Dissociatives ket belly

[Sixx_Psychonaut]

just wondering if many of you out there have experienced 'ket belly' and care to share your experience or also remedies for it or even things that help with it or make it worse. cheers :}

 

[fairnymph]

I’ve never had any GI issues with IM ketamine. Best way to use k, imo, by far.

 

[Chris Timothy]

Careful with ketamine in the bath tub. That's how K deaths happen.

You must train your immune system to accept the K as a vitamin rather than a pathogen.

Pairing it with tea is a great start to do so.

 

[JackARoe]

You must train your immune system to accept the K as a vitamin rather than a pathogen.

I really do believe this is the way of medicine in the future. Some type of mind over matter rather than a pill that heals? Or at least a much larger mental component. Has to do with faith. You must have faith it is a vitamin 100% for it to work. Most of us humans are not there yet. But this is an important statement.

For now, tea!

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

tea-ket..tee....kt,,,wait,::::ticket

 

[Chris Timothy]

I really do believe this is the way of medicine in the future. Some type of mind over matter rather than a pill that heals? Or at least a much larger mental component. Has to do with faith. You must have faith it is a vitamin 100% for it to work. Most of us humans are not there yet. But this is an important statement.

For now, tea!

Alright alright, Vitamin F is fine too..

 

[cdin]

yes! ok so - ketamine is a fairly caustic hydrochloride salt! if you are snorting it, you NEED to spit out the drip if you are doing a lot of it. over time, that constant HCl drip down your throat will cause gastritis, irritating the sphincters on the entry and exit of your stomach. it's painful af and makes eating terrible. ive had it happen a few times. you gotta just lay off ket, and DEFINITELY not get it in your stomach. it's not good for linings of stomachs or bladders. -- if you are experiencing this from IM K, the only time i have seen such problems are when a batch was off, and had precursor or unreacted solvent or something else gross in it.

 

[Chris Timothy]

The whole vitamin K meme is dumb to begin with I do agree.

Pardon the hyperbole already.

 

[Chris Timothy]

Actually, scratch that. If we're gonna put thumbs-ups under vitamin F, let me get another word in for vitamin K.

@cdin Is ketamine technically caustic? Yes! Ok so calling ketamine caustic is also as much a hyperbole as calling it a vitamin. Because 1), it's nowhere near as corroding as the chemicals commonly called caustic, and 2), is not the main factor in the harm it can do to the body. Because if it were, we wouldn't see this rather huge variability in adverse effects reported, which vary from people getting messed up from one mere gram, to people going through two order of magnitude more than that, and feeling fine. This leads to the hypothesis that the harm is mediated by the immune response. And this hypothesis finds support in the literature, not to mention anecdotally from the harm reduction techniques that have been developed here.

If it gets into your stomach, then norketamine forms. Which is another story. Bypassing this with needles has its drawbacks as well. Which is why I advocate using stronger arylcyclohexylamines, like the MXE analogues. Those are stronger in effect than ketamine, yet stay equal in body load. And they, perhaps more importantly, offer more ROAs for bypassing the stomach. (I was really thinking of those when throwing my hyperbole.)

Can ketamine's harm be reduced as to be a net positive enough to one's life force, not quite like but also not entirely unlike a vitamin? Well, I can't see that happening myself.. although clinical settings, which put a fixed pace on consumption, do express astonishing optimism (as do a couple of posters here). Can methoxetamine's harm be reduced as to be a net positive enough to one's life force? In my experience, yes. So let's change that metaphor to vitamin M instead then, shall we.. keeping in mind that sufficiently reducing its harm takes a lot of effort, more than just having faith in it. And in absence of applying the entire harm reduction stack PD has aggregated over time, people do still fuck themselves up with it.

@JackARoe, I doubt the future of medicine lies in abolishing medicine. In fact, it's currently exploding through the incorporation of AI in drug discovery. Should Western medicine do a better job recognizing the innate healing response? Yes. Should this be to the exclusion of catalysts for it? Maybe you have time for that. I don't believe society at large has.

