EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

[steewith2ees]

Crisis warning over deadly drug cocktail '10 times stronger than Fentanyl'

Experts have warned a sharp rise in use could result in a wave of deaths unless urgent action is taken to protect casual users and addicts.

news.sky.com

Mainstream media discussing this. For once i agree with them there is a crisis looming with all the bensedin and loose benzos being consumed in the UK surely this doesn't end well.

The UK legacy media is just as good at this as ever - you do not strike me as anything close to naïve with respect to the drug scene and most certainly recognise how right it is that the most likely outcome is, as reported, a mess, however, to split hairs over specific mechanics instead of acknowledging what the real problem has been since day 1 is how they still con people - even the likes of us who have been dealing with this issue in one extent or another since first using any drug that is not a physically identifiable type of cannabis matter.

The media, following their first collusion with the Met Police in the early 70's, are responsible for convincing the UK's population that drug use is an inherently criminal act and are chiefly responsible for the lack of progress made. Even the one small step made in the right direction - the downgrading of ganja to Class C was undone by nothing more than a few hysterical mothers blaming 'skunk' weed for sending their kids bananas. The last thing I want to do is minimise the misery of having to deal with a psychotic illness for the first time and I have seen first hand how unhelpful smoking cannabis is with respect to how drastically it can exacerbate positive psychotic symptoms in people already poorly, but the whole thing with weed being responsible for causing such severe illness in the first place is IMO bullshit. I can understand it being a precursor type stressor in the asymptomatic with underlying tendencies but so can be any pressure teens have to endure.

tbc

 

[deficiT]

Didn't know where to post this, and didn't feel it appropriate to make a whole thread about it, figured I'd say it here because this seems to be one of the more active threads in EADD.

Anyway, just wanted to say sorry to the britfolk for picking that fight with y'all that I did a year or two ago, whenever that was. I was out of bounds and did a lot of ignorant shit to a lot of people when I was drinking and doing coke/benzos heavily. It's no excuse, but I'm desiring to repent, so hopefully this concession serves as a means to dead any grudge that anyone might be holding against me regarding it.

Hope everyone's doing good, again, my apologies This is directed towards chinup too, I'm sorry for flipping out. Whether she gets wind of this or not is up to y'all if you still talk to her, but I figured I'd let it be known, since I have no contact with her.

 

[fastandbulbous]

The UK legacy media is just as good at this as ever - you do not strike me as anything close to naïve with respect to the drug scene and most certainly recognise how right it is that the most likely outcome is, as reported, a mess, however, to split hairs over specific mechanics instead of acknowledging what the real problem has been since day 1 is how they still con people - even the likes of us who have been dealing with this issue in one extent or another since first using any drug that is not a physically identifiable type of cannabis matter.

The media, following their first collusion with the Met Police in the early 70's, are responsible for convincing the UK's population that drug use is an inherently criminal act and are chiefly responsible for the lack of progress made. Even the one small step made in the right direction - the downgrading of ganja to Class C was undone by nothing more than a few hysterical mothers blaming 'skunk' weed for sending their kids bananas. The last thing I want to do is minimise the misery of having to deal with a psychotic illness for the first time and I have seen first hand how unhelpful smoking cannabis is with respect to how drastically it can exacerbate positive psychotic symptoms in people already poorly, but the whole thing with weed being responsible for causing such severe illness in the first place is IMO bullshit. I can understand it being a precursor type stressor in the asymptomatic with underlying tendencies but so can be any pressure teens have to endure.

tbc

Anything can flip a teen with underlying asymptomatic psychosis. I went to school who lost the plot from smoking cigarettes. As for myself, it takes protracted amphet use to make me a little batshit crazy and that resolves on stopping. Have used all manner of drugs and stayed sane.
Fucking Rupert Murdoch's arsewipe 'newspapers'...

 

[Tranced]

Didn't know where to post this, and didn't feel it appropriate to make a whole thread about it, figured I'd say it here because this seems to be one of the more active threads in EADD.

