Stimulants Meth purity in the US over time, what's your experience? (Poll)

[Pissed_and_messed]

So have you been able to confirm it has n-iso? Gimme something solid please.

 

[drmethyl]

The large crystal size is an indicator, pure d meth is very difficult to form large crystals, however if they're suspending racemic powder in niso, then that's an indicator.

Niso easily forms large crystals

 

[JAGattack14]

The only factual test results I've seen say much different. Almost all meth in the Americas is coming out 97% Dextromethamphetamine or more. They have super labs and have perfected the entire process to remove the L isomer from their products. It's pretty insulting and in my eyes racist that so many think of cartel cooks as completely incapable of anything of this sort. Yeah maybe this is the only thing they can do but the cartels will bring in an expert to teach a group one specific method of chemistry then they deliver them almost pre measured batches of precursors to make it as simple as possible. The P2P method is very old not new. Most don't even realize it's been this way since the early 2000s. What we are seeing is meth toxicity from overdosing and possibly some exposure to more toxic byproducts of using the P2P method with a wide variety of methods to create P2P. One byproduct of meth cooking is thallium. Just small amounts of that can be toxic, tortures and even fatal. Thallium is also very much undetectable except for one super rare test specifically for this metal. Overdosing on potent and more pure Meth can be easily mistaken for bad dope or some crazy cut in the meth. It will also raise your tolerance so you skip right past any euphoric high and get all bad side effects and addiction. Also much more rapid psychosis. Many think sleep deprivation is the only cause of psychosis and that's so far from true. A single dose of meth can cause instant psychosis from way over flooding the brain with dopamine very much like someone with schizophrenia. Here's the factual average potency of meth as in Dextromethamphetamine being seized in the US every six months from 2012 to 2019.

Potency of methamphetamine U.S. by half-year 2012-2019| Statista

This statistic shows the percentage of methamphetamine potency in the U.S.

www.statista.com

 

[JAGattack14]

Yes, because it contains racemic methamphetamine, so will test positive for that. However, there is one test that this concoction can't fool: the melting point test.

Get a stainless steel digital thermometer from Harbor Freight or Autozone or whatever. They're like $5. Make sure they can measure past 200°C. Then put a bunch of your shit in a vial, using a double-boiler type setup, with some kind of oil in the outer container. Vegetable oil, mineral oil, motor oil, baby oil, whatever. Anyway, heat the oil, which will then heat the vial, and its contents will melt. Insert the thermometer, and make sure the vial contents are completely melted. Then remove the outer vessel (with hot oil in it) from the heat.

Everything will cool down very gradually. Watch the thermometer, and watch for crystals forming in the inner vial. As soon as a crystal forms, take note of the temperature. More and more crystals will form. If you have real meth, the temperature will hold during this process, at somewhere between 170°C and 175°C. The temperature will barely change during the crystallization. It might fall 1-2°C, due to minor impurities, but the less it changes temperature, the purer you can expect it to be.

But since that's not something that anyone has these days, you can probably expect crystals to start forming at maybe 160°C, and for the temperature to drop maybe 10°C before it's all solid. This proves that you have a mixture on your hands, not a pure substance. This is the best way to test this shit by far, since there's absolutely no room for interpretation.

The ghetto version of this is "crackback", where users watch how the molten salt solidifies. If it solidifies in a wave, starting from one or two points and radiating outward, that indicates purity. If it forms slushy crystals around the edges first, and leaves a liquid pool in the center that emits vapors as it solidifies, then that means you have a mixture, and not a pure substance.

This "crackback" nonsense is like reading tea leaves

People assume that "crackback" means looking at the patterns in the solidified substance. That's wrong. Actual "crackback" means observing how the molten salt transitions from liquid to solid as it cools. You have to watch it in real time. While it may not be scientific, per se, it's actually a pretty useful observation.

There are plenty of other observations that are useful for identifying it. This n-iso concoction crystallizes in plates, whereas real d-meth crystallizes in shards. So when crystals crack, they often have plate-like surfaces visible. This makes it pretty easy to recognize once you have some experience.

