What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[vecktor]

It’s hard to emphasise what a phenomenal piece of work this was. .......​

that truly is really hard.

TLDR Australian researchers make meal of identifying positional isomer with NMR spin splitting and integrals, very basic stuff. Do they not teach how to identify benzene ortho meta para substitution patterns from IR anymore? maybe Mal can tell us.

 

[Rectify]

To the title ?:

Nothing!

 

[vash445]

that truly is really hard.

TLDR Australian researchers make meal of identifying positional isomer with NMR spin splitting and integrals, very basic stuff. Do they not teach how to identify benzene ortho meta para substitution patterns from IR anymore? maybe Mal can tell us.

Lovely to connect.

Vash

Wow, what an interesting piece of research! We're not getting much (if any) feedback from our community of MDMA users re: this phenomenon, so thank you for bringing it to our collective attention.

I have forwarded your email to Mal, I hope he is able to respond but I can't make any promises on his behalf.

All the best and I'll be sure to follow your bluelight thread / research.

Best,

Mitch Lamb
(he/him)
Administration and Communications Coordinator, CanTEST Peer Educator.
Canberra Alliance for Harm Minimisation & Advocacy (CAHMA) & The Connection
Phone: 0438 702 484
Shop 17 Churches Centre, 54 Benjamin Way, Belconnen ACT 2617 | GPO Box 46 Belconnen ACT 2616

So maybe we will know soon enough! At least it seems we are getting more eyes on this now!

 

[mauve]

What on earth are they doing to MDMA now

 

[vash445]

What on earth are they doing to MDMA now

Instead of using MAPA to make p2p they made the MD version of it

 

[mauve]

MDP2P?

 

[mauve]

Is safro becoming that scarce

 

[vash445]

Is safro becoming that scarce

I can get safrole from many many manufacturers in North America and other countries. It's still sold in Brazil willy nilly. Hell its sold on the world largest auction site at an inflated rate as well. I've subjected NMR safrole AND IT STILL MADE MEH MDMA that mdma had been subjected to NMR thus SAFROLE IS NOT the only issue... I'm tired of people bringing up safrole. No there are many suppliers that sell it 20-100 per kg. Probably made the dimmer MDDMA

The avg consumer won't find safrole this is on purpose . But if you dig I know 4-5 suppliers ready to sell NMR confirmed safrole oil either as safrole or under more cryptic names

Hell penta sold it 5 years ago. But there are still many other places offering it wholesale bulk to industry no questions asked.

The point is though the issue is not safrole vs other precoursers this much is certain

 

[someguyontheinternet]

I can get safrole from many many manufacturers in North America and other countries. It's still sold in Brazil willy nilly. Hell its sold on the world largest auction site at an inflated rate as well. I've subjected NMR safrole AND IT STILL MADE MEH MDMA that mdma had been subjected to NMR thus SAFROLE IS NOT the only issue... I'm tired of people bringing up safrole. No there are many suppliers that sell it 20-100 per kg. Probably made the dimmer MDDMA

The avg consumer won't find safrole this is on purpose . But if you dig I know 4-5 suppliers ready to sell NMR confirmed safrole oil either as safrole or under more cryptic names

Hell penta sold it 5 years ago. But there are still many other places offering it wholesale bulk to industry no questions asked.

The point is though the issue is not safrole vs other precoursers this much is certain

If you had a synth from safrole make mehDMA wouldn't that mean it's something in the process? What impurities were there in the end product?

MDDMA is available as a standard so shouldn't we be able to see it in samples?

MDDMA (hydrochloride) (CAS 74341-79-0)

An Analytical Reference Standard

www.caymanchem.com

 

[vash445]

If you had a synth from safrole make mehDMA wouldn't that mean it's something in the process? What impurities were there in the end product?

MDDMA is available as a standard so shouldn't we be able to see it in samples?

MDDMA (hydrochloride) (CAS 74341-79-0)

An Analytical Reference Standard

www.caymanchem.com

I believe it was detected in the meh mdma I sent to a friend. It's way back in this thread you are welcome to look. They still have to buy them as a reference standard and they ain't gonna pick up every one. They alreadly pickup over 30k.

Again this is only 1 batch of meh that was made from safrole that's all I can tell you that I know about it. Just because it is a standard doesn't mean they have it or think they don't need it..

Also MDDMA possibly COELUTES so even if they have it similar to fxe/can-ket . It can be EASILY missed is what is to be presumed mdma.i also might be mistaken it could have also been MDMMA (my mistake don't exactly remeber) which one is caused by excess methylamine. Eitherway the nmr is posted on that safrole batch it was one of the 3 of 4 we got to test along with a magic batch reguardless it's not the precourser. But the end product anyone is welcome to look back by typing NMR and my username.

