☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: aLL aBoArD tHe MoThErShiP 👽🛸

[unodelacosa]

I know I wasn't asked but definitely T2. I will likely never take T7 again in my life.

Really? That serious? Too much body load in T7 for you? Mania? I thought I had had T7 and I loved it, but later I found out that it might in fact have been T2, and I have no way of knowing. Both compounds tend to give me pause on account of the fact that they might inhibit MAO, and I don't take that action lightly. No serotonin syndrome for me, thanks! I'll pass on that… Also, I appreciate the good manners, but I value your opinion (even when I disagree) and you're welcome to answer/comment on anything I write But seriously, I do appreciate the courtesy. Much respect.

This. Definitely this.

You too, huh? WTF is so crazy about T7 that is not present in T2. I mean, damn, the difference is just a single methyl group. But then, I guess we could say the same difference exists between ethyl alcohol and methyl alcohol. The former gets you drunk but the latter will blind you at ~5 ml and drop you dead at ~15 ml. Only difference chemically is a CH₃ molecule, just like T2 and T7.

Does anyone else feel like we're discussing the Terminator movie franchise here? 2C-T-2: Judgment Day

 

[Didgital]

Mania?

body load wasn't as bad as T2. however there was a delerious episode where i was in iran throwing rocks and cops and then i came to and my bedroom was pretty trashed. ive got a brief writeup somewhere around here

 

[iom]

Well there you go. That's how.

Which do you prefer? → 2C-T-2, or 2C-T-7?

I haven't tried 2C-T-7, so I can't compare them. I did have some 2C-T-4 a few times, but I never got to a full (+++) despite multiple attempts either because I'm a hard head for it or (more likely) because my material degraded while sitting in the H2O solution.

At this point, I don't think I'd try 2C-T-7 even if I had the opportunity to. I don't like how many adverse reports came about during the short time that it was widely available, and I am a lightweight with many other psychedelics (tryptamines especially). I'm also not young anymore and may have health-related risk factors. If 2C-T-4 came around to me again, I'd probably be willing to try it because I seemed to get along fine with it in my past experiences, but I'd definitely start low again. And of course, I'm already playing with 2C-T-2 again now, although approaching it with a lot of caution. Something about 2C-T-2 just feels wickedly powerful, and at times, intensely euphoric in a way that makes me wonder if my mortal body is even designed to handle this kind of thing. I always felt moderate doses to be more than adequate and feared if I pushed too high I might literally fry my brain or something. Maybe I'm just paranoid because of the infamy of its cousin 2C-T-7.

I definitely think 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-4 have some similarities. They both have that thio-clear [tm] headspace and tactile enhancement. Another property these two share, for me at least, is profound post-trip cannabis potentiation (see below). In so far as differences, the duration are totally different of course, but also I think 2C-T-2 feels quite pushy and rushy whereas 2C-T-4 felt much more mellow, subtle, and almost dreamy. I don't recall any significant nausea or body load from 2C-T-4, but that may have been limited by my low doses.

Any time I take a psychedelic, my cannabis experiences in the following days tend to be extra trippy---more like the effects of the psychedelic I took most recently---, but with 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-4, the cannabis potentiation is rather extreme such that it catches me off guard. One time, about 24 hours after taking 2C-T-4, I sat in a circle and puffed on a joint from a stranger. I started feeling a very strong rush along with an intense feeling of dissociation together with significant visuals. I became very paranoid that the weed was laced. However, I noticed that everyone else seemed to be "normally stoned", and after the initial rush, it settled into a feeling much like the 2C-T-4. I've had similar experiences some days after taking 2C-T-2 including in the nights after my 2.5 mg taster dose earlier this month. One of those nights after smoking only a little more than usual, I actually got nauseous for a bit and had to breathe through some strong body energy.

 

[Pfafffed]

Iirc, it was eventually fairly conclusively determined in the published lit that T2 did not have significant MAOi activity in the usual dosage range. I wouldn't go pushing my luck with combos, but that's just because I'm on the more conservative side of the spectrum of people eating weird chemicals bought from strangers.