If this were a mixture, you could separate the components by recrystallization

Yeah, if the meth was d-meth. But since you have both isomers, that greatly impairs their ability to form crystals, so instead it gets incorporated into the n-iso crystals. Levo meth can form crystals with other levo meth, and dextro meth forms crystals with itself too. Think of them like those zigzag shape pieces in Tetris. One is a mirror image of the other, and if you got just one or the other, you could stack them easily. But if you have both coming at you, it's a lot harder to stack them in nice solid shapes. That's why it gets incorporated into n-iso crystals instead.

But meth chemists couldn't have figured all this out! They don't know a damn thing about crystal lattices!

They learn by trial and error, mostly. And all they would have had to do is try combining n-iso with racemic meth, and letting it crystallize.

You don't know anything about chemistry and used the wrong word somewhere, therefore this invalidates everything else you've said

I'm sorry you feel that way.

What do you mean, "organized"? Coming up with conspiracy theories like that is a sign you need to lay off the pipe.
Yes, meth users are known for being paranoid and coming up with crazy conspiracy theories, but they don't tend to all point in the same direction, and start at the same time. This shit began in full force at some point in early 2017, and has remained consistent ever since. Thousands of anecdotes scattered all over the internet, all describing the same symptoms starting at roughly the same time.

It's not crazy talk. It's real. And we need to start treating this problem with the appropriate level of seriousness, unless we want to keep funding these cartels that are poisoning people.

I've tried to provide the best harm-reduction information I possibly can, but there's so much misinformation out there that it can be hard to sort truth from nonsense. So it's really important that we take on this misinformation that keeps being spread about what's going on. They think you're stupid enough to believe their bullshit. Prove them wrong.

Please refer to my post and these links;

Purity of methamphetamine U.S. by half-year 2012-2019| Statista

This statistic shows the percentage of methamphetamine purity in the U.S.

www.statista.com

Potency of methamphetamine U.S. by half-year 2012-2019| Statista

This statistic shows the percentage of methamphetamine potency in the U.S.

www.statista.com

What everyone is experiencing is just meth toxicity from the most pure and potent Dextromethamphetamine around in years. Research toxicity and pure methamphetamine dosing.

 

[Skipperslilbuddy]

By all accounts according to the DEA meth has become increasingly more pure in the last 10 years in the US according to seizure analysis. However, this is a bit contradictory to both my experience and almost all of the anecdotal experiences I've seen from others on BL and elsewhere. I am curious what causes this disparity or what is going on.

Cartels have switched back to using the p2p method of synthesis (aka "biker meth"), which is notorious for impurities namely in the creation of large amounts of L-methamphetamine. This can, however, be removed from the product but this can only be done by advanced methods and equipment which is not something a smaller level chemist might do.

I think it's important to distinguish between what the DEA is seizing/testing, and what the end users are smoking, what the low level dealer is selling.

I am particularly looking for opinions from people who have used meth both in the past and recently. It would also be relevant to share what part of the country you are from.

If you are from Canada or Mexico your answer might be relevant as well, but I'm most interested in the US.

 

[Skipperslilbuddy]

Please refer to my post and these links;

Purity of methamphetamine U.S. by half-year 2012-2019| Statista

This statistic shows the percentage of methamphetamine purity in the U.S.

www.statista.com

Potency of methamphetamine U.S. by half-year 2012-2019| Statista

This statistic shows the percentage of methamphetamine potency in the U.S.

www.statista.com

What everyone is experiencing is just meth toxicity from the most pure and potent Dextromethamphetamine around in years. Research toxicity and pure methamphetamine dosing.

Please refer to my post and these links;

Purity of methamphetamine U.S. by half-year 2012-2019| Statista

This statistic shows the percentage of methamphetamine purity in the U.S.

www.statista.com

Potency of methamphetamine U.S. by half-year 2012-2019| Statista

This statistic shows the percentage of methamphetamine potency in the U.S.

www.statista.com

What everyone is experiencing is just meth toxicity from the most pure and potent Dextromethamphetamine around in years. Research toxicity and pure methamphetamine dosing.

