Kratom Kratom Megathread V.2

[FatBellyWhipSlay]

Hey all so ive only ever taken Kratom like twice before.

Once to help some of the WD symptoms coming of 0.8mg bupe and i took it for 2 weeks and was successful with literally zero WD's once i an out of K

Just now taking it for 2 weeks (both occasions red vein, same strain. supplier) then stopping to help me get off lope but past 3 days had some pretty nastyish WD's, not as bad as full opiate WD but still sucks and blows, hot and cold, insonmia, rls, depression

whats going on here ? am I still feeling the lope WD's maybe ? i only took about 40mg of lope a day and got down to 12mg then i dropped and for 4 or 5 days i felt good, then the K ran out and its sucked

 

[PtahTek]

Could probably ease wd by drinking lots of water and staying busy if possible.
Couple days you should be good ime.
Oh... it's been a few days since this was created... how are you?
Sorry missed this and I see there were no replies so just wanted to connect I guess.

 

[SimplyTrinity]

Hey all.

I’ve seen some general posts about kratom and Xanax mixes, all generally discouraging it.

I typically try to avoid on same day. But today I took a kratom dose and then was fighting off a panic attack so needed Xanax. I’m in very low dose amounts for both, but wanted to be explicit and get input so I don’t worry myself and bring on another panic attack worrying about it.

My dose of kratom was 0.5 tsp (~1.2g) of green Maenga Da. My typical dose is around 1.0-1.5 tsp (~2.4-3.6g) around twice per week total.

My Xanax dose was also lower than normal. I took 0.35mg (it was a cut pill but probably more than half of the 0.5mg). My normal dose is 0.5m mg maybe 1-2x per week on high anxiety days.

So first question - can I relax with the mix at these levels?

Second question - should I definitely avoid taking any more of each today?

 

[negrogesic]

What is your concern?

Those doses are very low, and even at very high doses of both, there is little risk. The only risk might be high doses of extracts plus high doses of benzos.

 

[SimplyTrinity]

Ok wasn’t sure how strong the interaction is. Was worried about things like breathing suppression. So it sounds like little interaction unless using very potent doses of either/both.

Sounds like even in my normal dosage range of 3-4g kratom and 0.5mg benzo, it’s pretty safe?

Thank you. Just like to be super sure before ever mixing even at low dosage.

 

[jerseyshark]

How many grams per day for a new user coming off two weeks of 6/50mg tramadol habit to have no wd?

 

[unodelacosa]

How many grams per day for a new user coming off two weeks of 6/50mg tramadol habit to have no wd?

Can't give medical advice and you should talk to a doctor, but based on anecdotal reports, general practices, and an educated and intuitive guess, if it were me, and I was sweating it, I would start w/ 2 or 3 grams maybe two or three times a day, and gradually cut it down by 0.4 grams per day so that I taper over the course of a week, roughly. Maybe something like this:

Day 1 ☞ 3.0 g x 2
Day 2 ☞ 2.6 g x 2
Day 3 ☞ 2.2 g x 2
Day 4 ☞ 1.8 g x 2
Day 5 ☞ 1.4 g x 2
Day 6 ☞ 1.0 g x 2
Day 7 ☞ 1.0 g x 1
Day 8 ☞ 1.0g x 1

Regardless, you should run this by your doctor.

 

[jerseyshark]

Can't give medical advice and you should talk to a doctor, but based on anecdotal reports, general practices, and an educated and intuitive guess, if it were me, and I was sweating it, I would start w/ 2 or 3 grams maybe two or three times a day, and gradually cut it down by 0.4 grams per day so that I taper over the course of a week, roughly. Maybe something like this:

Day 1 ☞ 3.0 g x 2
Day 2 ☞ 2.6 g x 2
Day 3 ☞ 2.2 g x 2
Day 4 ☞ 1.8 g x 2
Day 5 ☞ 1.4 g x 2
Day 6 ☞ 1.0 g x 2
Day 7 ☞ 1.0 g x 1
Day 8 ☞ 1.0g x 1

Regardless, you should run this by your doctor.