Anyway, just wanted to say sorry to the britfolk for picking that fight with y'all that I did a year or two ago, whenever that was. I was out of bounds and did a lot of ignorant shit to a lot of people when I was drinking and doing coke/benzos heavily. It's no excuse, but I'm desiring to repent, so hopefully this concession serves as a means to dead any grudge that anyone might be holding against me regarding it.

Hope everyone's doing good, again, my apologies This is directed towards chinup too, I'm sorry for flipping out. Whether she gets wind of this or not is up to y'all if you still talk to her, but I figured I'd let it be known, since I have no contact with her.

Not sure I was posting/privy to this happening (doubt), or what happened, but just to say I massively respect you for coming back to do that. You sound sincere and always came across well in my books, DeficiT.

After my own little issue with a couple of admins/their stooges and their creepy little smear attempt, the one that massively backfired on them (sorry, had to - true though ), then I'm just glad you had some integrity and apologised.

Anyway, I've been in touch with chinup since then because of that, so I'll be sure to let her know.

Much respect. you sound actually humble. Edit: and always did, btw, as far as I ever saw.

 

[deficiT]

Not sure I was posting/privy to this happening (doubt), or what happened, but just to say I massively respect you for coming back to do that. You sound sincere and always came across well in my books, DeficiT.

After my own little issue with a couple of admins/their stooges and their creepy little smear attempt, the one that massively backfired on them (sorry, had to - true though ), then I'm just glad you had some integrity and apologised.

Anyway, I've been in touch with chinup since then because of that, so I'll be sure to let her know.

Much respect. you sound actually humble. Edit: and always did, btw, as far as I ever saw.

Thanks Tranced for understanding, I really appreciate that

 

[chinup]

Didn't know where to post this, and didn't feel it appropriate to make a whole thread about it, figured I'd say it here because this seems to be one of the more active threads in EADD.

Anyway, just wanted to say sorry to the britfolk for picking that fight with y'all that I did a year or two ago, whenever that was. I was out of bounds and did a lot of ignorant shit to a lot of people when I was drinking and doing coke/benzos heavily. It's no excuse, but I'm desiring to repent, so hopefully this concession serves as a means to dead any grudge that anyone might be holding against me regarding it.

Hope everyone's doing good, again, my apologies This is directed towards chinup too, I'm sorry for flipping out. Whether she gets wind of this or not is up to y'all if you still talk to her, but I figured I'd let it be known, since I have no contact with her.

Thanks man.

Tbh I hold nothing against you, I know you had a lot of shit on your plate back then.

When I was dealing with people after I got fecked off, you and TLB were the only reasonable people I dealt with. Though you weren't reasonable all the time.

Arrall and Mal are the people who pushed me to leave BL cos of their lies, playing favourites, and character assassination of me due to my refusal to choose ideology over biological reality.

Hopefully they'll grow up otherwise some power on a drug forum will be the height of their lives.

So to be clear, though deficit nuked my account, he didn't precipitate the events leading up to that.

Hope all of you are doing well, and since we're in the benzo thread, using them responsibly.

Thanks Tranced for brining this to my attention.

 

[mauve]

Users of wedinos, what margin of error rate do they have in your opinion?

 

[mauve]

Hi guys, so I wanted to see the accuracy of wedinos and decided to send of the same sample cut in half a month apart. It came back on the wedinos website as two separate results.

Any reasons for why this could be?

Also I decided to test their accuracy for identification of psychoactive substances that are active in micro grams. Again the sample result showed an entirely different substance to the one major one in the sample and one micro one in the sample I sent of.

Is everything ok @ wedinos ?

Going back a year or so... I had genuine mephedrone, and it came back as caffeine on the wedinos website only a day later to be changed to mephedrone...

 

[pharaoh]

Sup guys. Still working on my taper and stocking up via various vendors so I don't have to experience cold turkey again but I wondered if any old heads could explain what happened to temazepam? I got a bottle on the street once, shaped like eggs but not "jellies" (I assumed that they got rid of the liquid type due to people injecting back in the day) but I think they were fake. Anyway I was placing orders and so many sites have them listed but mostly always "out of stock". One has them supposedly available but I was told by a buddy on here that he ordered some and figured they were fake. I just wonder given that they were always so popular and people are even nostalgic about them but you never really see them now. I've seen people selling "street valium" on the street and claiming it's temazepam but that's on BS.

