Tryptamines The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 5th Blast

[MedicinalUser247]

What's the difference between 5-MeO-aMT and AMT ? And what would happen if you changed 5-MeO-aMT into 5-Methoxy-Methylalphamethyltryptamine ? Or AMT into Methylalphamethyltryptamine ?

 

[Blowmonkey]

World of difference, potency wise, effects are extremely psychedelic compared to regular amt, one of the most visually weird things I've tried. Maybe the bodyload is comparable, gi issues were a regular occurence on it, moreso than on amt.

 

[Achten]

I have always taken 30-40mg aMT freebase.
Now that vial is empty and i have tried succinate.

36mg aMT succinate was Nice but a tad too light for my taste. Next time Will try 45-50mg.

I seriously think lots of People taking 60+Mg are not taking the freebase. 40mg of freebase was so visually obnoxious that i couldn't see what was happening. Mentally great Fun though . 33mg freebase was ideal. Lots of euphoria, empathy, visuals.

 

[Baboooon87]

Hi, I have a question concerning different salts of amt.

What is the difference between the hemifumarate salt versus the fumarate ?

From what I understand it should be more potent by weight compared to fumarate but can anyone confirm that this is the case ?

Thank you.

 

[Bicycle Tripper]

Sorry I can't help with the question above, but I have my own similar question and I wonder if anyone can answer it.

I have about 2g of aMT and I'm trying to understand if I have the freebase or salt.

I assumed I had one of the salts as my aMT does not have a strong unpleasant smell as I have seen reported by others of the freebase. Additionally, it does not seem to have degraded much in the time since I purchased it in 2021, which I assume was some years after it was manufactured as it had been illegal since 2015 (its possible it was manufactured illicitly more recently of course).

I tried to dissolve ~5mg aMT in 1ml of water and even with a good bit of stirring it did not appear to dissolve at all. I then added some vinegar and it dissolved quickly.

Has anyone had freebase aMT that does not have a strong unpleasant odour? Mine is reminiscent of DMT but a little more flowery perhaps. The odour does penetrate two baggies that some of this is stored in, the rest is in an amber vial.

Is there any other way I could determine whether this is freebase? It would be useful to know for dosing although I will start on the low side regardless.

 

[Geishagifts]

World of difference, potency wise, effects are extremely psychedelic compared to regular amt, one of the most visually weird things I've tried. Maybe the bodyload is comparable, gi issues were a regular occurence on it, moreso than on amt.

World of difference, potency wise, effects are extremely psychedelic compared to regular amt, one of the most visually weird things I've tried. Maybe the bodyload is comparable, gi issues were a regular occurence on it, moreso than on amt.

Wish either was available on my area. Both sound fantastic.

 

[Bicycle Tripper]

Is there any other way I could determine whether this is freebase? It would be useful to know for dosing although I will start on the low side regardless.

In the end I also tried melting a little aMT on foil and it turned to liquid quickly, so I was pretty sure it was freebase in the end. I took 48mg at about 11.30am and I was tripping for a good 12 hours, it was more visual than I expected but to be honest I didn't find the experience very deep and the body load meant I felt I couldn't get up and move around much, so I felt trapped on the sofa for a long time. Interesting stuff but I'm not sure I'll be re-visiting it any time soon, except perhaps in 5mg doses as an antidepressant.

 

[Baboooon87]

Hell yeah, this drug is fucking amazing. Been dancing around in my room with my toes pointed feeling like the fucking grinch on prosac !

From what I understand most of you have this in freebase form because I have the fumarate salt and the doses I take are about double what people are describing in this thread. This lead me to the question : why is this tryptamine distributed as the freebase ? Is smoking amt a big thing because I can't see any other reason why they would choose that form instead of a more stable salt.

 

[red22]

Is it similar to DMT at all?

 

[Baboooon87]

Is it similar to DMT at all?

No, not much to do with dmt other than being a tryptamine. Il is similar to methamphetamine with an added psychedelic twist.

 

[red22]

A psychedelic phenethylamine twist or a psychedelic tryptamine twist?