Ok. Here's how it I buy it. One bottle has 60 caps. Bottle is 36 grams. I was taking the trams to mitigate my 50mg-60mg oxy run out. Sooo, each cap is 1.66 grams. How many caps would you take per day. I'm not due until 6.26 to receive any meds. (My meds were cut, and the 15s I usually take were unavailable, so I got screwed twice and settle for 10s. Big mess...ugg

 

[unodelacosa]

Ok. Here's how it I buy it. One bottle has 60 caps. Bottle is 36 grams. I was taking the trams to mitigate my 50mg-60mg oxy run out. Sooo, each cap is 1.66 grams. How many caps would you take per day. I'm not due until 6.26 to receive any meds. (My meds were cut, and the 15s I usually take were unavailable, so I got screwed twice and settle for 10s. Big mess...ugg

It sounds like it might be worth procuring a milligram scale – one of the cheap ones from, shall we say, Cramazon would work just fine. Or borrow one. Weigh out your planned doses in a once-a-day weekly pill container, and ween yourself down so as to avoid withdrawal symptoms. It's fairly simple and future you will thank you for not procrastinating and putting off kicking that habit which will only make it worse and spiral out of control. I think you know this though.

Biggest thing is: don't fret, don't panic, and—if you can—stop seeing it as a "big mess". Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. Exert some discipline and self-control and don't give in to compulsions. You've got this, and if you put in the hard work now you'll spare yourself a bunch of bullshit later.

As to your question, you did your division backward. In other words you have 36 grams total divided among 60 capsules, not the other way around. So it's 36/60, not 60/36. Therefore each capsule actually contains 0.6 grams, not 1.67… Considering this, maybe a better approach is:

Day 1 ☞ 10 caps
Day 2 ☞ 9 caps
Day 3 ☞ 8 caps
Day 4 ☞ 7 caps
Day 5 ☞ 6 caps
Day 6 ☞ 5 caps
Day 7 ☞ 4 caps
Day 8 ☞ 3 caps
Day 9 ☞ 3 caps
Day 10 ☞ 2 caps
Day 11 ☞ 2 caps
Day 12 ☞ 1 cap

That's a total of 60 caps spread over 12 days. If you start today by the time you're done you'll have lowered your tolerance and stepped off the dependency cycle. It will be June 26th by then, and it will be up to you how to ration out your next batch of meds if that's what you feel you want to do. Hope that helps.

 

[jerseyshark]

It sounds like it might be worth procuring a milligram scale – one of the cheap ones from, shall we say, Cramazon would work just fine. Or borrow one. Weigh out your planned doses in a once-a-day weekly pill container, and ween yourself down so as to avoid withdrawal symptoms. It's fairly simple and future you will thank you for not procrastinating and putting off kicking that habit which will only make it worse and spiral out of control. I think you know this though.

Biggest thing is: don't fret, don't panic, and—if you can—stop seeing it as a "big mess". Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. Exert some discipline and self-control and don't give in to compulsions. You've got this, and if you put in the hard work now you'll spare yourself a bunch of bullshit later.

As to your question, you did your division backward. In other words you have 36 grams total divided among 60 capsules, not the other way around. So it's 36/60, not 60/36. Therefore each capsule actually contains 0.6 grams, not 1.67… Considering this, maybe a better approach is:

Day 1 ☞ 10 caps
Day 2 ☞ 9 caps
Day 3 ☞ 8 caps
Day 4 ☞ 7 caps
Day 5 ☞ 6 caps
Day 6 ☞ 5 caps
Day 7 ☞ 4 caps
Day 8 ☞ 3 caps
Day 9 ☞ 3 caps
Day 10 ☞ 2 caps
Day 11 ☞ 2 caps
Day 12 ☞ 1 cap

That's a total of 60 caps spread over 12 days. If you start today by the time you're done you'll have lowered your tolerance and stepped off the dependency cycle. It will be June 26th by then, and it will be up to you how to ration out your next batch of meds if that's what you feel you want to do. Hope that helps.

Duh. Thank you. That really was very helpful. I know you spent time sending this, so Thank you ! Jerseyshark

 

[jerseyshark]

It sounds like it might be worth procuring a milligram scale – one of the cheap ones from, shall we say, Cramazon would work just fine. Or borrow one. Weigh out your planned doses in a once-a-day weekly pill container, and ween yourself down so as to avoid withdrawal symptoms. It's fairly simple and future you will thank you for not procrastinating and putting off kicking that habit which will only make it worse and spiral out of control. I think you know this though.

Biggest thing is: don't fret, don't panic, and—if you can—stop seeing it as a "big mess". Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill. Exert some discipline and self-control and don't give in to compulsions. You've got this, and if you put in the hard work now you'll spare yourself a bunch of bullshit later.