Anyway hope all are well. I'm trying to taper down to 30mg of diazepam to 30mg and it's going OK but some days are trying and it's too easy to just have an extra one. Wish I'd never gotten back into these fckin things.

 

[elgoucho9]

Hi guys, so I wanted to see the accuracy of wedinos and decided to send of the same sample cut in half a month apart. It came back on the wedinos website as two separate results.

Any reasons for why this could be?

Also I decided to test their accuracy for identification of psychoactive substances that are active in micro grams. Again the sample result showed an entirely different substance to the one major one in the sample and one micro one in the sample I sent of.

Is everything ok @ wedinos ?

Going back a year or so... I had genuine mephedrone, and it came back as caffeine on the wedinos website only a day later to be changed to mephedrone...

Well if they changed the result to the correct item a day later that means they realised there was a mistake no?

People seem to give Wedinos alot of flack on here. I've sent numerous samples in and never had an issue personally. Also it is worth remembering, it is FREE. They aren't making any money from this and imagine how many samples are actually being sent to them for testing? It's alot of extra work for very little thanks they get.

What do you mean the same sample cut in half two months apart? Not very clear. And it came back as 2 seperate results. Not sure I follow what you mean by this.

 

[mauve]

Well if they changed the result to the correct item a day later that means they realised there was a mistake no?

People seem to give Wedinos alot of flack on here. I've sent numerous samples in and never had an issue personally. Also it is worth remembering, it is FREE. They aren't making any money from this and imagine how many samples are actually being sent to them for testing? It's alot of extra work for very little thanks they get.

What do you mean the same sample cut in half two months apart? Not very clear. And it came back as 2 seperate results. Not sure I follow what you mean by this.

Instead of sending the whole sample in one go. I sent it in two. A month apart, the results of the first half were as expected, the results of the second half totally different...

 

[mauve]

Sup guys. Still working on my taper and stocking up via various vendors so I don't have to experience cold turkey again but I wondered if any old heads could explain what happened to temazepam? I got a bottle on the street once, shaped like eggs but not "jellies" (I assumed that they got rid of the liquid type due to people injecting back in the day) but I think they were fake. Anyway I was placing orders and so many sites have them listed but mostly always "out of stock". One has them supposedly available but I was told by a buddy on here that he ordered some and figured they were fake. I just wonder given that they were always so popular and people are even nostalgic about them but you never really see them now. I've seen people selling "street valium" on the street and claiming it's temazepam but that's on BS.

Anyway hope all are well. I'm trying to taper down to 30mg of diazepam to 30mg and it's going OK but some days are trying and it's too easy to just have an extra one. Wish I'd never gotten back into these fckin things.

Just go at your own pace, use your WD symptoms as a guide, hold the dose if it gets trying. I'm currently on 38mg, and holding for a few weeks. May I ask what technique your using to taper?

 

[pharaoh]

Just go at your own pace, use your WD symptoms as a guide, hold the dose if it gets trying. I'm currently on 38mg, and holding for a few weeks. May I ask what technique your using to taper?

So far I'm not really using techniques, just cutting down on dosage. Due to the long half life of diazepam I don't need to take as much as I do and so it's really just about stabilising my dose before starting to lower it bit by bit. The problem I have is that I get stressed and think fuck it, I'll pop one under the tongue. Especially over the holidays with in laws and all that. But as I say, due to the half life I think that theoretically, over time, I could go from 30mg as my starting point and then start to half each tablet, cutting it in half (maybe cutting one tablet in half at a time and giving it a few days in between) until down to maybe one 10mg tablet a day, cut in two, one in the morning and one before bed. Due to the half life, I think it would take a while for the w/ds to kick in. But at the moment I think it's just about stabilising the dose and then slowly reducing. It's just hard to do but that's mostly psychological I think. I will look at tapering guides as well. Another problem is with the actual benzos. Generally I use bensedin and for the most part they are actually diazepam but a lot of people say they are underdosed so it's hard to know how much you're actually taking. You might take more than usual with a new batch if it has lower diazepam content. Really we need a programme similar to those for heroin/opioid addiction which has worked for me but they won't do it with benzos. Doctors will never give them out and the services that provide subutex etc aren't allowed, but they could help a lot of people by providing them and having a taper plan in place, especially with the nightmare caused by the street valium problem we have here.