T2 definitely had more body load for me, but the effects were quite different. T7 had a lot of the qualities of a serotonin releaser, and my brain doesn't like serotonin releasers (MDMA, 5-MAPB, 6-APDB) and their associates (aMT.) They just make me feel simulataneously dumb and sad.

T7 was certainly pleasant enough for me, but it was a superficial, cotton candy confection of a trip. Fun but not deep or satisfying. That's okay, but it took forever to kick in (making dose titration a pain.) I also needed a pretty high dose to get much of anywhere. Erratic dosage combined with challenges with safe titration and risk of overdose for me are not good tradeoffs for a fine but not stunning purely recreational experience. I'd take it again before I'd take an NBOME, I guess? But if I want visuals, there's 4-AcO-MET and if I want recreational empathogenesis there's 5-MeO-MiPT or MAL.

2C-T-2 by comparison was lovely, rich stuff. I'd probably take it regularly if it were readily available.

 

[unodelacosa]

2C-T-4

Right so that's the 4-isopropylthio analog if memory serves. Yeah that's pretty rare. Nice one. Rarest Shulgin compound I've had (knowingly) would be DMMDA-2 from Indian Dill Seed Oil I manufactured myself back in 2001. Aside from my brother and the woman I was dating at the time, I've still never met anyone else who's had that compound, and I've never peeped it in the RC scene or on the dark net. Its synthesis is fairly straightforward. It works like MDx production, just substituting Dill Apiole for Safrole. Made the lab smell vaguely of deli pickles whenever I heated the oil reactions. Wonderful stuff, but then I like pickles/dill, and imagine it would be horrid otherwise. In a similar fashion, outside of Shulgin's manuals, I've never seen 2C-T-4. Interesting.

 

[Pfafffed]

I've seen it sold twice, and am kicking myself for not getting some. One of those times, 2C-T was also available, which I also missed out on.

 

[Psychestim]

I've never seen 2C-T-4. Interesting.

2C-T-4 is phenomenal, probably the strangest 2C compound that I've had. 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 are both great too, but my 15mg experience with T-4 is probably the trip that I think about the most. The duration is a bit extreme especially in combination with how confusing it can be but it's so worth it. A must try for any 2C connoisseur

I've seen it sold twice, and am kicking myself for not getting some. One of those times, 2C-T was also available, which I also missed out on.

Tried it at 40mg and 80mg so far but not too impressed, hopefully it'll become a bit more interesting at 100mg+.

 

[unodelacosa]

I've seen it sold twice, and am kicking myself for not getting some. One of those times, 2C-T was also available, which I also missed out on.

Dammit, yeah that would've been a sweet score and a couple good ones to add to the list… but as I was mentioning: have you ever seen DMMDA-2 available anywhere (or DMMDA for that matter)? I sure haven't. I also whipped up the n-methyl derivative, DMMDMA-2, via Hg/Al amalgam w/methylamine, but its activity was short-lived and mild comparatively so I never repeated the synth, kinda like the one batch of MDE I made bc I had nitroethane on hand and why not? But they were similar in duration and effect, MDE and n-methyl-DMMDA-2.

2C-T-4 is phenomenal, probably the strangest 2C compound that I've had. 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 are both great too, but my 15mg experience with T-4 is probably the trip that I think about the most. The duration is a bit extreme especially in combination with how confusing it can be but it's so worth it. A must try for any 2C connoisseur

Dammit man, now you've really piqued my interest. I'm gonna look for it now. What exactly makes it so special, "strange", and different from the others in the 2C series?

Tried it at 40mg and 80mg so far but not too impressed, hopefully it'll become a bit more interesting at 100mg+.

Which compound are we talking about here?

 

[Psychestim]

Dammit man, now you've really piqued my interest. I'm gonna look for it now. What exactly makes it so special, "strange", and different from the others in the 2C series?

I wrote a report on it, and I think it captures the vibe pretty decently.
Here's the link: https://www.bluelight.org/community...-4-15mg-second-time-what-a-powerhouse.915480/

In short, it is extremely euphoric similar to that warmth that 2C-T-7 offers but more mindfucky and longer-lasting. Next to 2C-E this is the 2C with the most power behind it and it has a huge potential to induce glowing experiences. It's the most slept-on 2C out there IMO, but then again it's just not as user-friendly with its 14 hour duration and intense bodyload/visuals/headspace.

