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I honestly just don't care. Honestly just don't care about a lot of things but especially this especially what people do in their bedroom at home I don't want to know and I don't care.

I think a lot of people just don't want it thrown in their face. Everybody remembers last year Florida was in the spotlight for their don't say gay bill. On its face yeah it sounds terrible but if you read the bill it's basically just barring school districts in Florida from promoting homosexual culture to kids. And I totally get that kids should be going to school to learn mathematics in history English literature. Just like I don't want my kids being indoctrinated by Christian Evangelist they don't want their kids to be indoctrinated into gay culture respect the parents wishes okay it's not that hard.

You can't force the rest of America to give a f*** about whether you call yourself a he or a she or they or them, honestly no one cares. Just like no one should care if I lay with a guy or a girl or a robot or a Pepsi machine. But I don't go marching up and down your streets demanding acceptance.

Everybody wants to be the victim, I'm sorry if you have experienced some kind of bias but wake up people it's everywhere get over it. Literally do whatever you want to make yourself happy but don't expect for one second that the rest of the country is going to throw you a party over it.

Then we got this other guy in here who has been molested only by gay men apparently he doesn't really see the difference between a homosexual and a pedophile but I'm not going to sit here and cry over it. I'm not going to judge him for whatever complex he's developed cuz obviously he's been through some s***. You just have to accept that some people will never accept you. And there's literally nothing you can do about it.

Live your life, love yourself, put your best foot forward, do the right thing , especially if no one is looking.

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Public figures calling for trans genocide? Jeez. Give me a fucking break.

You took three words out of context. The overall message of that post is positive.

@crazyhairman is right. Everybody is a victim. Trans people are victims. Supposedly "transphobic" people are victims. Kids are victims.

By saying "public figures" are calling for trans genocide, you're just proving him right. The fucking opposite is happening much more often. JK Rowling says a woman is a woman and people start burning her books.

On one side you've got these extreme nutters chopping up children's genitals and on the other side you've got Nazis. In the middle, most people are reasonable and rational.

@nepalnt21
Why are you so angry all the time? You're no different than the other side.

all attempts to discriminate are gone

Does that include all attempts to discriminate against people who don't approve of genital mutilation?

Realistically, we're not going to cure the world of racism anytime soon. I don't think it will ever happen.

We don't need a fantasy utopia in order to get over our tendency to paint ourselves as victims.
 
I honestly just don't care. Honestly just don't care about a lot of things but especially this especially what people do in their bedroom at home I don't want to know and I don't care.

I think a lot of people just don't want it thrown in their face. Everybody remembers last year Florida was in the spotlight for their don't say gay bill. On its face yeah it sounds terrible but if you read the bill it's basically just barring school districts in Florida from promoting homosexual culture to kids. And I totally get that kids should be going to school to learn mathematics in history English literature. Just like I don't want my kids being indoctrinated by Christian Evangelist they don't want their kids to be indoctrinated into gay culture respect the parents wishes okay it's not that hard.

You can't force the rest of America to give a f*** about whether you call yourself a he or a she or they or them, honestly no one cares. Just like no one should care if I lay with a guy or a girl or a robot or a Pepsi machine. But I don't go marching up and down your streets demanding acceptance.

Everybody wants to be the victim, I'm sorry if you have experienced some kind of bias but wake up people it's everywhere get over it. Literally do whatever you want to make yourself happy but don't expect for one second that the rest of the country is going to throw you a party over it.

Then we got this other guy in here who has been molested only by gay men apparently he doesn't really see the difference between a homosexual and a pedophile but I'm not going to sit here and cry over it. I'm not going to judge him for whatever complex he's developed cuz obviously he's been through some s***. You just have to accept that some people will never accept you. And there's literally nothing you can do about it.

Live your life, love yourself, put your best foot forward, do the right thing , especially if no one is looking.

✌️
it is like you don't accept that trans people don't accept that some people don't accept them.
 
arrall said:
Do you have any evidence for people of colour being more homophobic, or is this just more racism on your part?

I'm not going to go find links for you, but I have also heard this.

Homophobia is much worse in Indigenous Australian communities. I know that much. I think you do, too?