Anyway it'd got something like: 30mg per day - cut one tablet so it's 25mg per day for a few days - cut a third tablet so it's 20mg a day but still three doses - cut one dose out so it would be one 5mg dose in the morning and one 5mg dose in the evening - down to 2.5mg, morning and night and try to go as low as possible this way, probably crushing the tablets and using powder and using scales to weigh doses as low as possible. Eventually stopping but keeping some on hand for seizures etc (probably alprazolam due to quick action) and spend a week or two going through it. How long to wait between cutting doses I'm not sure, but this is my rough plan. It'll take a while due to how long it stays in your blood but the lower in the bloodstream, the easier hopefully to withdraw with minimal side effects. I did cold turkey and had a seizure which was scary AF (worse than anything else, including being stabbed) and I've had a few in the past due to alcohol, but the weirdest part was the depersonalization and all that. It's like being on a drug in itself. But that was from chaotic use over time combined with booze and periodic heroin use.

 

[elgoucho9]

Instead of sending the whole sample in one go. I sent it in two. A month apart, the results of the first half were as expected, the results of the second half totally different...

Interesting. I think it was @Tranced who pointed out some results where they had like minor amounts of 3 random drugs you would not expect to find in whatever the test sample was. Like he put it seemed likely they hadn't cleaned things from the last thing they tested. Rather than found all this in the latest sample, if that makes sense.

Sorry I'm running on very little sleep here.

 

[Bleaney]

@pharaoh

Not sure if you're in the UK, but in rare or 'one off' circumstances you may get something like 2 weeks of 5mg diazepam prescribed, for use at the tail end of a taper (or other rare or exceptional circumstances). As I did in the 2010s.

But that's at the expense of a misuse of drugs problem going on your medical record for ever.

Not being able to rely on the strength of street or net purchased benzos can be a real problem towards the end of a taper. Although if you have one batch you can work things out from there as to how you're reacting to the reductions.

 

[mauve]

So far I'm not really using techniques, just cutting down on dosage. Due to the long half life of diazepam I don't need to take as much as I do and so it's really just about stabilising my dose before starting to lower it bit by bit. The problem I have is that I get stressed and think fuck it, I'll pop one under the tongue. Especially over the holidays with in laws and all that. But as I say, due to the half life I think that theoretically, over time, I could go from 30mg as my starting point and then start to half each tablet, cutting it in half (maybe cutting one tablet in half at a time and giving it a few days in between) until down to maybe one 10mg tablet a day, cut in two, one in the morning and one before bed. Due to the half life, I think it would take a while for the w/ds to kick in. But at the moment I think it's just about stabilising the dose and then slowly reducing. It's just hard to do but that's mostly psychological I think. I will look at tapering guides as well. Another problem is with the actual benzos. Generally I use bensedin and for the most part they are actually diazepam but a lot of people say they are underdosed so it's hard to know how much you're actually taking. You might take more than usual with a new batch if it has lower diazepam content. Really we need a programme similar to those for heroin/opioid addiction which has worked for me but they won't do it with benzos. Doctors will never give them out and the services that provide subutex etc aren't allowed, but they could help a lot of people by providing them and having a taper plan in place, especially with the nightmare caused by the street valium problem we have here.

