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Novel Opioids

interesting observation. dont know any opioid expert you could consult.
The team led by B. Pelmont at H. La Roche that formed in 1949 to investigate the 14(R)-morphinans (incl. norlevorphanol derivs such as Ro4-1539 or furethylnormorphinan) were tasked with the tetracyclic "Grewe morphinans." Grewe's newfangled Bronsted-catalyzed morphinan cyclization was 'fresh-off-the-press.' the german pharma firms of this era, still partially under Allied control, who were doing a thorough job of gutting them of 'intellectual property war loot,' allowed for a brief window of time where Swiss firms were best equipped to investigate these new fully synthetic morphinans. The 4,5-epoxy bridged pentacycles had been thoroughly investigated by the earlier American NRC (later the COPDD) investigation from 1929-1941 (the key figures involved in this NRC effort were Lyndon F Small, Nathan B. Eddy, & Everette L. May). The NRC research elucidated the epoxymorphinan class w/ the hopes of finding analgesics with reduced physical dependence capacity (PDC). after investigating hundreds of compounds, they found only two candidates: metopon and desomorphine. According to NB Eddy (writing in his posthumously published memoirs "The National Research Council involvement in the opiate problem, 1928-1971") the two derivs were the only novel pentacyclic morphinans which demonstrated a statistically relevant separation of analgesia from dependence liability.

Janssen & Leysen confirmed in a pair of separate review articles, another was a chapter (can't recall the volume it was a part of, will update later when i search thru my notes) that N-phenethyl-nordesomorphine (approx 80 x morphine as analgesic) substituted equally well as N-(2-thienylethyl)-nordesomorphine when tested in SDS assays in animal subjects (morphine w/d suppression) -- both of the N-arylethyl derivs fully substituting for morphine in the SDS (morphine-habituated rodents).

I was frustrated by this reference, as it provides an analgesic estimate for the N-phenethyl deriv, but fails to mention any such analgesic estimate for the thienylethyl. Nor does it provide the mg/kg suppression dose for the the N-thienylethyl (or provide a citation whose full-text was electronically accessible at the time (it was over ten yrs ago, so perhaps they've digitized the publication) -->

quantitative comparison of the non-phenyl 2-arylethyl subsitututed N-nor-epoxymorphinans remains elusive. But I'm positive they are out there. I would check the work performed by Schmidhammer (spellling?) et al. he specializes in 14-hydroxymorphinans and the 6-keto derivs (morphin-6-ones) but he is among the few still conducting research in N-phenethyl epoxymorphinans. See "phenomorphone" or N-phenethyl-noroxymorphone

Another very interesting area of inquiry is that of the levorphanol 14(S)-epimers, so called 'isomorphinans' (M. Gates first elucidated and provided bioactivity data on the isolevorphanol series in a JACS article in 1958)

See the link below for detailed discussion of lewis acid-catalyzed cyclization of a novel 1-benzyloctahydroisoquinoline (OHiQ; an isomer of the common morphinan precursor octabase) with a shifted double bound, which, upon exposure to AlBr3 (lewis acid) cyclized to the corresponding 14(S)-isomorphinan -- the 14(S)-epimer of 14(R)-levorphanol configured morphinans


Some very unique stereochemistry, increased activity, and some fascinating work done by Marshall Gates (the same Gates who elucidated the formal synthesis of morphine in 1952).

14(S)-isomorphinans are accessible by a 'Grewe-analogous' cyclization mechanism initiated by heating with Lewis Acids (instead of the bronsted acid/H3PO4 in the conventional Grewe procedure). See the diagram below for additional insight involving cyclization of an appropriate substituted OHiQ with AlBr3

According to a 1964 article by Fry & May, the same type of benzomorphan epimer (beta-metazocine derivs) was achieved using AlCl3 -- Gates chose AlBr3 for his isolevorphanol and isocyclorphan syntheses (the specific isomorphinans that were the topic of his mechanism postulates) b/c of a recommendation by a colleague who he gives credit to in the text of his review (will have to look that one up in the actual print lit. as well--another reference not avail electronically)


Sincerely,

--Deandra

(aka: Oxycosmopolitan and DuchessVonD)