Which compound are we talking about here?

2C-T(-1)

 

[iom]

Iirc, it was eventually fairly conclusively determined in the published lit that T2 did not have significant MAOi activity in the usual dosage range. I wouldn't go pushing my luck with combos, but that's just because I'm on the more conservative side of the spectrum of people eating weird chemicals bought from strangers.

Indeed, all the evidence I've seen is that neither 2C-T-2, 2C-T-4, or 2C-T-7 have any significant MAOI activity. I have no idea one way or another about the Alephs though.

T2 definitely had more body load for me, but the effects were quite different. T7 had a lot of the qualities of a serotonin releaser, and my brain doesn't like serotonin releasers (MDMA, 5-MAPB, 6-APDB) and their associates (aMT.) They just make me feel simulataneously dumb and sad.

I think almost all psychedelics are serotonin releasers, or at least serotonin release enhancers via their action at the 5-HT2B receptor. Recent research suggests that 5-HT2B action by MDMA is essential for the major serotonin release to occur. It's possible that MDMA works simultaneously via 5-HT2B and via the serotonin reuptake transporter (SRT), and this combination of activity leads to more serotonin release than action at 5-HT2B alone. I don't know. Certainly MDMA et.al. seem to be more prone to causing serotonin exhaustion as an after-effect; whereas, I've never seen this reported for any psychedelics alone.

In any case, most psychedelics have significant affinity at 5-HT2B. The affinity appears particularly strong for most 2C-X and 2C-T-X and also for psilocin. Of course affinity isn't the same as action, and the particular actions and degree of those actions at 5-HT2B may be critical. The details here are not really clear.

FWIW, I've had MDMA about a dozen times and MDA and methylone once each. Excepting maybe two or three of the MDMA experiences in which it actually seemed to work, I found these drugs to not be worthwhile. OTOH, once on each of these after some hours of a disappointing experience, I've added a psychedelic like 2C-I or mushrooms, and the experience turned very euphoric as soon as the psychedelic started kicking in.

Right so that's the 4-isopropylthio analog if memory serves. Yeah that's pretty rare. Nice one.

Correct. I got it in 2003 and then never saw it again. I have no idea if it was any safer than 2C-T-7. I treated it with great caution in case it wasn't and because of the high variation in individual dose responses that was reported . I wish we had some idea of what made 2C-T-7 so toxic. One possibility is that it has a very strong serotonin-like action at 5-HT2A in addition to whatever LSD-like action it has. Some data I've seen suggests that 2C-T-2 < 2C-T-7 < 2C-T-4 all have higher efficacy (relative to serotonin) at 5-HT2A receptors compared to pretty much any other of the semi-common psychedelics, and this might lead to a variety of problems if the dose is too high for a particular individual. If so, it's at least possible that 2C-T-4 is even more dangerous than 2C-T-7, but it's hard to know at this point.

Rarest Shulgin compound I've had (knowingly) would be DMMDA-2 from Indian Dill Seed Oil I manufactured myself back in 2001.

Wow! What an experience. In one of my O Chem labs, we synthesized safrole which smells absolutely heavenly, like a candy shop.

2C-T-4 is phenomenal, probably the strangest 2C compound that I've had.

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In short, it is extremely euphoric similar to that warmth that 2C-T-7 offers but more mindfucky and longer-lasting. Next to 2C-E this is the 2C with the most power behind it and it has a huge potential to induce glowing experiences. It's the most slept-on 2C out there IMO, but then again it's just not as user-friendly with its 14 hour duration and intense bodyload/visuals/headspace.

Now I'm jealous too because I never got to a full (+++) with it. I never noticed any mind-fuckiness nor did I get much bodyload. Being that 2C-E and 2C-T-2 are my favorite 2C-X, I'd probably enjoy a (+++) on it very much if I ever found it again.