The shit going around today doesn't hold a candle to what was available 10 years ago. And you are 100% right about the Crack back test. I remember years ago it would solidify in maybe 10 seconds. While the crap today can take as long as a 45-60 seconds. Another obvious indicator for the lack of quality is that for 20+ years when you smoked it out of a glass pipe, it didn't turn white. Today's crap turns the glass instantly white so you can't even see what's being smoked. But I will say this about what's being sold, it is as consistent as ever. No matter who you get it from is always the same. It's been at least 5 years that I've seen anything different. And just as long since I've had any that could keep me up all night. Worse yet, is that today's stuff doesn't have the same effect on a person's sex drive. And that's a tragedy.

 

[Derwerewulf]

It's not that it's stronger but it was a better high! I feel like if you aren't stuck looking at the computer screen and watching porn for at least 4 to 10 hours stuck in the chair or bed and blocking out everything else your family, friends, work, social life all that.. that's on pause and you're in you're own little porn paradise just wacking it getting that good forearm strength and by the end of it you look like popeye.. at least your right forearm does unless you switch hands lmaooo if that ain't happening after you smoke a few hits then today's meth is tainted and pure garbage and anything the media says I don't bother listening to because I know who the owners are and I don't care of those types of people personally.. I dislike liars and those people fucking lie like a mother fucker being forced to lie being held at gun point.

But anyways what was I saying.. oh yeah.. today's meth is garbage and wtf is wrong with the cartel? How do they not know how to make good dextromethamphetamine!? If that's the case they should quit now and just open up some taco shops in their area cuz at least they're good with Mexican food.. I mean for fucks sake wtf is going on with life? Everything sucks ass! Why even live!? I might call it quits for good pretty soon man! Too many changes and all for the worst!

A fuckin men

 

[Derwerewulf]

The shit going around today doesn't hold a candle to what was available 10 years ago. And you are 100% right about the Crack back test. I remember years ago it would solidify in maybe 10 seconds. While the crap today can take as long as a 45-60 seconds. Another obvious indicator for the lack of quality is that for 20+ years when you smoked it out of a glass pipe, it didn't turn white. Today's crap turns the glass instantly white so you can't even see what's being smoked. But I will say this about what's being sold, it is as consistent as ever. No matter who you get it from is always the same. It's been at least 5 years that I've seen anything different. And just as long since I've had any that could keep me up all night. Worse yet, is that today's stuff doesn't have the same effect on a person's sex drive. And that's a tragedy.

Ever consider that it's your body? And not the crystal? That's interesting though that old stuff didn't even cloud the pipe up. Never seen that i don't think. Unless you mean it just took longer to cloud up. I'm in San Diego. And I always thought being by the border made us a prime time town with the first pick of the fresh shit.


But maybe your sex drive isn't as pumped up... because your older and more accustomed to using crystal

when i first started a few years ago... me and my girlfriend were so fucking horny. We made some hot porn and started on pornhub. I want to share my page but don't want it biting me in the ass.

These days we still get horny. But not like then. Holy shit. If I were single I would've been a danger to the public almost. I'd probably be walking up to random women like ken kaniff "ohhh yeah girl you wanna put your leg on my shoulder and get yer guts rearranged in this portapoty?? Youre hot for bein homeless"

So no one depends on shake and bake redneck meth? Whole country gets the same shit I do? Even homeless people here have good shit from my standards. But I've never seen Midwest meth.

 

[S.J.B.]

By all accounts according to the DEA meth has become increasingly more pure in the last 10 years in the US according to seizure analysis. However, this is a bit contradictory to both my experience and almost all of the anecdotal experiences I've seen from others on BL and elsewhere. I am curious what causes this disparity or what is going on.