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what about the phenethyl homolog of ketobemidone has it ever been done? like that of meperidine:
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this compound is full agonist about 10xM. apparently, that specific compound (and one with carbamoylethyl instead of phenylethyl) are specifically excluded from Canada controlled substances list as well as UNDOC list. so they're perfectly legal, at least in canada. wonder why they specifically excluded.. that old UN paper claiming "too irritating to test"?? wtf!! did they tried snorting them? kind of stupid if you ask me.
there is an obscure Janssen & Van der Eycken text, a chapter on morphinomimetics from "Drugs Affecting the CNS, Vol II" in which Janssen has a chart of in vivo analgesic activity of several ketobemidone derivs, incl. some with exotic N-aralkyl subsitutitions. As with phenoperidine and the 'reversed ester' prodine derivs, the N- propiophenone was the most active. I believe it was only 80 fold the parent (approx 80 fold morphine) but due to the difficulty (low yields) in forming the 4-ethyl ketone of the ketobemidone series, which is less than 30% in atmospheric pressure condensations with EtMgBr, the best yields (in excess of 90%+) were achieved by a russian group in the 1990s using high pressure rxn vessels. Another group looked at the formation of 4-cyano-4-(m-methoxy-phenyl)-piperidine intermediate thru the condensation of the N-methyl nitrogen mustard and m-methoxy-benzyl cyanide using a biphasic PTC-catalyzed system (using TBAB as the PTC) in a toluene/aqueous heterogeneous system. they looked into forming the ethyl ketone directly thru use of an appropriately substituted propiophenone during the nucleophilic substitution. they did achieve some direct conversion to the (m-methoxy)-ketobemidone, but it was only 20% or so...and the nitrogen mustard starting material is not cheap, especially those that are N-methylated, as are called for in the ketobemidone proper synth. This was research publ. in a pair of articles in J. Het. Chem during the early to mid 1980s by a group with a P.I. based at a Texas university.
 
Respiratory depression and ventricular arrhythmia. It's very novel but further reading suggests it's action may be significantly different.

In EVERY case I know, that protected -OCH3 on the aromatic make it a prodrug. It it were an -OH then generally potency is vastly increased. So MAYBE it's possible to make a safe analogue... but animal trials absolutely required. If I don't see a TI of 50+ then forget it.
embutramide (embutamide) was actually designed to have one of the lowest therapeutic indicies possible among the class/series. i believe it is one of the few where the hERG-inhibition TD50 dose is LOWER than the actual ED50 effective analgesic dose TD50/ED50 = therapeutic window/index (QT prolongation is the mechanism by which it causes fatal TdP arrythmia -- similar to the terfenadine/seldane scandal in the 90s and the reason LAAM/methadyl acetate was w/d, as the cardiac Ther Index was like 2.4 or 2.7, which was about 2-3 fold more cardiotoxic than metahdone-- dextropropoxyphene is another dangerous hERG-inhibitor that was w/d partially due to unacceptable cardiotoxicity ) it was designed for the veterinary euthanasia market (and still is used for this purpose). I used to work in exp. veterinary pathology as a part of a team doing ADMET work. we typically used a rodent cocktail (xylazine, ketamine, acepromazine ---> for smaller exp. animals) or similar anesthetic agent cocktails (for larger animals, such as cats, beagles, primates, or livestock) to narcotize and completely render the subjects unconscious before dispatching of them using insert gas (nitrogen asphyxiation was common). larger animals usually were given an overdose of a strong sedative, combined with an alpha-2 agonist, which in high enough doses can cause a fatal drop in blood pressure/min. cardiac output

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Sincerely

Deandra
 
Never liked a novel opioid with the exception of U47700 (or w/e the FIRST incarnation was, had quite a few g's, was on bupe and switched off to that for awhile....felt fine but never was too confident about IV or extended use). Thoughts on that particular substance?

Sorry im not a chemistry guy it was in the latest feed...

The fentalogues and nitrines(?) are almost inherently evil and closer to chemical weapons than drugs?

Hey let me play necromancer ***DRUMROLL**** You guys believe pharoahfentanyl now? Would you have believed me if I told you I was on the amount of bzos I was (triple digit 2x alprazolam strength)? Haha do you believe that I have went successfully from that down to under the amount of xanax im scripted? (2mg) .... The body is legit AF; not that I didn't use every cheatcode I could lol.
 
Never liked a novel opioid with the exception of U47700 (or w/e the FIRST incarnation was, had quite a few g's, was on bupe and switched off to that for awhile....felt fine but never was too confident about IV or extended use). Thoughts on that particular substance?

Sorry im not a chemistry guy it was in the latest feed...

The fentalogues and nitrines(?) are almost inherently evil and closer to chemical weapons than drugs?

Hey let me play necromancer ***DRUMROLL**** You guys believe pharoahfentanyl now? Would you have believed me if I told you I was on the amount of bzos I was (triple digit 2x alprazolam strength)? Haha do you believe that I have went successfully from that down to under the amount of xanax im scripted? (2mg) .... The body is legit AF; not that I didn't use every cheatcode I could lol.
Look at this and see how they use it to literally kill people it that potent.
 
oh shoot I got through the abstract and THEATRE IN MOSCOW is screaming in my head already.

shit is a chemical weapon that if you are crazy enough you can get high on. Did I tell you how a "fent supplier" responded to just a general price quote?

Went something like, Just out of curiosity what are your price quotes on fentanyl?

Answer: For a few thousand dollars you could have enough to "take out" most of minnesota.

That isn't how a drug dealer answers that is how a damn terrorist answers.
 
oh shoot I got through the abstract and THEATRE IN MOSCOW is screaming in my head already.

shit is a chemical weapon that if you are crazy enough you can get high on. Did I tell you how a "fent supplier" responded to just a general price quote?