Anyway it'd got something like: 30mg per day - cut one tablet so it's 25mg per day for a few days - cut a third tablet so it's 20mg a day but still three doses - cut one dose out so it would be one 5mg dose in the morning and one 5mg dose in the evening - down to 2.5mg, morning and night and try to go as low as possible this way, probably crushing the tablets and using powder and using scales to weigh doses as low as possible. Eventually stopping but keeping some on hand for seizures etc (probably alprazolam due to quick action) and spend a week or two going through it. How long to wait between cutting doses I'm not sure, but this is my rough plan. It'll take a while due to how long it stays in your blood but the lower in the bloodstream, the easier hopefully to withdraw with minimal side effects. I did cold turkey and had a seizure which was scary AF (worse than anything else, including being stabbed) and I've had a few in the past due to alcohol, but the weirdest part was the depersonalization and all that. It's like being on a drug in itself. But that was from chaotic use over time combined with booze and periodic heroin use.

You seem to be in the know about tapering, check out the benzobuddies forum, loads of valuable info. What you are currently doing is holding until you stabilise, and plan to cut and hold for a few days. I hope it works out you, like you said wd don't really kick in for a while with diazepam. IMO when you do start a cut and hold taper, try to hold for longer than a few days, when you do feel the WD from your last cut you will know when you can handle your next cut and when to cut down again. A general rule is reducing no more than 10% of your last dose every 2 weeks. Keep us updated. Remember low and slow, it's not a sprint but a marathon and you want to have a smooth landing.

 

[pharaoh]

You seem to be in the know about tapering, check out the benzobuddies forum, loads of valuable info. What you are currently doing is holding until you stabilise, and plan to cut and hold for a few days. I hope it works out you, like you said wd don't really kick in for a while with diazepam. IMO when you do start a cut and hold taper, try to hold for longer than a few days, when you do feel the WD from your last cut you will know when you can handle your next cut and when to cut down again. A general rule is reducing no more than 10% of your last dose every 2 weeks. Keep us updated. Remember low and slow, it's not a sprint but a marathon and you want to have a smooth landing.

Thanks mate, really appreciate the advice and kind words. Great people on this forum.

 

[elgoucho9]

Well as most know I no longer participate in Benzo use much these days. As they frequently led to me doing things like cocaine in the past. Or just reckless behavior in general.

However being in intense stomach pains since food poisoning myself since Friday. I ordered a box of Martin Dows roche on Saturday morning. Had these before. Lab tested diazepam. Pretty sure I posted the Wedinos results I had done last time I had them further back in this thread.

After being in intense pain since Friday. Had 40mg an hour ago. And the pains have calmed right down. Thank fucking god.

I've also read online for anyone suffering gastrointestinal pains. Or even ket cramps. Valium can be a god send apparently. Something I was personally unaware of.

Strangely due to the pain 40mg hasn't done much to me mentally. But my whole body/stomach is so much more relaxed which is a blessing.

Picture of the aformentioned product for reference. I believe these to be the best diaz currently on the market currently. Fuck the Bensedin after the Nitazene test results IMO.

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Also. Only ordered them Sat morning from my supplier. He shipped 8am and they arrived 9am this morning. Unreal service.

 

[elgoucho9]

Well despite being in pain has to be said I have a feeling the Dows too are now underdosed.

Dunno if its cos the immense levels of pain. But i've taken 20 x 10mg tabs today. And feel completely sober. Usually 50mg and i'd be drooling. Yes they have helped the stomsch pain but this seems like surely they must be 5mg or even less.

anyone else tried them recently to confirm it's not just me?

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Well despite being in pain has to be said I have a feeling the Dows too are now underdosed.

Dunno if its cos the immense levels of pain. But i've taken 20 x 10mg tabs today. And feel completely sober. Usually 50mg and i'd be drooling. Yes they have helped the stomsch pain but this seems like surely they must be 5mg or even less.

anyone else tried them recently to confirm it's not just me?

are they the exact same pale-blue colour as usual?

I ask that as I recently got a strip of Dows that are a much darker shade of blue than the ones I've had previously, and I've noticed on Wedinos that pretty much every diazepam pill that tests as not-diazepam is a darker blue shade. I'm gonna send for tests anyway