 

[Psychestim]

Took 15mg 3-Me-PCiPr orally 2.5 hours ago and I must say that it’s quite nice. It‘s not a strong experience but it‘s pleasant, warm and bubbly. Other people I know that tried this compound through insufflation reported a lot of pain and dysphoria so it seems the ROA is important with this one. I prefer oral MXPr/MXiPr as well though so maybe something to keep in mind. Not that I think this ACH is gonna pop up on the market anytime soon but wanted to share this limited information.

 

[Pfafffed]

Much appreciated. Sounds like an interesting one!

 

[iom]

I took some 15ish mg 2C-I around 9 hours ago and am still tripping a little. My liquid preparation was supposed to have been 15 mL (1 mg/mL), but was only 13.5 mL, so either I accumulated a lot of error or I had some evaporation since last year. Either way, I rinsed the container for good measure which might have gotten me another 1-2 mg on top of whatever it was I started with.

The CEVs have been pretty damn awesome---brightly colored and varied in content with plain patterns, geometric landscapes, and cartoons even. Eyes open has been good too. Many things seemed to be "bleeding" color with off-the-chart saturation. I also got interesting auditory effects which are hard to describe.

The downside was that I wasn't able to really get into the trip the way I wanted to because it is so damn hot. It was too hot to go outside until after the sun had gone down, at around T+3.5, and even then it felt oppressive for much of the hour or so I was outside. Mentally I badly needed to get out and move around. I think 2C-I is one of the more genuinely stimulating psychedelics, and I had been kind of just waiting out the trip until then. The other thing is that I'm more than 20 years older than I was when I'd take some 2C-I or whatever and go all out on the dance floor. I've gotten myself into much better shape over the the last year or so, but I am still being very cautious with psychedelics since they seem to affect my body more strongly than they used to. This is the highest dose of 2C-I and most visually intense trip I've had since I took up psychedelics again almost a year ago. Each higher dose feels like it stretches my body a bit more, improving my ability to tolerate higher doses in the future.

I probably won't have any more 2C-I again until at least this winter. I don't have as much as I have of many other things, and it's rather unique. I also think it may be better suited to cooler environments and enjoying after dark. I'm not sure any psychedelics are fun when it's too hot though like today (and pretty much the whole damn week).

 

[Psychestim]

Took 15mg 3-Me-PCiPr orally 2.5 hours ago and I must say that it’s quite nice. It‘s not a strong experience but it‘s pleasant, warm and bubbly. Other people I know that tried this compound through insufflation reported a lot of pain and dysphoria so it seems the ROA is important with this one. I prefer oral MXPr/MXiPr as well though so maybe something to keep in mind. Not that I think this ACH is gonna pop up on the market anytime soon but wanted to share this limited information.

Unlike the 3-methyl analog, unsubstituted PCiPr is extremely long-lasting and heavy. I insufflated 15mg and felt dissociated for a full 24 hours. It is a very unique and profound compound, unlike PCE or PCP which seem much more recreational and superficial. PCiPr is stimulating but the dissociation is very strong and the headspace is confusing. This is not a beginner friendly dissociative at all and I'm sure it would not be a fan favorite but it is definitely worth a try if you're into novel ACH's and don't mind long durations. Wow, what an interesting compound.

 

[unodelacosa]

unsubstituted PCiPr is extremely long-lasting and heavy… It is a very unique and profound compound, unlike PCE or PCP which seem much more recreational and superficial.

Yeah how much experience do you have with actual phencyclidine PCP, no substitutions, analogs, homologs, etc., just straight up PCP? Because to describe it as "recreational and superficial" is not, in my humble opinion, at all accurate. I have had very profound, deeply spiritual experiences on PCP, both in Angel Dust form and as Sherm that I smoked. PCE is nauseating and weird and I've only done it a handful of times. I'm very experienced with PCP though and most of its available substitutions (save for the above-mentioned PCiPr). And anyway if you want/like very long-lasting dissos, look into Memantine which can persist some 40 hours and don't expect recreational potential.