Both samples at the time I believe went to energy control and university of Clemson both detected pure mdma. It wasn't until NMR was done that we noticed something

Another old MDMA batch tested with MDP2POL that's about all I remember

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Looking at MDDMA vs MDMA, it looks like MDMA more easily accepts a proton on the amine, I would think this would mean its possible to separate MDDMA from MDMA with some effort but I may be wrong

 

[vash445]

Looking at MDDMA vs MDMA, it looks like MDMA more easily accepts a proton on the amine, I would think this would mean its possible to separate MDDMA from MDMA with some effort but I may be wrong

I would think this would mean its possible to separate MDDMA from MDMA with some effort but I may be wrong...
These labs have 70+ samples they need to test... and another 70 more in the mail how much more you wanna test I understand lab error is a lab error but you can't expect them to spend 20 hrs on your sample for $100 or free let's be 100% real here.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Yea but the people making it can put in the effort
But I suppose this BS is because a reaction got too hot for too long so not sure we can count on them

 

[vash445]

Yea but the people making it can put in the effort
But I suppose this BS is because a reaction got too hot for too long so not sure we can count on them

Until WE collective say something is wrong nothing will change...

Wow, what an interesting piece of research! We're not getting much (if any) feedback from our community of MDMA users re: this phenomenon, so thank you for bringing it to our collective attention.

 

[vash445]

Yea but the people making it can put in the effort
But I suppose this BS is because a reaction got too hot for too long so not sure we can count on them

The truth is same been happening to METH, coke,ket, 4mmc etc.

The difference is at least we have some scientific backing including NMR which shows we are onto something more so then other drugs which is why CANTEST might help us vs the usual meh drugs suck now, no man you do too much.

Etc etc. .

At least we have a fair bit more research now including NMR of clean vs meh batch..

A known safrole batch that was meh and had a dirty NMR etc etc

 

[BananaJoe]

Real MDMA hydrochloride is out there. It's up to you to find it. I can't help ya, but hang tight and the legal stuff will be available eventually if you don't find it sooner.

It's 100% true. I was looking for sth special for a long time an I found it.
I have a supplier in the darker part of the inernet who sells something I remember from the old days. White, no smell, gives a great high. He also has MDA, which when added in small amounts to mdma, makes the fun even better.
I buy infrequently, I plan my purchases so before I run out of the previous batch I send a new one to energy control. The results are always maximum (and I have a written notice from the EC stating that they compare the samples sent with the freebase).

 

[Niro007]

There is already MGPA, which is the 4 phenylbutyrate, instead of the 2 phenylbutryate, so I assume there will be a MD version soon, as well as an ethyl version of MDMAPA if not already

Excuse my ignorance... Are these new compounds to make MDMA?

 

[mauve]

I'm very confused also, I always thought MDMA was made from safro

 

[unodelacosa]

Excuse my ignorance... Are these new compounds to make MDMA?

Yes, that's the current discussion.

I'm very confused also, I always thought MDMA was made from safro

Safrole (aka: 3,4-methylenedioxyallylbenzene) is still the primary starting precursor for clandestine production of MDP-2-P (aka: PMK), which is then reduced to MDx (usually MDMA, but it's also possible to make MDA, MDE, et al.). However, it is far from being the only chemical through which MDMA can be produced, some much easier and more efficient than others, but multiple ways still exist is the point as do multiple starting points. Because of the crackdown on sassafras oil and Safrole, clandestine manufacturers have sought and devised new methods to avoid unwanted scrutiny from law enforcement. New methods produce synthesis-specific side-products that LE analyze to reverse engineer the synthetic method used by the chemist to investigate who they might be, how they're producing the drug, where they're procuring their chemicals, and what new precursors need to be watched, controlled, and/or reported on by distributors.

So it's a game of cat & mouse… you know, pop goes the weasel & all that shiz.

 

[mauve]

Yes, that's the current discussion.


Safrole (aka: 3,4-methylenedioxyallylbenzene) is still the primary starting precursor for clandestine production of MDP-2-P (aka: PMK), which is then reduced to MDx (usually MDMA, but it's also possible to make MDA, MDE, et al.). However, it is far from being the only chemical through which MDMA can be produced, some much easier and more efficient than others, but multiple ways still exist is the point as do multiple starting points. Because of the crackdown on sassafras oil and Safrole, clandestine manufacturers have sought and devised new methods to avoid unwanted scrutiny from law enforcement. New methods produce synthesis-specific side-products that LE analyze to reverse engineer the synthetic method used by the chemist to investigate who they might be, how they're producing the drug, where they're procuring their chemicals, and what new precursors need to be watched, controlled, and/or reported on by distributors.

So it's a game of cat & mouse… you know, pop goes the weasel & all that shiz.

So in your opinion the quality of MDMA is better or worse using a precursor other than safro?

Was most MDMA in the 90s from safro? When did the new precursors enter scene?