Took some before a dental appt once too, as I have a phobia.

Clonazepam is fine, but it was right in the middle for me, reasonable but nothing special. But good value, because the 2mg tabs were scored both ways, so could cut them in quarters with a craft blade.
 
pharaoh said:
They also claimed to have all kinds of highly unlikely products like temazepam but they are never real (in fact, I was just looking through wedinos for results on nitrazepam and that was the active ingredient in a "temazepam" tablet!).
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Sites that have drugs that are genuinely hard to get hold of are a massive red flag for fake or even outright scam. I found one site said it had quaaludes! Suuuure, Jan. "Genuine Pfizer Xanax you say?" GTFO.
 
sadasaulna said:
I rate benzos by their "warmth", that lovely glow you get when reading a book and chilling just feeling like you're on a cloud. Warmest for me is Etizolam followed by Diazepam.

I found Clonazepam, Alprazolam and Lorazepam to be "colder" drugs. Lorazepam the least interesting for me. Just sedation and virtually nothing else going on. Didn't even help with panic. I was still panicking, just felt sedated.

While I find Alprazolam on the colder side, its still fairly nice and I mainly only ever used it for panic attacks which I found were its sweet spot. Took some before a dental appt once too, as I have a phobia.

Clonazepam is fine, but it was right in the middle for me, reasonable but nothing special. But good value, because the 2mg tabs were scored both ways, so could cut them in quarters with a craft blade.
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that was really good description, much better I could come up with.

Diazepam is for me the most recreational.

I've been off benzos for two weeks now or something, the waves are really mild now and come rarely, but I had shitty one* monday or tuesday, since then nothing remarkable.

I should score some benzos for friend, might be I take one or two myself and get few days of rebounds again, because, you know, I have a habit of executing bad ideas. I'll wish the best :rolleyes::facepalm:

*very minor, but any amount of BZD WDs suck so bad.
 
Hi folks i hope you're all being good.

I think i might need some advice as my year smashes from one negative to another.
Lost my employment last week after doing 60hrs per week and 12hrs that day.

As some of you will know i'd only just re-instated at 30mg diaz and have been settled for a good few weeks.
I've landed a job today (depending on references) again! a job i really want also.
Only i need to complete a four day course which doesn't start until 21st October, i would start work the following week. (pay).

Thing is i've only 8 strips of bens available. 15 per strip.
I did have some clonaz but a FB pal took those, only 24 like.

How do i navigate this situation? any thoughts welcome, i'm thinking of dropping the 10mg that is split into two 4pm and 6pm, then usually take two an hour before i go to bed. Thoughts?

I'm sailing this boat into an iceberg!
 
Ok, so based on your current 30mg/day you have 40 days left. If your supply is dwindling and financial circumstances would get in the way of obtaining more, now could be a good time be reducing from 30mg. Try for 25mg to start with. Aim to get yourself to 20mg. You don't want to find yourself in a position with none and CTing from that dose, that would be horrendous. Best of luck with the new job and hopefully it gets you in a place you can restock. But I really think you need to be moving down from 30mg. You'll save money and you're health will be better in the long term. If you do it slowly enough the widthdrawals may be unpleasant but not hideous. I'm not suggesting you become a saint and drop to 0mg, but as low as possible with save you money and make a stash last a lot longer.

I had really bad crisis a few weeks ago an it resulted in me doing between 10-20mg for a couple of days. I'm back to 5mg and did notice increased anxiety and a bit of paranoia but it seems to be stabilising and i'm doing fine on 5mg now.

My two pennies.
 
Yea i've dropped 5mg, but only been two days.
I need to be on form for the induction course though, hence a wish to maintain.
I will keep you updated.

Appreciate the reply dude.
 
Got told today by CMHT that I have likely got Autism. Always thought myself mildly on the spectrum but they've referred my GP to give me a full test. Its messed with me head. I don't think I'm autistic, but if do Its been very high functioning so maybe got expert at masking it.
 
You might feel a bit of extra anxiety and possibly paranoia, but remind yourself these are withdrawals not your actual state of mind.
 
sadasaulna said:
Got told today by CMHT that I have likely got Autism. Always thought myself mildly on the spectrum but they've referred my GP to give me a full test. Its messed with me head. I don't think I'm autistic, but if do Its been very high functioning so maybe got expert at masking it.
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It was suggested to me a few times before I was ready to accept it, although I did look into it at some of those times.

There was so much garbage and misleading information about Autism on the internet in years gone by, and that lead me to rule myself out a couple of times, before something in particular really made the penny drop and for things to click. Plus by that point I was open to accepting the possibilty. And fortunately this time round the information I've encountered has been a lot more helpful and accurate.

By the way, GPs usually cant give full tests for Autism, most of them know extremely little about it, and it needs in depth assessments via specialists.

The GP may give you a 10 or 50 point questionnaire. You'll probably get the 10 point one tbh seeing as how pushed they are for time.

Similar to how I got asked a 6 point q'naire before being put on SSRIs.

It's so easy to manipulate these sort of 'tests' as to whether you want to have the thing or not and the end result it provides.

Subconsciously or not.

I wouldnt put too much faith into the validity if you just get the 10 pointer. I looked into it myself properly and did the 50 point AQ (Autism Quotient), along with loads of other reasearch.

By that point I was open to the possibility that I probably was on the spectrum. It has helped knowing and understanding many reasons behind things once you go down the rabbit hole of learning about it.

If you do have Autism, it's very likely to be the main driver of your Bz use, as it is my case, with all the sensory issues, and the social anxiety, and awkwardness.
 
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50shadesofDave said:
Hi folks i hope you're all being good.

I think i might need some advice as my year smashes from one negative to another.
Lost my employment last week after doing 60hrs per week and 12hrs that day.

As some of you will know i'd only just re-instated at 30mg diaz and have been settled for a good few weeks.
I've landed a job today (depending on references) again! a job i really want also.
Only i need to complete a four day course which doesn't start until 21st October, i would start work the following week. (pay).

Thing is i've only 8 strips of bens available. 15 per strip.
I did have some clonaz but a FB pal took those, only 24 like.

How do i navigate this situation? any thoughts welcome, i'm thinking of dropping the 10mg that is split into two 4pm and 6pm, then usually take two an hour before i go to bed. Thoughts?

I'm sailing this boat into an iceberg!
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Cold turkey 🦃
 
Thank you for the replies folks.

Cold turkey is not the way, certainly not from a few years sustained dailly dosing.
I ended up in that position myself earlier this year and fell apart mentally.
Far too many symptoms to cope with, i live alone and won't be found if i have a serious seizure.
I dropped last time and wet myself, that may have been fainting as i did'nt eat for a couple of days.

My plan after re-instating was to get the year over with whilst saving and buying my whole taper amount in one purchase and go for it next year.

Now i'm going into a wanted change of career, but i can't do it whilst in withdrawals.
So i'm trying my best to ration and stay sane at the same time.

Apologies if it reads like a ramble i've only slept for two hours, i've had a bad back and finding a comfortable position to lay down is difficult.

Always appreciated folks, take care yourselves.
 
Survival0200 said:
This "no benzos"-policy there seems to be these days isn't funny. :( The doc said I should go running when I have anxiety - no meds. I think this just pushes people to use other drugs or alcohol to relieve their anxiety.
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If you’re in the UK, getting anything for anxiety these days is being pushed to antidepressants, even privately - you’ll struggle.

And running, don’t dismiss it without trying it. It’s free and it won’t hurt.
 
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