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Ethnobotanicals Amanita gummies as a sedative/hypnotic & for benzo taper (underrated!?)

JackARoe said:
I know I certainly do not just from reading. I hear anything from they are just sedating and nothing like psilocybin. Then I hear they are a powerful psychedelic. But I respect a lot of your opinions. I just do not know how to approach it. For a good nights sleep or to see God. But these posts rekindled my interest.
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The only time they worked was D.C. A++ caps. I ate one large cap and a medium one. It was from bouncing bear botanicals back in the day. Other caps and extracts did nothing but mild dirty benzo buzz. Plus maybe nausea.
 
JackARoe said:
I hear anything from they are just sedating and nothing like psilocybin. Then I hear they are a powerful psychedelic.
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They are both those things.

Low doses cause sedating effects. High doses cause breakthrough trips much stronger than psilocybin, more on the level of DMT / 5-meo-DMT... The higher the dose, and the more you meditate, the "more" you breakthrough. It comes in waves. You can go in and out of it. The effects are stronger than DMT / ayahuasca. I'm not sure if I'd say stronger than 5-meo-DMT. I've only ever smoked bufo. I haven't eaten it with an MAOI (yet) so I will reserve the comparison until I have done so.

Mjäll said:
Have you tried combining amanita and psilocin mushrooms?
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Yes, that is the best combination I've come across. They work together well. I think my first true breakthrough was achieved with this combination.

Doctor Steve Brule said:
Epic! Like you chugged it or ate it slow?
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I ate my vomit with a spoon, like I was eating soup. It was an act of devotion to put me in the right headspace.

If I can't eat my vomit, the hell space (which is infinitely worse than eating vomit) is going to be difficult. That was the logic anyway. I was kind of crazy back then. Still am, I guess, because what I did still makes sense to me.
 
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@Snafu in the Void SO glad you having as good experience. muscimol/amanita are truly my favorite intoxicant atm.

ime the standardized extracts are not psychedelic, or psychedelic in mindset rather than body high, visual etc -- i am very much in tact even on a giant dose (have pushed this to triple digit muscimol with tolerance) --
although there is very much a tradition of intense psychedelic effects. what im beginning to see is that the raw mushrooms seem to be much more toxic, but also much more entheogenic. not something i want to go for as im
in it for the GABA effects and lil glutamate push now that i can handle it. BTW - love oral ibotenic acid with a properly healed gaba system. orally it's fine.

hmmm. maybe i do want to munch some raws :laugh:
 
JackARoe said:
I know I certainly do not just from reading. I hear anything from they are just sedating and nothing like psilocybin. Then I hear they are a powerful psychedelic. But I respect a lot of your opinions. I just do not know how to approach it. For a good nights sleep or to see God. But these posts rekindled my interest.
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That's because they can have a fairly wide range of effect depending on the dosage, your experience level, how they are prepared and where the mushroom was found and even mushroom to mushroom. Two amanitas growing right next to each other can have different effects. In my experience the Washington ones have a heavy, narcotic body high and take you deeper inwardly whereas the European varieties I've had have a lighter, brighter energy and are a bit more extraverted.

Amanitas are a bit like marijuana or kava in the sense they don't fit neatly into one single classification. They combine together a lot of the positive effects from other classes of substance. For example, they can have painkilling, narcotic, energizing, and psychedelic effects. Imagine if you had LSD that instead of just making you trip, also killed pain, allowed you to sleep deeply and didn't leave you drained the following day.

Another thing about amanita, they are known as "the infinite drug" because unlike LSD or shrooms where after the trip you're drained and you need like a week or more refractory period before you can trip again with amanita you don't really build tolerance. You can take it in a low dose every day if you want and it still works. Rather than "losing the magic" like you would with LSD if you took it frequently, I feel like taking a lot of low dose amanita actually helps you go deeper when you take a higher dose.
 
Doctor Steve Brule said:
The only time they worked was D.C. A++ caps. I ate one large cap and a medium one. It was from bouncing bear botanicals back in the day. Other caps and extracts did nothing but mild dirty benzo buzz. Plus maybe nausea.
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I recommend anyone interested in trying amanita to seek out the highest quality caps you can find. Ideally, you want to find them yourself in the wild but obviously that's not always possible especially if you are curious about trying them from different regions of the world (unless you have the money to travel a lot). But never get lessor quality ones because they're cheaper. I made that mistake one time and thought I'd save some money and bought a bunch of amanita shake and some low quality caps from an online vendor. The effects were horrible, bad stomach upset and overall dirty feeling. Think of them like weed, there is a huge difference between the effects of top shelf medical and Mexican brick weed. You'd be crazy to opt for the brick weed just to save a buck or two.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
@burn out what do you think gives amanitas from other regions different effects? Varying ratios of ibotenic acid or muscarine? Or something else?
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That could be part of it, as according to Amanita dreamer (she has a website dedicated to amanita information, very worth checking out btw) the ones in Europe tend to have more ibotenic acid. However she goes on to say that the ones she finds in Georgia tend to have more of the effects traditionally associated with ibotenic acid, despite containing less, so she suspects there is more going on. I feel like it it comes down to the the complex chemistry of each individual mushroom.