Also, please forgive me for being pedantic here, but something cannot be "very unique", and generally "unique" is never meant to be modified as it's definition is an absolute. It means "one of a kind". Something either is or is not unique. It might be very unusual. But one thing cannot be more unique than another. @iom did this, too, calling 2C-I "rather unique". To me, 2C-I is a wonderful phenethylamine, very highly visual, but it's not exactly a distant cry from 2C-B, 2C-E, or even LSD. I also felt that 25I-NBOMe had similarities to 2C-I. Just my unsolicited $0.02 anyway.

 

[Psychestim]

Yeah how much experience do you have with actual phencyclidine PCP, no substitutions, analogs, homologs, etc., just straight up PCP? Because to describe it as "recreational and superficial" is not, in my humble opinion, at all accurate. I have had very profound, deeply spiritual experiences on PCP, both in Angel Dust form and as Sherm that I smoked. PCE is nauseating and weird and I've only done it a handful of times. I'm very experienced with PCP though and most of its available substitutions (save for the above-mentioned PCiPr).

Very little, so I agree, I might have stated that prematurely. The 3-MeO-PCx I have more experience with and they had something to them that consistently made them feel profound and magical for a lack of better terms which I haven‘t noticed with PCE/PCP although they are very similar in most regards. Experiences are highly subjective anyway though and if limited experience with a substance doesn‘t count a vast majority of trip reports on the forums would be useless which I don‘t think they are. Also, in regards to being pedantic I wrote „they SEEM to be more recreational and superficial“ which implies a tentative opinion on something.

And anyway if you want/like very long-lasting dissos, look into Memantine which can persist some 40 hours and don't expect recreational potential.

I have tried memantine twice at 40mg and 80mg but I have no desire to try it again tbh. The closed eye visuals I‘ve had on 80mg the first night I went to bed were whacky and interesting but the next day I just felt dumb and slightly nauseous. Like you said, not really recreational. How often have you tried it and at what doses?

Also, please forgive me for being pedantic here, but something cannot be "very unique", and generally "unique" is never meant to be modified as it's definition is an absolute. It means "one of a kind". Something either is or is not unique. It might be very unusual.

Thank you for the correction I will be more aware in the future

 

[Psychestim]

Entering uncharted territory, just sniffed 5mg of racemic 3-MeO-PCsBu. The sting was manageable but much worse than the 15mg of PCiPr which didn't burn in the slightest.

 

[JackARoe]

Entering uncharted territory, just sniffed 5mg of a stereoisomeric mixture of 3-MeO-PCsBu.

I admit I am not a dissociative guy but I truly love reading effects reports. Thanks Psychestim. Reading will have to do for me now. Although I was gifted 500 mgs of FXE (or whatever it really is, cannaket?)) and it was little crystalline chucks. The person that gave it to me loved the stuff and wanted to turn me on. (he is no longer living). At some point I will give it a shot. (I know I said that and my procrastination can irritate a few members. ) Once I get a few more mushroom and other trips I will give the FXE a shot.

I imagine the shelf life of some of these are stable. I mean I have read of people pulling stuff out after a few years and still be potent.

 

[Psychestim]

I admit I am not a dissociative guy but I truly love reading effects reports. Thanks Psychestim. Reading will have to do for me now.

Thanks, I actually planned to release a full report for PCiPr but it was so personal and emotional that I'm still unsure whether I want to. It'll stay private for now, because I'm not even sure how to interpret the experience myself yet.

Maybe I'll do one for this compound if it turns out to be a noteworthy experience. So far I feel nothing.

Although I was gifted 500 mgs of FXE (or whatever it really is, cannaket?)) and it was little crystalline chucks.

Depending on where your friend got it from it might actually be 3-Fluoro-2'-Oxo-PCE. I had some FXE analyzed almost two years ago that came out of NL and it was confirmed to be the 3-F isomer by a testing facility, whereas it seems that most of the Chinese batches turned out to be 2-Fluoro-2'-Oxo-PCE. @Nervewing did NMR on their batch and detected the 2-F isomer and it seems that the 2-F batches are way more common nowadays.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Anyone here messed around with promethazine? Reading about it, it sounds terrible as a recreational drug, but then there is all the hype for it in southern rap and chopped+screwed music.