As to your question, you did your division backward. In other words you have 36 grams total divided among 60 capsules, not the other way around. So it's 36/60, not 60/36. Therefore each capsule actually contains 0.6 grams, not 1.67… Considering this, maybe a better approach is:

Day 1 ☞ 10 caps
Day 2 ☞ 9 caps
Day 3 ☞ 8 caps
Day 4 ☞ 7 caps
Day 5 ☞ 6 caps
Day 6 ☞ 5 caps
Day 7 ☞ 4 caps
Day 8 ☞ 3 caps
Day 9 ☞ 3 caps
Day 10 ☞ 2 caps
Day 11 ☞ 2 caps
Day 12 ☞ 1 cap

That's a total of 60 caps spread over 12 days. If you start today by the time you're done you'll have lowered your tolerance and stepped off the dependency cycle. It will be June 26th by then, and it will be up to you how to ration out your next batch of meds if that's what you feel you want to do. Hope that helps.

Duh. Thank you. That really was very helpful. I know you spent time sending this, so Thank you ! Jerseyshar

 

[jerseyshark]

Quick one: does pain mgt with 12 panel urine test for this kratom?

 

[unodelacosa]

Quick one: does pain mgt with 12 panel urine test for this kratom?

Depends on the 12-panel urine test being administered. Companies like LabCorp can even make bespoke drug panels on a client-request basis. So it kinda comes down to who's administering the test.

Having said that, Kratom is legal right now (but this is a pattern we've seen before, and though I wish we'd skip this dodgy, poorly thought-out legislation, it expect it would get passed with the typical haste and lack of forethought in the wake of the death of someone semi-famous legislatures are all too guilty of doing thoughout the 20th century up to present day. We'll see though), and because it's legal, I don't think they're too common, but Idk what the details of your situation are. Maybe search DuckDuckGo, Reddit, Yelp!, Google Maps, etc. for reviews or comments on the program online you might be able to find. Ask around maybe in Facebook Groups, or any social media site popular locally. Might help give you an idea of what to expect, or you might get lucky and be able to talk to someone who's done whatever program you're in or whatever you have to do… Is this some beef w/the Dirty Jerz?

 

[Kingoffrogs]

Thread Revived.

What are your guy's experience with kratom potentiators? I have used cimetidine before, also grapefruit juice. My usual routine for kratom consumption for it's analgesic properties was 400mg cimetidine, then 4 grams red maeng da 30 minutes after. Within an hour my back/shoulder pain evaporated and I would finally be able to sleep ( I was working 50-60 hour weeks at the time).

Whenever I used grapefruit juice, I would mix kratom in with it and chug it. Then I would wash down the rest of the powder that didn't "half-assedly" dissolve into the juice with MORE juice.

Whenever using kratom for it's stimulant properties (which was 66% of my use when I was using it.) I would take 2 grams of Green Borneo with an energy drink. I have ADHD, so after the first hour my inattentiveness was shattered, and I wouldn't hear the vain cries of "just pay attention!" over and over while making pizzas.

Usually my regiment would consist of using stimulant doses of kratom on Monday and Wednesday, then using an analgesic dose on Friday (when my back and shoulder pain was at it's worse), then after the weekend I'd be ready to work again.

 

[Kingoffrogs]

Same. Made me quite regular.

Only in high doses with no opioid tolerance do I notice it being more difficult to pee or poo, but even then it's nowhere near as bad as other opioids.

For me it has contributed to bowel movements, but I would usually only take 8-10 grams a week, depending on how I was feeling. I would also mix it with caffeine a bit and drink a LOT of water, so I'm sure that these factors also contributed to my bowel movements.

 

[ions]

I just started getting into kratom tea with hot water and a little lemon juice.
I find stirring it a couple times over the soak will make it much stronger.
I had half my 4g cup of tea this morning and was high as a kite. Starting to come off it.
Saving the other half for another day.

 

[willyD]

Hey guys, obviously I'm new here but I've browsed the forums for years and finally decided to start posting these sort of questions here instead of reddit lol. Also I'm not entirely sure if this is the best place to post this so if not please lmk and I'll move it.

