Benzos Signed up for Benzo help uk.

[emkee_reinvented]

Both of these posts are scary. Throw in the bs from America's NSA program that was leaked by Edward Snowden, and it makes me want to relocate to South or Central America

You know the term banana Republic?

I live in a Cucumber Kingdom.

 

[Jnowhere]

Yes, I know that term Banana Republic, however I am not sure what a cucumber kingdom is.
Oh no it is 32 degrees Celsius here. lol

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Yes, I know that term Banana Republic, however I am not sure what a cucumber kingdom is.
Oh no it is 32 degrees Celsius here. lol

The same only different climate and different political system. We are a practizing democrazy and the royal family is more for promotion, But officially we are a kingdom.

We openly fight the war on drug's while supplying the whole world with high quality dope.
Bought with black money earned by sales of cannabis among other. Result of how our gouvernment let that ´tolerated' policie toward's Cannabis excist, which means creating black cash. Only Coffeeshop's pay tax not grower's. While legalization would have been the next logical step.

We are the perfect place to put your head office if you have a problem with taxes on profit.

And since a while, begun with privatizing health care, lately all public service's go downhill fast including what I wrote.
Somehow humanity and honesty have disappeared in these branches.

There are many places worse to live. But overhere its sneaky/ hidden under a nice blanket. But since right is in power nothing really good happened so very curious in this one which includes a extreme right party (racistic/ polarizing).

32 inside, hot here not over 22.5 inside and lots of rain, which is both weird.

 

[Jnowhere]

No, it is corruption and croney capitalism which isn't real capitalism. You combine that with a socialist labour party, you get a fucked up system. Then throw in those fucking retarded royals.
There is a reason we fought a revolution against England.
But we are getting fucked up also, but differently.
Canada is having problems too, different but still problems.
This whole century is turning into a disaster like the 20th century but different kinds of, fucked up.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

a socialist labour party

Is that left or right wing. Overhere the biggest party is a extreme right wing one. Left is supposed to be social and right capitalism. Extreme-right goes further including a.o. polarisation.

 

[steewith2ees]

It is weird how easy benzos are to get( prescribed)in America, compared to the UK. I was on Ativan( lorazepam) and switched to Valium( diazepam) I was on 6mg for 6-7 years. 1mg of Ativan =10 MG Valium.
I cut my use in half thinking 2mg of Ativan= 10mg of Valium.
No withdrawals but might it be the reason after 9-10 months I have become an insomniac?
Could it be that 6mg of Ativan= 60mg of Valium and now 30mg of Valium is the cause even after this long?

This whole mess can be largely blamed on Roche who wilfully excluded portions of text from the UK's English language version of the PIL included with their Mogadon oral nitrazepam products, specifically with respect to the drugs lack of suitability for anything other than short term or closely monitored PRN use. However as "Only one person has managed to obtain compensation from the Pharmaceutical Companies for Tranquilliser addiction (-) Iain Caldwell in Scotland (having) received a no liability settlement of over £100,000 for alleged addiction to Roche Product's Mogadon (nitrazepam) after a 13 year legal battle.", prescribers became potential targets instead and no longer even entertain the possibility that they can be used on a limited and closely monitored basis.

After first being RX'd diazepam in 2001 by my wonderful (UK NHS) GP who could still see through this all or nothing BS, I was able to make it until 2014 before needing to source these or any other BZD from the black market. After first allowing me to have a 3 month supply of 5mg tablets, she continued to be sensible enough to RX them for PRN use, on the reasonable basis that they would not ever be included as a repeat item. As long as I was prepared to see her for a consultation beforehand, she was more than happy to allow me to take away 2 boxes (56 doses) of 5mg tablets afterwards, the general understanding being that I would not ask her more than twice in any 12 - 18 month period. This limited but guaranteed access to the medication allowed me to rely on them when needed without ever over using them or feeling the need to 'stockpile' such drugs whenever given access.

When she finally left the practise, I was instantly identified as a manipulative drug seeker when trying to explain the above to a new GP and notwithstanding the products i could use prior to the introduction of the PSA, I have had to rely on the BM and the odd bit of doctor shopping ever since to obtain my BZD's. Never knowing when my source could be compromised, it has left me buying as many as possible when available and as many different types as available, with the 2mg clonazepam product quickly replacing my relatively benign 5mg diazepam due to its incredible potency by weight giving it more 'bang for buck' than any other long acting BZD derivative.