Went something like, Just out of curiosity what are your price quotes on fentanyl?

Answer: For a few thousand dollars you could have enough to "take out" most of minnesota.

That isn't how a drug dealer answers that is how a damn terrorist answers.
This is also how a vendor with a sense of humor and a mean wit responds to people who waste his ort her time requesting quotes for bullshit reasons. The American dealer is an institution just like pharmacist and apothecaries of ye Olde days. They play an important role in society. By belittling or spreading tumors and impuning the moral character of the hard-working American fentanyl dealer you are clearly ignorant and ungrateful for the service that the blue collar fentanyl dealer of myth and Legend has played in The Establishment and settlements of American ideals like freedom and the right to wear sunscreen or fentanyl patches. This type of interference is no different than speeding to pass a school bus while it's picking up children or God forbid blocking an ambulance. Or cutting the water main whenever there's a fire and you're basically hurting a first responder and it's very cruel. I before the doctors before the Medics before the paramedics and before the police come the pain patient who gets cut off from their doctor needs drugs usually opioids sometimes it's fentanyl sometimes it's heroin but they need it so they serve an important part of the healthcare economy even though it might not be traditional or reimbursable by Medicaid
 
Hi, sorry to respond to such an old post, but this thread caught my attention as I'm also interested in novel opioids.

I have a series of pdfs called annual reports in medicinal chemistry of which some feature rather rare structures of opioids… I can share it when I’m out of the hospital.
The Annual Reports on Medicinal Chemistry are an EXCELLENT resource. If you have the .PDF files, I would certainly like to read them again. I had 1969-1989 as the original paper editions but donated them to the university I attended.

Very useful to see what does not work and why. A few were perfectly fine but arrived at the wrong time or arrived at the same time as another medicine who who had a successful marketing team behind it.

I hope it works, all the pdf I have.
It appears to be the opiates section - did you harvest 20 years of opiate sections???

It's a great help, but if possible, the whole of each would be ideal - there was a lot of work on other classes.... but here is me moaning. I am truly grateful. Do you have the R Lenz & Casy books on opioids? People have uploaded them and they are on the site somewhere. If not, open a Protonmail account & PM me you address and I will sent them to you.

But as we say ' good work fella!' and I hope you are recovering.

The Google Drive link to the opiates sections of the Annual Reports in Medicinal Chemistry that @izo posted is no longer working. Do you still have a copy @Feretile, or did anyone else happen to save the PDFs too and is willing to share it here again?

Either way, thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread. Lots of interesting info here!
 
I discovered one a couple of weeks ago on wikipedia related to viminol called Z4349.

Since the potency is several hundred times morphine, i'm expecting it might emerge as a new opioid after fentanyls and nitazines become harder to procure.
 
I’d hope that whomever makes this does proper workup rather than becoming the spiritual successor to Barry Kidston.
MPTP has other uses as well. For example it is used in the synthesis of femoxetine, NNC-63-0780 (ORL-1 receptor)

Bignan, Gilles C; Connolly, Peter J; Middleton, Steven A (2005). "Recent advances towards the discovery of ORL-1 receptor agonists and antagonists".Expert Opinion on Therapeutic Patents. 15 (4): 357–388. doi:10.1517/13543776.15.4.357.

& https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/13363403

MPTP is patented at a dosage of 30mg per tablet.

John H. Biel, US3125488 (1964 to Lakeside Laboratories, inc.).
 
I call this one Haldolgesic
4-(4-Chlorophenyl)-1-(1-phenylethyl)-4-piperidinol
[63959-34-2]

Link patent:
Toshiaki Kumazawa, et al. WO1997010213 (to Kyowa Hakko Kogyo Co Ltd, US Department of Navy).

Source matter:
Leysen, Josee, Jan P. Tollenaere, Michel H.J. Koch, and Pierre Laduron. “Differentiation of Opiate and Neuroleptic Receptor Binding in Rat Brain.” European Journal of Pharmacology 43, no. 3 (June 1977): 253–67. https://doi.org/10.1016/0014-2999(77)90025-5.
 
here's another novel design:



>400 times stronger than meperidine

[1] Janssen Paul Adriaan Jan, US3155670 (1964 to Research Laboratorium C Janssen NV).
[2] ,FR2986M ().
 
This one is called R 6890. [3222-88-6]
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Stahl, Kenneth D., Willem Van Bever, Paul Janssen, and Eric J. Simon. “Receptor Affinity and Pharmacological Potency of a Series of Narcotic Analgesic, Anti-Diarrheal and Neuroleptic Drugs.” European Journal of Pharmacology 46, no. 3 (December 1977): 199–205. https://doi.org/10.1016/0014-2999(77)90334-X.
 
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This one is 20-25x morphine and has a long duration of action according to the patent.


, GB963820 (1964 to Miles Laboratories, Bayer Corp).
 
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