I think, if you took a random sample of long-term users of any drug, that on average, they would claim that the drugs aren't as good now as they were when they started using. I think this would hold even where the drugs actually became more pure. This could partially be attributed to human psychology (we are all prone to nostalgia), but also to the particular neurochemical adaptation which tends to dull one's drug-taking experience as one's drug taking career advances.

I remember the first time I took mephedrone. It was like being filled with electricity. It never felt like that again, even from the same batch. With MDMA, it was amazing for several months, until my life went downhill and it became only uncomfortable. Even years later, it never had the "magic" it had at the beginning, although it did for the more-novice experimenters among those I took it with.

 

[TheBookBurner]

I'm in Philadelphia and get my shit from >snip<. I've noticed a couple of odd things like the pipe turning white, but other than that I'm not seeing many of these negative things mentioned here.

- I've been using for 7 years straight, daily, with 12 years of daily Adderall use before that
- I get 14g every month and no matter how much I indulge, I always have at least a gram left by the time next month comes. I rotate between parachuting, smoking and hotrailing.
- I'd say 0.3 to 0.4 is enough to get me ripped.
- My sex drive is very much heightened (when I ejaculate it often blasts up over my shoulder as opposed to landing on my pelvic area when im not on speed.) The orgasm is so intense I get goosebumps and shudder and my eyes roll back.
-I can stay up for 2 or 3 days but then my body just clocks out. After doing amphetamines for so many years ice adapted in certain ways. Like I can have an appetite and be speeding my balks off simultaneously which is something I developed in the latter year's of my adderall use.
- My dope me it's clear like water, doesn't have much of a taste, takes about 7 to 10 seconds to solidify and never feels damp.
- My dope does have a very strong hair spray kind of smell when I break a shard, which every ice I've ever had smelled like to some degree.
-One funny thing I've noticed is that when it's melted, it doesn't roll around as one single puddle, it'll be like a small puddle and then droplets all around it. It also dries in a horizontal line more so than a puddle.
-It makes my eyes dilated, which garbage usually doesn't

 

[TheBookBurner]

Here's some crackback and the shards I get I get a half oz for free every month so I can't complain. I trade adderalls for 14g (cus some rich chicks buy em all off him for $>snip< a piece apparently.)

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[Jerry Atrick]

I'm in Philadelphia and get my shit from >snip<. I've noticed a couple of odd things like the pipe turning white, but other than that I'm not seeing many of these negative things mentioned here.

- I've been using for 7 years straight, daily, with 12 years of daily Adderall use before that
- I get 14g every month and no matter how much I indulge, I always have at least a gram left by the time next month comes. I rotate between parachuting, smoking and hotrailing.
- I'd say 0.3 to 0.4 is enough to get me ripped.
- My sex drive is very much heightened (when I ejaculate it often blasts up over my shoulder as opposed to landing on my pelvic area when im not on speed.) The orgasm is so intense I get goosebumps and shudder and my eyes roll back.
-I can stay up for 2 or 3 days but then my body just clocks out. After doing amphetamines for so many years ice adapted in certain ways. Like I can have an appetite and be speeding my balks off simultaneously which is something I developed in the latter year's of my adderall use.
- My dope me it's clear like water, doesn't have much of a taste, takes about 7 to 10 seconds to solidify and never feels damp.
- My dope does have a very strong hair spray kind of smell when I break a shard, which every ice I've ever had smelled like to some degree.
-One funny thing I've noticed is that when it's melted, it doesn't roll around as one single puddle, it'll be like a small puddle and then droplets all around it. It also dries in a horizontal line more so than a puddle.
-It makes my eyes dilated, which garbage usually doesn't

Please read the Posting Rules of this subforum linked here.

For your own safety, I've delete who you buy from.

 

[Jerry Atrick]

Here's some crackback and the shards I get I get a half oz for free every month so I can't complain. I trade adderalls for 14g (cus some rich chicks buy em all off him for $>snip< a piece apparently.)