 

[Jnowhere]

Yeah I am prescribed 10mg 3 times a day of Valium. It is 1/10th as strong as the Ativan I was on for 6-7 years 2mg×3 times a day. Ativan 2mg =20 MG Valium. I may switch back. But I was supposed to die, but didn't so it didn't mater. I have refill on the 90, 10mg Valiums I get each month. You should have seen the amount of opiods, I mean like Oxycodone which I am on and Dilaudid and even prescription fentanyl that they use to prescribe. The doctors fucked it up for chronic pain patients, I can't take OTC med they are too hard on my liver and will kill me and 40mg of Oxycodone is not much once you get use to it. Got to go see my doctor in 90 minutes, but yeah they are strict about prescribed meds in The UK, but there is apparently is a huge illegal drug scene. Some like you have to it out of necessity. Good luck.

 

[Jnowhere]

Is that left or right wing. Overhere the biggest party is a extreme right wing one. Left is supposed to be social and right capitalism. Extreme-right goes further including a.o. polarisation.

Left is Communistic and right capitalistic. Extreme right is nationalistic and can be a socialist like the NAZI's and fascists. They sometimes believe in a populist nationalism, that goes beyond patriotism. If your proud to be British that really doesn't make you a nationalist. Imperialism with socialism is a big issue. I hate big governments but believe in some social programs, I am at odds with both major parties in the US. No offense but the British royal family with a very few exceptions are, well idiots too put it mildly. No issues with Kate or her kids( yet). Lol

 

[Bleaney]

This whole mess can be largely blamed on Roche who wilfully excluded portions of text from the UK's English language version of the PIL included with their Mogadon oral nitrazepam products, specifically with respect to the drugs lack of suitability for anything other than short term or closely monitored PRN use. However as "Only one person has managed to obtain compensation from the Pharmaceutical Companies for Tranquilliser addiction (-) Iain Caldwell in Scotland (having) received a no liability settlement of over £100,000 for alleged addiction to Roche Product's Mogadon (nitrazepam) after a 13 year legal battle.", prescribers became potential targets instead and no longer even entertain the possibility that they can be used on a limited and closely monitored basis.

After first being RX'd diazepam in 2001 by my wonderful (UK NHS) GP who could still see through this all or nothing BS, I was able to make it until 2014 before needing to source these or any other BZD from the black market. After first allowing me to have a 3 month supply of 5mg tablets, she continued to be sensible enough to RX them for PRN use, on the reasonable basis that they would not ever be included as a repeat item. As long as I was prepared to see her for a consultation beforehand, she was more than happy to allow me to take away 2 boxes (56 doses) of 5mg tablets afterwards, the general understanding being that I would not ask her more than twice in any 12 - 18 month period. This limited but guaranteed access to the medication allowed me to rely on them when needed without ever over using them or feeling the need to 'stockpile' such drugs whenever given access.

When she finally left the practise, I was instantly identified as a manipulative drug seeker when trying to explain the above to a new GP and notwithstanding the products i could use prior to the introduction of the PSA, I have had to rely on the BM and the odd bit of doctor shopping ever since to obtain my BZD's. Never knowing when my source could be compromised, it has left me buying as many as possible when available and as many different types as available, with the 2mg clonazepam product quickly replacing my relatively benign 5mg diazepam due to its incredible potency by weight giving it more 'bang for buck' than any other long acting BZD derivative.

So if that is the case, we have Iain Caldwell to thank for the current situation. It sounds like that may have been one factor, but there's likely others too, like Drs in general becoming more aware of the addictive nature of bzs, and of people abusing them, and of their withdrawal syndrome.

It's been said a thousand times already on threads like this, that the w/d syndrome from SSRIs can be just as bad in many cases, so it's incredibly frustrating the nonsensical nature of the situation, with access to meds as effective as bzs via legitimate channels having now become virtually impossible, at least via the NHS.

