Will i see a decent government before i die?

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Seeing as everyone has avoided this subject since the Tory scum got thrown to the wall, I'm wondering what the next 5, 10, 15 years of government is going to look like now we have the SLOP (Slightly Less Offensive Party) in charge. Will things change? Will I stop being ashamed to be British? Will I fuckin die before the fruits of our Labour are reaped?



Does anyone really care?

 

[Ismene2]

No real change because the economic model they both follow has been the same since 1976 - free market economics - which funnels money from the poor to the rich. Water companies are a good example - rip off 72 billion in dividends and ramp up debt so its too expensive to nationalise again

 

[kiely]

 

[kiely]

I'm sorry. I really am. I don't know what to tell you.

Long live the queen. Is she still alive !

I don't know what to tell us. Sry.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

Seeing as everyone has avoided this subject since the Tory scum got thrown to the wall, I'm wondering what the next 5, 10, 15 years of government is going to look like now we have the SLOP (Slightly Less Offensive Party) in charge. Will things change? Will I stop being ashamed to be British? Will I fuckin die before the fruits of our Labour are reaped?



Does anyone really care?

Oh good god no. You guys' are like the original colonizer's?

I mean we care; they call us Irish (at best) but it is a long lost battle. You will stop being ashamed of being British roughly the same time I become proud to be American...

*edit* YOU should not be ashamed nor punished because of where you are born or your government's decisions: Tell that to Palestinian citizens and you gunna get some clapback... heck even the UK saw some action on the homefront in WW2, correct? YOU are fine.

 

[Bleaney]

Public services like the NHS probably will improve (they couldnt get much worse) but we'll probably have to pay more taxes.

I think there will be scenarios like this across the board.

So it will be probably be a mixed picture.

 

[kiely]

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Public services like the NHS probably will improve (they couldnt get much worse) but we'll probably have to pay more taxes.

I think there will be scenarios like this across the board.

So it will be probably be a mixed picture.

I honestly wouldn't mind paying more taxes - as long as they're spent on public services rather than feathering their own nests.

 

[LoginNotSecure]

Diversity from flooding with immigrants is not our strength. It lowers your wages, marginalises our culture, increases the crime, fills our hospitals, occupies our housing, ruins your schools, consumes our taxes, tightens our laws, restricts our freedoms, endangers your children, and calls you racist for questioning.

 

[Jnowhere]

No

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

No

Succinctly put.

 

[benson7]

In the short term Labour will certainly be more competent, but that will certainly change the longer they are in power. I expect tax bands will remain frozen, public services will remain underfunded and culture wars of some variety will be used as a distraction for the masses.

It's an impossible job for them really, we are overtaxed, the State needs more money and the economy has flat lined.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

Depends on what your standards are.

If we could just get our nutcase government out some day, I'd be happy. Half the population thinks it has truly failed and particularly basic finns has lost lot of their voter base and so after government election, left got kind of a victory in MEP elections just recently too probably for that reason. So I am hoping pendulum to swing left in next elections, while I know lot of things could and will happen next 3 years. Tho politicans rarely are radical or reliable enough, I'd be happy to see that.

Now I know things could be always much, much worse. And I am not sure if I have really that good reasons to expect them to not get yet more worse.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Diversity from flooding with immigrants is not our strength. It lowers your wages, marginalises our culture, increases the crime, fills our hospitals, occupies our housing, ruins your schools, consumes our taxes, tightens our laws, restricts our freedoms, endangers your children, and calls you racist for questioning.

Yes, immigration is indeed a problem. But that's because of their third word politics/religions that makes us a preferable place to live.

Just fuckin ban religion, that will sort everything in one fell swoop.

Fuck your god, I don't care...

 

[kiely]

it's a pyramid scheme

 

[Jnowhere]

In the short term Labour will certainly be more competent, but that will certainly change the longer they are in power. I expect tax bands will remain frozen, public services will remain underfunded and culture wars of some variety will be used as a distraction for the masses.

It's an impossible job for them really, we are overtaxed, the State needs more money and the economy has flat lined.

Do you honestly think it matters which party is in control. The Labour party isn't going to reduce taxes or attract businesses. Competent?
It was that awful conservative Tony Blair who followed America into those great and glorious wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh that's right, he was Labour. Does it really matter which party is in control?

It will only get worse, except for the very rich, and they can just leave.

From the stand point of economics, high taxes, high labour costs, high cost of living and a growing population on an island smaller than a number of states in America, The UK is in trouble. So is America but differently, also Canada but differently also.

I don't remember the British pound ever being this low compared to the US dollar.

I really don't think it matters which party is in control. I wonder are the UK politicians corrupt?

Maybe King Charles and King Camilla can help fix the problems.

 

[Jnowhere]

Depends on what your standards are.

If we could just get our nutcase government out some day, I'd be happy. Half the population thinks it has truly failed and particularly basic finns has lost lot of their voter base and so after government election, left got kind of a victory in MEP elections just recently too probably for that reason. So I am hoping pendulum to swing left in next elections, while I know lot of things could and will happen next 3 years. Tho politicans rarely are radical or reliable enough, I'd be happy to see that.

Now I know things could be always much, much worse. And I am not sure if I have really that good reasons to expect them to not get yet more worse.

Both sides of the political isle are in trouble all over. There seems no way out. The developed world has not managed money properly.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Do you honestly think it matters which party is in control. The Labour party isn't going to reduce taxes or attract businesses. Competent?
It was that awful conservative Tony Blair who followed America into those great and glorious wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh that's right, he was Labour. Does it really matter which party is in control?

It will only get worse, except for the very rich, and they can just leave.