 

[JackARoe]

@JackARoe, I doubt the future of medicine lies in abolishing medicine. In fact, it's currently exploding through the incorporation of AI in drug discovery. Should Western medicine do a better job recognizing the innate healing response? Yes. Should this be to the exclusion of catalysts for it? Maybe you have time for that. I don't believe society at large has.

Oh Ye of little Faith. Maybe, maybe not. But not too long ago we did not even have an area that dealt with mental things. Psychiatry and psychology. The mind will play a more important part IMO in healing than medicines. Only time will tell.

 

[PtahTek]

Only time will tell

It all seems so optimistic and such imo that we heal ourselves of maladies.
I like the drive.
No telling where all this goes but I'm still trying to be optimistic.
I also know that ups and downs are a thing so maybe we at least reach a point of staying as close to our base "vibration" as possible instead of having sharp peaks could help. How? Not sure yet but workin on it and over time it seems to be having positive effects.
OT
Could this be akin to beer belly?

 

[nepalnt21]

i used to drink it with hard cider or by itself and i loved it. never had any stomach issues, and i am one that has stomach issues from everything (even black tea, especially green tea)

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

i used to drink it with hard cider or by itself and i loved it. never had any stomach issues, and i am one that has stomach issues from everything (even black tea, especially green tea)

sometimes are bodies needs nothing for a mind to reset itself or to balance it
its funny how oxymoron your sentence is just extract love and cider, there your stomach issue that you never had but again you had stomach issues from everything

Well...who is confusing who here probably me myself
your Honor I must apologize for my manner

 

[nepalnt21]

everything

it's hyperbole... if EVERYTHING gave me stomach issues, i'd be dead right now. prolly from stomach cancer due to the constant inflammation.

many things do. i typically avoid them.

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

I know

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

or I dont sorry it is like wet Sun like ego death, such a stupid name for something so beautifull

 

[Chris Timothy]

Oh Ye of little Faith. Maybe, maybe not. But not too long ago we did not even have an area that dealt with mental things. Psychiatry and psychology. The mind will play a more important part IMO in healing than medicines. Only time will tell.

Little faith?

I have the faith not to end this experience node.

In contrast to what you would have done with it.

 

[Chris Timothy]

I've had Jehovah's witnesses at the door once. They had some success story where there were actually benefits to not giving people blood with certain types of injuries. This validated in their mind their blanket anti-science sentiment of never giving wounded people any blood ever.

Exactly how is your argument different from these Jehovah's witnesses? It isn't. You're implicitly supporting the death of everyone helped through modern medicine.

It's a disgrace to have you as mod here.

 

[JackARoe]

It's a disgrace to have you as mod here.

Hey CT I contribute some understandable and thoughtful posts that actually make sense. You in the other hand contribute jibberish that most people probably tune out. You want to call me a disgrace? Look in the mirror buddy. I am on to you and think you are sneaky, a backstab and not brave enough to come to my face in PM and tell me what you told mods behind the scenes. You do not like hearing truth, if someone calls you out you get defensive. A sign of total immaturity that has been displayed post after post. If you have an issue then come to me, not make up stories of the horrible things I did to you that were false to other mods. That is chickenshit stuff. You want to have it in PM you should have come to me. Face it like a man.

Exactly how is your argument different from these Jehovah's witnesses? It isn't. You're implicitly supporting the death of everyone helped through modern medicine.

Total dramatics because you want to argue. Mention any form of faith to CT and it is like a cross to dracula. Never any open minded ability to leave for possibilities.

So keep it up buddy, Learn to accept opinions without having your feelings hurt like a child. I am done with you.

 

[fairnymph]

i used to drink it with hard cider or by itself and i loved it. never had any stomach issues, and i am one that has stomach issues from everything (even black tea, especially green tea)

Black tea & especially green tea & black coffee are hard on my stomach too & my stomach isn’t sensitive generally. It used to be like cast iron in fact, but I never liked those bever without cream/milk, especially green tea.