That's my experience with herbs in general. For example, I am a tea lover and I notice subtle differences between different teas and how they make me feel. Of course there is a difference between black, white, green and oolong but even two different white teas can feel noticeably different. I don't think this is all reduce-able to different caffeine l-theanine ratios, so there's always that element of mystery as to what exactly makes something what it is.
 
Thanks for the testimonials. The mushroom and its contents are more variable in some ways yet consistent in other ways. I may just actually be embarrassed that I am ignorant of their power.
 
Idk about regions but supposedly one picked during the warm part of the year and those during cold part of the year have different effects. People stating so were quite educated on topic so I believe there's at least some truth in that. Tho I can't confirm nor deny it as I only had ones picked during cold days.
 
So apparently this stuff is strong enough to completely negate benzo withdrawal? I took my last mini taper dose of bromazolam 80 hours ago, and have not felt any withdrawal at all. I went through 60mg over 2 months with daily dosing, I'm honestly kinda shocked. Zero anxiety, sleeping wonderfully. I've been taking 2 or 3 gummies per day.
 
60mg must not be enough to cause much withdrawal or rebound for you

I recall you mentioning getting kindling and rebound in the past
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Definitely was, I start feeling it after 14hr of no muscimol, but this stuff is strong enough to mask it. Also taking a lot of 7-OH.

I'm pretty impressed with muscimol.
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How is bromazolam anyways? Would you say it's less likely to cause blackouts compared to flualp?
 
Conky said:
How is bromazolam anyways? Would you say it's less likely to cause blackouts compared to flualp?
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It's pretty decent. Very strong muscle relaxation, good hypnotic. Not the strongest anxiolytic benzo, but overall one of the better RC benzos I've tried.

I never had any blackouts and don't even recall any amnesia either. I was dosing fairly conservatively. The most I ever took was around 4 or 5mg, but I already had a good amount of tolerance by then.

For whatever reason it seems to take forever to peak in effect, like 3 hours. Both oral and sublingual, didn't matter.

It did not produce any mania like other benzos can do to me, which was a huge plus.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
I'm pretty impressed with muscimol.
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It is the most underrated, underappreciated drug in the world.

I have a lot of love for Amanita Muscaria.

I'm going to get it tattooed on my back along with a Colorado River Toad.

Glad to hear it helped you, bro. <3

Benzo withdrawal is awful.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Anyways, I find this stuff the be remarkable as a sedative/hypnotic/anxiolytic at lower doses considering it's legal. It definitely tickles/releases dopamine as well. There is a very distinct, but subtle, euphoria it provides.
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They sound lovely and normally I'm not into mushrooms or acid as I get bad effects due to my anxiety disorder and mental health, it just doesn't suit my brain chemistry I don't think but them ones sound mild and might help my sleep, would be nice to sleep through the night for a change without waking up a few times but I can't complain too much as I no longer take pills

Back when I was addicted to sleeping pills and benzos, mainly valium I'd read up on fly agaric as sleep aid, I don't think I could find any in the UK though
 
Frog Dreams said:
@ageingpartyfiend

It feels like an infinite amount of time.

People say that about ayahuasca and 5-meo-DMT, etc... but Amanita Muscaria is another ballpark.

When I came back from the strongest breakthrough I've ever had, I had been gone for so long I didn't know what a human was. I was in my lounge room. I said very slowly, "I am a human being." Hard to describe, without it sounding like something less than it was. Was the most surreal thing I've ever experienced.

Until I had 5-meo-DMT, I was absolutely convinced that nothing would ever come close to Muscaria.

It is so overwhelming, it can be utterly terrifying.

The hell state is infinite fear. The heaven state is infinite joy. But, really, they are the same thing.

The hell state comes from rejecting God / death. The heaven state comes from accepting God / death.

You really think you're dying and you have to accept it. I'm pretty convinced that it simulates actual death.
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Have you tried Salvia Divinorum extract?

5 Meo-DMT seems about as scary as it. My experience with Salvia was absolutely terrifying, losing consiousness and then coming back while your head is still way out in the water. Egodeath.

Both are very short smokeable acting psychedelic's, I wonder which one takes the cake. What I understand they are not even alike. As Salvia is more of an dissociative.
 
@emkee_reinvented

I am currently in pursuit of iboga and salvia. Never tried either. Very interested in both.

I don't find 5-meo-DMT scary. I have had entirely positive experiences with it.
 
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