From the stand point of economics, high taxes, high labour costs, high cost of living and a growing population on an island smaller than a number of states in America, The UK is in trouble. So is America but differently, also Canada but differently also.

I don't remember the British pound ever being this low compared to the US dollar.

I really don't think it matters which party is in control. I wonder are the UK politicians corrupt?

Maybe King Charles and King Camilla can help fix the problems.

I don't think you realise just how fuckin awful the last 14 years of 'Conservative' rule has been for us in the UK. In all of my years, I've never known a government to so blatantly take the piss out of its constituents like this lot have done.

More than ever, it really DOES matter which party is in control. No, Labour are not going to reduce taxes. How can they with the amount of national debt we are drowning in and the economic sanctions we have brought upon ourselves by the whole Brexit debacle?

Not all UK politicians are corrupt, at least not as corrupt as the Tory scum that have lied and cheated for over a decade now.

And fuck Charles and Camilla, they're irrelevant.

Edit: if you want a crash course in the recent state of UK politics, just watch this.



You think Trump is bad? Just imagine a whole government of Trump clones...

 

[Bleaney]

Yeah the monarch's role in political handovers is purely ceremonial and they are meant to keep their mouths shut on all matters political. The Queen mostly did so.

Charles has been more outspoken in his views on various topics while he was prince, especially the environment, conservation, and arhcitecture.

I read somewhere the other day that he's got into trouble already as king, for speaking out in private against food poverty. while the tories were in rule, and donating more than £1,000,000 to food banks so they could buy freezers. The fact that he did this in private, but was still admonished by the tories, must mean that one of his aides or servants leaked this information.

£1,000,000 is nothing much for a man of his wealth but it's a significant donation for any charity to receive. And it shows where his sympathies lie.

He'll have to tread carefully now, although I read that he might well form a close relationship with Starmer.

But despite all this his role is meant to be purely ceremonial and he's not supposed to be getting involved in, or speaking out in public on political matters.

I guess it's because he's where he is purely by birth and wealth and so his influence is not democratic. But they've mostly seemed like a decent bunch to me during my life time.

 

[Jnowhere]

I don't think you realise just how fuckin awful the last 14 years of 'Conservative' rule has been for us in the UK. In all of my years, I've never known a government to so blatantly take the piss out of its constituents like this lot have done.

More than ever, it really DOES matter which party is in control. No, Labour are not going to reduce taxes. How can they with the amount of national debt we are drowning in and the economic sanctions we have brought upon ourselves by the whole Brexit debacle?

Not all UK politicians are corrupt, at least not as corrupt as the Tory scum that have lied and cheated for over a decade now.

And fuck Charles and Camilla, they're irrelevant.

I hope you understood that the King Charles and King Camilla was a joke.

I thought the Brexit thing was a vote. Fuck democracy?

I am concerned as to whether or not to invest in British pounds, due to it being worth $1.28 US to 1£
I ain't talking thousands of dollars, let's just say more, and leave it at that. Mainly because as far back as I can remember the £=$1.50-$1.60+ for decades.
And all the things in Scotland and the exchange rate not seemingly like it will change has scared me off of serious currency investing

Given the exchange rate and America having 5 times the population; our National debt is BTW 2 1/4 and 2 1/2 times the national debt of the UK. We have been fucked over by Obama and that retard who doesn't even know he is America's president.

To be fair because I am a patriotic moderate libertarian. I hate big government and this shit got bad starting with Bill Clinton, then the Democrats lost both houses of Congress and we may have had a budget surplus.

I may lean Republican, if I vote but Bush Jr. or whatever screwed us, then Obama really drove the debt sky high.

Now this country is in real trouble, almost 35 trillion in US debt or £27.4 something trillion with 5 times the population so do the math.

I just don't trust The Labour's Party, because of Tony Blair getting involved in those 2 stupid half assed wars that; how do fuck up the Middle East worse?
Bush and Blair( to a much lessor extent) did.

If the Labour's party fucks up, The UK could be in real trouble. Here in America, as an American citizen I could move anywhere and be stuck with US taxes. Brits after a year I believe, if they aren't in the UK don't have UK taxes.
I don't know if that has changed.

My concern would be the collapse of the UK economy. The government taxes are very high and not many major companies other than things related to tourism or food are likely to bring decent jobs. Also the natural resources issues.
Yeah there is a little oil north of Scotland.

I can see the frustration but, America got careless with spending as opposed to the UK which has a big brother type government (CCTV cameras and high taxes and government control over so much and people getting too secure in their jobs and less competitive).

Hey, it is your country, but this could fuck the US up a little if the UK's economy collapses.



However these democratic socialist type governments, are something I hate.

America has had it's problems, but we still have land and natural resources.
Like I said earlier, was there a vote by the people for Brexit? If so you can't just say fuck democracy. Or was it a parliamentary vote, I use to like watching John Majors on C-span during Prime Minister's questions. I have actually understand UK politics, a little.
College course or courses.

Is there a chance at another vote to rejoin The EU?

Until about 25 years ago America was solid, and plenty of good jobs.

Food went up 50% roughly soon after sleepy Joe was inaugurated as President.

Our debt is going to kill us. And the left will not stop overspending by trillions every fucking year. I am scared that the Labour party will run up an American level, per capita debt, housing shortages and what happens when Brits become a minority in their own country, that is decades a way, sharia law. Beheading for sex before marriage, usually just the woman. Here comes the race wars.

I live in the Detroit area, which along with Dearborn has the highest Arab concentration in North America.

However, around Detroit they are of some form of Christian or Catholics
And in Dearborn, they are Muslim, but not militant.

The Chaldians(Iraqy Arabs fled Iraq because of Saddam). The Muslims in Dearborn, probably wanted to get the fuck away from their nutcase zealot governments.