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Most bisexuals of either sex, gay men, and lesbian women have no desire to fuck, date, or G-d forbid marry someone trans.

This is also true from my experiences talking to gays and lesbians but not bisexuals.

Many gay and bisexual people I know are dating/have dated/have slept with someone who is trans.
I don't really know where you are getting this from, because again - you have no evidence beyond bullshit claims about "my xyz friend".


So, anecdotal evidence is okay if you present it, but not Priest?

If you're a gay man and you want to sleep with someone with a vagina, you're not a gay man.

Same goes for lesbians.

I'm bisexual and I'd happily fuck a trans woman. Very little interest in fucking a trans man, though.
 
Does that include all attempts to discriminate against people who don't approve of genital mutilation?

Realistically, we're not going to cure the world of racism anytime soon. I don't think it will ever happen.

We don't need a fantasy utopia in order to get over our tendency to paint ourselves as victims.
One can be... let's say cautious, or one could be more straight and in line with what one really thinks or is worrried about.
In my case I'm fed up with being "too cautious" as I see those defending the "Agenda" (whatever Agenda actually) are lately no cautious, rational or moderate at all. They are all over the board, that's exactly what they want, to create social unrest, polarization and violence, both physical, institutional and verbal. These conditions are optimal to install, from a supposedly "pacifying" perspective, a repressive world, a police state and a hyper-regulated society and where people are confronted (and therefore do not face the real evil).

This situation is easily verified in countries such as Spain, where policies of this type have reached truly grotesque points (which I have commented on elsewhere in BL).
While it may be based on fear, a certain negative response to these policies, there are fears that are fully justified. If you live in a high crime area it is logical that out of fear you would put a secure gate on your windows or buy a gun to defend yourself. That "fear" could actually save your life or that of your family.

Well, with policies like they could "take your children" (take away your custody) if the parents don't agree with the child's decision... we are getting into very dangerous situations, which could end very very badly. This has been approved somewhere recently (sorry, I can't remember where exactly).
Of course there must be red lines and this kind of policies show a direction that, at least for me, is quite clear: a child can choose anything about his sexuality, including removing his penis or testicles.

Once something like this is normalized, how long will it be before a child is allowed to "choose" to have sex with some "Tik-Tok" friend who gave him or her what Santa Claus couldn't the previous Christmas, and the parents would have no legal objection whatsoever?

It's pretty clear to me that that's the whole point (or at least an important factor) of all this.
 
Neuroborean said:
that's exactly what they want, to create social unrest, polarization and violence, both physical, institutional and verbal. These conditions are optimal to install, from a supposedly "pacifying" perspective, a repressive world, a police state and a hyper-regulated society and where people are confronted (and therefore do not face the real evil).

I agreed with the first part (and the last part, I think), but this^ is where I started to get a bit wary.

I reject massive conspiracies on principle because there are no examples of hundreds of thousands of people conspiring across the world to achieve what anyway?

I don't get it, why everything is a conspiracy.

A virus is a conspiracy. A vaccine is a conspiracy.

I realize I am the perfect sucker for conspiracies, but I like it that way.

It's better not to be the tinfoil hat guy, even if he's right. ;)
 
1. Only bisexuals just might be interested in fucking, dating, or G-d forbid marrying someone trans, but then many trans people insist that we have to identify as "pansexual" which is just another term for being bisexual use to avoid actually being out as bisexual, or worse 'queer' which has been and still is a slur towards LGB people. Gay men and women only want to have sex with the same sex, as they are homosexual and not bisexual at all. Those people can claim or pretend to be gay men or women all they want but if they have sex with trans people they are bisexual.
I'm bisexual, and have never had a trans person insist this towards me.
Neither has any other bi person I know.
Again, I don't know where you are getting this from.
If you can provide me with a reputable research survey of everyday people that backs up any of these claims, then I am happy to concede.
Until then, the onus is on you to prove your claims - and you are failing horribly at doing so.

A pretty large portion of gay men I've spoken with are also perfectly willing to fuck trans men.
Same goes for lesbians and trans women.
Having sex with trans people doesn't make you bi, because you are attracted to the same gender as your own.
To claim otherwise is to suggest that trans people are their biological sex rather than their preferred gender, which is delusional by both scientific and practical standards.