 

[Baboooon87]

Tryptamine of course. The same drug with a phenethylamine skeleton is plain old speed. Replacing it with an indole tilts the effects a bit more towards a serotonergic activity making it more psychedelic and entactogenic in flavor while also retaining most of the the stimulating component of the alpha-methyl portion of the molecule.

 

[Baboooon87]

Fuck, now I can't find the vial containing the aMT... no idea whatsoever of where I could have hidden it yesterday...this is NOT funny ! hahahaha

 

[red22]

Also, the comparison to methamphetamine deserves elaboration since that substance has a bad reputation. Indeed, even low doses of amphetamines and Ritalin give me a crash (I'm prone to it because I'm severely depressed). How is AMT's risk factor in this regard?

 

[Baboooon87]

Yeah I am aware of this '' reputation '' that in my opinion has been way overblown by the media and many people who have never even taken it. As for the crash I am also aware people get them after a speed session but this in my opinion is more a result of lifestyle choices than the drugs themselves. I used to have them in the beginning but don' t anymore since I fixed my nutrition and also became aware of the importance of maintaining electrolyte levels and balance during my using sessions. I have been taking amphetamine type of stimulants regularly for almost 20 years so I had the opportunity try many approaches to mitigate the side effects that I find are not that bad to begin with.

To answer your question about if or not aMT is the same in that regard I would say that in my limited experience with it ( around 5 times ) it does not have any crash whatsoever. Usually, I will end up falling asleep late into the experience and wake up a few hours later feeling refreshed with a nice afterglow. My comparison with speed was only in the very general sense to illustrate that it is stimulating, clear headed , euphoric and awakens a sense of curiosity. That being said it is not exactly the same kind of stimulation. A bit more like the stimulation you get from LSD but with more body sensations. So a bit like 2c-B or Moxy without the visuals. Hope these analogies are helpful in any way.

I finally found the vial I had lost. I had put it in the case with my scale so there was still a certain logic after all.

 

[Chemicalfascination]

Have done amt a bunch of times in the past and rediscovered it a few years ago when I found this thread and read Xorkoths posts. I find it is nothing like DMT, more like a pleasantly psychedelic, speedy MDMA type roll that doesn't crash out for me, but then I use it sparingly, something like 80mg of succinate in solution up the tail pipe every 2-3 months. It slowly fades out and leaves me with a nice after glow for a day or two.
On the other hand if I use some Diazepam at the tail end of the experience it leaves me tired and a bit faded the next days, but at least my jaw becomes somewhat more relaxed and I can get some sleep.
A combination I like is taking some Oxycodone with my AMT, gives you the psychedelic euphoric nods. A whole Oxycontin 20 at the start and at T+6-8 another 20mg Oxycodone on top.

Good thing you found your vial, it is a precious molecule, that one should not loose. Mine is in the fridge in a container with some silica gel packs and my other RCs.

And to all, a happy new year.

 

[Pfafffed]

Happy new year to you, too! I think you've nailed a pretty ideal approach to aMT, especially managing the jaw tension. I wish I liked it! My body has a complicated relationship with serotonin, I guess.

 

[Chemicalfascination]

Yeah αMT is good fun once in a while, especially shared with some good friends, makes for a nice social evening, lots of good discussions and good vibes all around. Sadly as we all get older, less and less of my friends still want to use empathogens or psychedelics, we are all in the mid to late 40s by now...
Back in the late 1990's and early 2000's we all did a lot of MDMA, went partying every two weeks at least, from Friday till Sunday afternoon and when none was available from our trusted plug, we simply drove 90 minutes to the Netherlands to buy some αMT and some quality weed. αMT is the better MDMA anyway, at least in my eyes, it has that very long effect, is less pushy overall since it is a more balanced monoamine releaser than MDMA(more NE) is and has that unmistakable tryptamine flavor, a bit like shrooms but not really.
Technically it isn't even explicitly listed as illegal where I live, but 5-IT is and since αMT(3-IT) is an isomer, it is as well, but it is still available as it remains legal in the NL, even after the big phenethylamine ban last year.
I'm really sorry to hear that serotoninergic drugs do not work well for you. Is it the comedown and perhaps even depression that makes you not like those substances?