You will know that many people seem to be switching to clonazepam due to the extremely high amount of fake diazepam pills in circulation on the black market. I'm concerned that the stocks of the so far ever reliable Galenkia Rivotril brand of Clonazepam may finally be running low, and I will have to get alternative brands tested, or see if I can get the GR Clonaz from other vendors.

There do seem to be some vendors that are gaining a reputation for stocking genuine pills, but it seems even they can't guarantee the strength of the diazepam they are providing. I guess one can judge the dose by the effects, to some extent, but it's obviously far from ideal.

In an ideal world diazepam or etizolam would be my first choice, due to their effects profiles being more weighted towards efficacy on relieving anxiety, rather than for sedative effects for assisting with sleep, or trauma etc.

 

[Jnowhere]

Is that left or right wing. Overhere the biggest party is a extreme right wing one. Left is supposed to be social and right capitalism. Extreme-right goes further including a.o. polarisation.

Both sides I am alienated from. I am not realy a part of the 2 biggest parties here, but mostly libertarian, but I love my country and hate the government. I have a lot of strong views on many personal things, but I really
don't care what others do, as long as they know where their rights end and where others start. I would lean conservative but I have some views that are slightly liberal( old school liberal). I am not a total libertarian because of certain disagreements with pure libertarians, that most people would also disagree with. I attended libertarian party meetings in college or as you might say University. I am an independent who is kind of a man without a party. The new left tries to disrupt meetings and speeches by anyone who disagrees with them. They also try to force their beliefs and are intolerant of anything or anyone who doesn't walk in lock step with their views. That shit ain't cool. I also don't like the government trying to run people's lives but I believe in some social programs and am against too much privatization of nessesary services and I hate lobbyists and corruption. I have been poor, for America, for a lot of my life but things change and Things have been good and sometimes bad. Not rich, but not poor.
Also the conservatives are moderates in the UK. Hitler was extreme right wing, because of his nationalist views at the expense of 10's of millions dead. Don't try to compare the two. All these people brainwashed by television and the media and have lost perspective. Stuff that will get you a few years in prison over in the UK could be life with no hope of parole here. Also where is the death penalty? Europeans are different than us in the colonies. Lol. Where do you think slavery really came from in America? Europe, because of demand for cheap goods. NIMBY. Not say those evil bastards who owned plantations are not guilty too, but British Imperialism? Europeans expect the government to take care of them. It is the royalty and serf mentality. They still have royalty all throughout Europe still and they may want their power back after they fuck over the world's economy. They are preparing for a one world government and there are a lot of European nobles behind this shit. Make no mistake, things a lot of times that seem unexpected are planned. There are a lot of greedy, power hungry evil bastards who are trying to carve up the world and create a small ruling elite and a bunch of peasants who are there to serve them.
That's right, I am into reality, some may say conspiracy. Seen all this shit on YouTube about puff daddy, or whatever he is calling himself this week. Go back a couple of years. No one believed the rumors then shit hit the fan. Things are going on and have been because there is a lot of evil shit that rich and powerful got planned. Watch and see. What about all the revelations that come out about people. I trust no party or government. No I am not an Anarchist or Nilist. But big powerful governments, corporations and people are dangerous and (I trust no one, not even myself). Sorry to throw in a Josef Stalin quote, but there is a lot of evil and power corrupts. Look at North Korea, secretly Kim Jung fatass is hated by everyone but him and few people, who enslave 20 million. Power corrupts, and an armed population is the best defense against tyranny. That can sum up my views sort of.

 

[Jnowhere]

So if that is the case, we have Iain Caldwell to thank for the current situation. It sounds like that may have been one factor, but there's likely others too, like Drs in general becoming more aware of the addictive nature of bzs, and of people abusing them, and of their withdrawal syndrome.

It's been said a thousand times already on threads like this, that the w/d syndrome from SSRIs can be just as bad in many cases, so it's incredibly frustrating the nonsensical nature of the situation, with access to meds as effective as bzs via legitimate channels having now become virtually impossible, at least via the NHS.

You will know that many people seem to be switching to clonazepam due to the extremely high amount of fake diazepam pills in circulation on the black market. I'm concerned that the stocks of the so far ever reliable Galenkia Rivotril brand of Clonazepam may finally be running low, and I will have to get alternative brands tested, or see if I can get the GR Clonaz from other vendors.