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[deficiT]

Meth is cheap as all hell these days, but that doesn't make it any better

 

[KattyKorner]

By all accounts according to the DEA meth has become increasingly more pure in the last 10 years in the US according to seizure analysis. However, this is a bit contradictory to both my experience and almost all of the anecdotal experiences I've seen from others on BL and elsewhere. I am curious what causes this disparity or what is going on.

Cartels have switched back to using the p2p method of synthesis (aka "biker meth"), which is notorious for impurities namely in the creation of large amounts of L-methamphetamine. This can, however, be removed from the product but this can only be done by advanced methods and equipment which is not something a smaller level chemist might do.

I think it's important to distinguish between what the DEA is seizing/testing, and what the end users are smoking, what the low level dealer is selling.

I am particularly looking for opinions from people who have used meth both in the past and recently. It would also be relevant to share what part of the country you are from.

If you are from Canada or Mexico your answer might be relevant as well, but I'm most interested in the US.

The cartels definitely are not amateur cooks, and definitely remove at least some of the Levo Meth.

There was a large precursor bust in Mexico, I want to say in the mid 2010's, where metric tons of tartaric acid were seized. You would only use that to separate the enantiomers.

 

[AlsoTapered]

The large crystal size is an indicator, pure d meth is very difficult to form large crystals, however if they're suspending racemic powder in niso, then that's an indicator.

Niso easily forms large crystals

No - it's very easy, it's just slow. You can even produce large crystals of racemic methamphetamine. It's simply a matter of producing a saturated solution of the product and VERY SLOWLY cooling it.

It's the fact that it takes days to weeks of slow cooling that means people don't go to that much trouble. After all, it takes lots of assets (time, space, refrigeration equipment).

 

[qwertygina]

By all accounts according to the DEA meth has become increasingly more pure in the last 10 years in the US according to seizure analysis. However, this is a bit contradictory to both my experience and almost all of the anecdotal experiences I've seen from others on BL and elsewhere. I am curious what causes this disparity or what is going on.

Cartels have switched back to using the p2p method of synthesis (aka "biker meth"), which is notorious for impurities namely in the creation of large amounts of L-methamphetamine. This can, however, be removed from the product but this can only be done by advanced methods and equipment which is not something a smaller level chemist might do.

I think it's important to distinguish between what the DEA is seizing/testing, and what the end users are smoking, what the low level dealer is selling.

I am particularly looking for opinions from people who have used meth both in the past and recently. It would also be relevant to share what part of the country you are from.

If you are from Canada or Mexico your answer might be relevant as well, but I'm most interested in the US.

The DEA is most likely .....

Not sharing information that is completely accurate. ..
I'm not really keen on only getting the "facts" from any Gvmt entity.
To be really well informed is to have boots in the ground talking to the people that are using . It's not the same . The question of purity seams almost irrelevant at this point. What does matter is figuring out what's happening with meth so people can sort themselves out. Who cares what it's purity was in the 90's as opposed to now?
It is not the 90s anyore and it's a new substance.
That new substance has different properties dosages etc
It should be treated as such .
Same thing with Heroin to Fetty.
It's a totally different animal . Treat it like it is .
If everyone could come around and stop waxing on about the old dope they may better their overall experience

 

[TheBookBurner]

The reason I referenced DEA was because one of my connects that I was scoring from for the better part of 5 years got nabbed with 80 pounds in a multi-state operation and when they tested the dope as part of the case it came back 96-98% pure which matches my experience of how amazing it was. >snip<

 

[qwertygina]

I don't know what you guys are getting, but the last couple of batches I got were astounding. Any stronger would be deadly.

I mean 3 lil' puffs and I'm euphoric, energized, and feeling superhuman for over 24 hours. How much stronger do you need?

Where the hell you getting this stuff cuz there isn't any where I live

 

[Jerry Atrick]

Where the hell you getting this stuff cuz there isn't any where I live

I know you may not be completely serious here but I still have to say it: Please do not ask people where they get their substances. Thanks.