So I'm currently mandated by the court to stay in a rehab program for something really trivial and since I got here about 6 months ago I have gotten myself into a bit of a pickle. I began using kratom at about my 2nd month here because I had very severe depression due to being ADHD and unmedicated. I have had to rely on the K to get me through because they expect me to function normally and don't really care about mental health problems.

I am now finally on Adderall but I can't quit the K due to withdrawals and I really can't go through the worst of the withdrawal without them realizing that I'm addicted to something or I could possibly be sent back to jail. I didn't realize the withdrawal from this could be that bad and before I knew it I realized I had gone too far. I'm currently using around 25gpd of K.

I have tried tapering off with just kratom and I just don't think I can do it while I'm stuck in this place due to all the stress and expectations. So I began browsing around and came across a post from somebody claiming to have went to a detox center for K and they were apparently given tramadol for just 5 days while slowly decreasing the amount each day. They said that this worked like a charm so even though most people say it's a terrible idea I believe that as long as the trams are used for a short term it could work and besides that I really don't have any other options so I have to try it. If it doesn't work things won't be much worse than if I have a breakdown from the K withdrawal and it just so happens I was able to get the same amount of kratom the poster had used for those 5 days from a family member.

That being said the ONE other option I have is to take subutex for a short term also. Currently I have one 8mg sub that I got from someone else in the rehab by trading some of my Adderall. I may POSSIBLY be able to get a few more but I hear that 2-4mg of sub should be plenty for withdrawal from any amount of K, so I should be able to get atleast 2-4 days out of it and maybe the worst of the kratom withdrawal would be over by then?

What would you guys do with the items at my disposal in this situation? If either of these works I would really like to the other one to get a nice buzz in celebration but I'm not sure which would be best for this...would it be better to use the tramadol to get off the kratom and then take the subs sometime after that for recreational effect or would it be best to use the subs to get off the K then take the trams instead?

I know that subs are much stronger than tramadol but I also hear that subs have no real recreational value and I happen to love the buzz I used to get from trams before I started using harder opiates.

Any advice here is much appreciated you guys! Thanks in advance for any help in sorting this out!

 

[Nas47]

no point man that is ma opinion...to substitude kratom with bupe/////stupid....look tramadol could be of some use....wean off to as little kratom as u can and switch to 100-150 mg tram....never tried this,but could help may be.....i just cold turkeying kratom,but if i had by myside trams in that moment may be i would used it

 

[willyD]

no point man that is ma opinion...to substitude kratom with bupe/////stupid....look tramadol could be of some use....wean off to as little kratom as u can and switch to 100-150 mg tram....never tried this,but could help may be.....i just cold turkeying kratom,but if i had by myside trams in that moment may be i would used it

Thanks I may try to taper the kratom some and then try the tramadol but I haven't been able to make any progress with this so far. I used to have little trouble tapering kratom but now that I'm in rehab and am unable to lay off of responsibility or to slack off in any way it seems just about impossible.

I may just go ahead and give the trams a shot without tapering. The protocol I read about has you starting by taking 100mg of tramadol 3x daily for like 2 days I think, then you take 50mg 3x daily for a day or so. Then I believe you are supposed to take 50mg 2x daily for the 4th and/or 5th final days.

I have a screenshot of the actual explanation if anyone wants the specific instructions, however the person who posted it didn't mention anything about tapering (or how much they used for that matter) but it had to be a significant amount to wind them up in detox.
I seriously pray to God it works without me having to taper 1st because as I said I've been trying to taper for months now with basically no success and I really can't drag it out forever because it's a bit of a hassle sneaking the stuff into this place.
Wish me luck and I'll report back on how successful it works or doesn't.

 

[Nas47]

me too could not tappering kratom...no sucess...the stuff is very short acting and i am a big guy....according my kilos need much....quit cold turkey from 25g a day six months habbit.....withdrawl does not look like at all like opi withdrawl for me...it was bad,but one of the easiest of my endless list...comparable to quit codeine or tramadol....using so strong stuff like bupre to quit kratom is huge mistake for me....u sink in far deeper hole...playing with such long acting drugs scared me indeed.....recently quit bupre and mental problems after quitting are the real beast,not withdrawl itself,witch is long and bad enough...yes ur tapper plan about using tram to wean off kratom seems to me good..Kratom-legal stuff....could be lifesavior for somebody,but quickly could become a real burden...u will succeed man...don't be afraid....it's relatively weak stuff...not so hard to quit...Good luck....U will be ok!!!