There do seem to be some vendors that are gaining a reputation for stocking genuine pills, but it seems even they can't guarantee the strength of the diazepam they are providing. I guess one can judge the dose by the effects, to some extent, but it's obviously far from ideal.

In an ideal world diazepam or etizolam would be my first choice, due to their effects profiles being more weighted towards efficacy on relieving anxiety, rather than for sedative effects for assisting with sleep, or trauma etc.

All this over a small lawsuit that took over a decade?

 

[Bleaney]

All this over a small lawsuit that took over a decade?

I doubt it's the whole reason, although it may have helped to form one part of the problem, in some cases.

 

[Jnowhere]

Am I wrong, that NHS being so restricted when it comes to pain killers and benzos has helped fuel the the illegal drug scene in the UK?

I doubt it's the whole reason, although it may have helped to form one part of the problem, in some cases.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Well after a complete mindfuck of two months i have filled the form for local drug services, if you have read my posts then you will u derstand i have a benzo habit, 30mg diaz, had to start CT before getting some ropey bromazolam and latterly alpraz.
The alpraz just dont last long enough and my use of that i can see increasing.

I have put on the form that my supply has now got nitizenes pressed in and i'm unwilling to take.
Anyone know what to expect, i know they are snowed under and my town is wracked with lots of substance missuse and they are very busy, they have moved into bigger premises.

Any info/ammo to arm myself with?

Thanks for listening people over the last two months, and any info now you can share is invaluble.

Dave x
Take care folks.

(also UK here)
They don't DO help with benzos in my city anymore* but they made an accept for me *preens* 'cause I've almost never been a typical drug buyer in that I'd use the dark web and buy myself like a 14 or 28 day supply at a time (rather than buying a little at a time every day or whatever from an IRL dealer). It was at a place I was already getting Methadone at and I told them I really wanted help and they said that they can write you out a TAPERING GUIDE, but you've basically gotta keep getting your own benzos and taper off them. I was like "If I could control my use, I would have" :/....like I get that whole "delusions of sobriety" with them so TO ME, I'll be totally normal while I'm obviously super fucked-up to everyone else. Also, I find them like alcohol where the more you have the less you give a shit about how much you've had.
But I was lucky/unlucky enough to have a seizure right outside their building, so a nurse brought me in and they have me 20mg diazepam then and there but when they realized it would be 3 days before I could get any more myself, they agreed to do a taper for me as long as I went there in person every day to get a 1-day supply (like with methadone/buprenorphine).
They didn't give me MUCH. But basically tapered me, like:
Week 1: 40mg
2: 35mg
3 30mg

etc etc (of diazepam).
I was mildlllly uncomfortable but it was fine.


*too many benzo addicts were only going there to prescribed benzos to take ON TOP OF what they already had :/

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Am I wrong, that NHS being so restricted when it comes to pain killers and benzos has helped fuel the the illegal drug scene in the UK?

They're so restrictive that I got into a brilliant/horrible situation a bunch of years back of fucking a pharmacist for Oxy not even to get high on (well, a little bit to get high on lol) because I was in so much pain on a daily basis I was suicidal.

 

[Jnowhere]

They're so restrictive that I got into a brilliant/horrible situation a bunch of years back of fucking a pharmacist for Oxy not even to get high on (well, a little bit to get high on lol) because I was in so much pain on a daily basis I was suicidal.

Chronic pain is horrible, that is one of many reasons my family had been miserable and who kept to themselves and didn't socialize at all. In this case misery doesn't love company. When I feel like shit, which is most days, I want to hide in my house/tomb, but there aren't as much haunting and weird shit anymore.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

No, it is corruption and croney capitalism which isn't real capitalism. You combine that with a socialist labour party, you get a fucked up system. Then throw in those fucking retarded royals.
There is a reason we fought a revolution against England.
But we are getting fucked up also, but differently.
Canada is having problems too, different but still problems.
This whole century is turning into a disaster like the 20th century but different kinds of, fucked up.

This description hold's a lot of truth.

For good sakes I am ashamed to be Dutch. The royal family is a joke and pricey asset. As soon as you register your newborn he/ she becomes a servant and looses souvernity. Being your own, instead of some sort of reworded slave with benefit's.

Left or right indeed doesn't matter fuck left always loses, not voting automatically wil make your vote go to the biggest winner. So going and crossing the paper or a vote for a party that will be in the bench is what I do.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

This description hold's a lot of truth.

For good sakes I am ashamed to be Dutch. The royal family is a joke and pricey asset. As soon as you register your newborn he/ she becomes a servant and looses souvernity. Being your own, instead of some sort of reworded slave with benefit's.

Left or right indeed doesn't matter fuck left always loses, not voting automatically wil make your vote go to the biggest winner. So going and crossing the paper or a vote for a party that will be in the bench is what I do.

exact same in uk really

although we are about to vote in a (once left-wing, now-centrist) labour party as government, there's a truly worrying and increasing shift towards far-right thinking among the young poor whites ("damn immigrants taking our jobs" kinda shit, as opposed to the actual reality of the country being asset-stripped for the last 14 years by the corporate-serving medium-rightwing tory party)

 

[Jnowhere]

Oh , I thought you were from the UK, but I hate the idea of the entrenched class, systems of some places. Opportunities are important to give motivation to rise up. sorry I was wrong thinking you were in the UK. I'd rather be in the Netherlands than the UK. They aren't as crazy about drugs( legal prescription) or otherwise.
Don't know much about The Netherlands but I live in Michigan and our weed laws are possibly looser than the Dutch. Grow your own. Upto 2 1/2 ounces of possession for medical or recreational and we have pot shops everywhere. Grow 12 plants, it is legal. More with a permit. We have billboards with Marijuana advertising. But the opiod( prescription laws suck). Loose gun laws.
Sorry, I really only know about some stereotypical things about your country.
I thought you were from the UK. The Far right is definitely more far right than in The UK.

 

[50shadesofDave]

Well, i swerved the appointment, due to the consequenes of going for it but to not end up on a taper isn't right imo.
I have had a read up about the local services and it's got really bad reviews.

I have tried to source what i can find, but i'm scared of most benzos now because of my experience with the zene/bromazolam bensedin fakes that i took, that was a truly awfull experience for myself and not a buzz i'm into.

I have sourced 60 legit ksalos which helped massivley but next time i bought them they were counterfiet, same taste but the press was way off with both sides of the pill a different shape, there is a couple of pics on wedinos that are the same and tested as alprazolam so i'm guessing random doses but they do take the edge off, i've had really weak kern prodes that tasted like chalk and don't seem to affect how i feel. I've had a 30ml bottle of bromazolam @ 3mg per 1ml which gave me sleep (albeit nightmare heavy) i also had a bottle 30ml of flubrotizolam which made me really suicidal, i even went and bought the stuff and tried to write a note, which is when i realised what i was doing!!! that bottle is getting binned
I managed to get a box of 28 5mg yellows which do give me a break but not for long, so now i have no idea what i have done to my tolerance, i've been really uncomfortable and many many sleepless nights, and when i do sleep i'm awake at the first hint of daybreak, 4.30am for weeks.
My aunt passed away last week and i went round to see my cousin who said i looked really ill, i told him it was stress from being out of work for 3 months and i've got optic atrophy (true) which isn't being helped by auditory hallucinations when i try to leave the next dose of something too long. I've dropped to the deck a few weeks ago and wet myself but i think i fainted as i had not eaten for over a day.

On a side note, i wondered if the service i contacted would have told my gp, i have a repeat script for DHC which i used to need badly in my previous job due to injuries from a motorcycle accident, but i'd stopped taking them when i went into CT initially, so i ordered my repeat and was sent the tabs so i don't think they have been told. (bonus).

Overall i'm fucking lost, if i survive this somehow i'm going on a crusade to get others help and try to get taper plans implemented as this will be so widespread with the state of the current supply.

What do you guys think i will have done to my tolerance and situation? It's been a rough time, but when i leave a dose too long my fingers sort of go rigid and i get really bad ringing in my ears and my vision goes to bits, so sensitive to light etc.

Thank you for reading.