You seem to be struggling with this, so let me give you a little lesson.

Somebody who is attracted to people who look like this is attracted to men:
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Somebody who is attracted to people who look like this is attracted to women:
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I suspect that some combination of insecurities surrounding your sexuality, insecurities surrounding your masculinity, and delusional political brainwashing may be causing you to struggle with this concept.

Let’s first pretend that 98% of the people didn’t vote no there, which already disproves your claims about “most trans people.”

You are linking an obscure Twitter poll with 2000 votes to tell me to "get out more", and somehow using this to represent all trans people worldwide.
There are about 8 billion people in the world. There are hundreds of millions of LGBTQ+ people, and at least tens of millions of transgender people.
Twitter is a network of echo-chambers that fosters extreme political ideologies.
It is a site frequented by people who stay inside all day in their echo chambers, desperately avoiding dissenting opinions and spending far too much time on social media arguing with each other.
To be frank, it's an incredibly miserable and depressing place.

I could go find a poll from a white nationalist account with 2000 votes and purport that it is representative of the hundreds of millions of white people in the world.
But I don't think that I would exactly be doing so in good faith.
I hope that the absurdity of telling somebody to get out more and immediately following that with a screenshot from Twitter is not lost on you.

3. No it is not racism it is the truth. Someone else in this topic wrote about this.

Try going to any slum and dress in drag or act like your typical hyper-effeminate queen and see what happens. 😂
Not all "slums" are populated by people of colour, and most people of colour do not live in "slums".
Your saying otherwise is indeed racist.
Or better yet talk to non-white LGB people. My black gay friend who I have known since the early 1980s before he was out, has told me how he has experienced more homophobia, racism, and hate not from white people or white LGB and heterosexual people, but from other black heterosexual people, from heterosexual and LGB Latinos, and from heterosexual and LGB south and East Asians.
That is one individual's experience from 40 years ago, not a poll in the modern world.
Whether or not the "friends" you pull out of your ass with every post are imaginary or not, they are probably not representative of the 8 billion people on this planet.
Why are you completely dismissing and invalidating my black gay friend's life experiences? That is racist and homophobic.
I think that the ridiculousness of you accusing me of "dismissing and invalidating" an experience I had not even heard is probably not lost on you.
It's pretty clear from your constant references to the 70s and 80s that you peaked many decades ago.

Give me some data to back up a single one of your claims here, or please shut up and go find something better to do than spend hours per day spouting racist and transphobic shit on a drug forum.

I look forward to you either ignoring all of my points in this post or failing to respond entirely, as you generally do when myself, @alasdairm, or anyone else on this site debunks your ridiculous, delusional, insecure, petty, bigoted, lunatic, and disgusting ramblings.

EDIT: Also, I just realized that 98% of people voted NO on that thread.
The only person I have ever met who believes that the term bi should be changed is a pansexual cisgender woman, and all of the trans people in our friend group disagree with her.
 
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All of what are now Germany, Poland, Austria, the German regions of France or Alsace/Lorraine/Saarland, Northern German Switzerland, Czech Republic, and Slovakia were not all super open like this. It was only like this in Berlin in a tiny city block radius and confined and accepted by upper classes, and aristocracy. Not the middle class or working class.

In the rest of Central and Central-Eastern Europe most homosexual, bisexual, lesbians, and drag queens were not out, deeply closeted, and kept their sexuality extremely private. In some of these countries it is still like this today.

Not to mention the fact that at the height of Weimar “decadence”,1928, the Nazis captured like 3 percent of the vote. So insinuating that Hitler came to power because of Berlin’s sex scene is pretty off-base imo

Magnus Hirschfeld was actually a pretty guy, he had a very extensive library which was one of the first things the Nazis burned
 
I agreed with the first part (and the last part, I think), but this^ is where I started to get a bit wary.

I reject massive conspiracies on principle because there are no examples of hundreds of thousands of people conspiring across the world to achieve what anyway?

I don't get it, why everything is a conspiracy.

A virus is a conspiracy. A vaccine is a conspiracy.

I realize I am the perfect sucker for conspiracies, but I like it that way.

It's better not to be the tinfoil hat guy, even if he's right. ;)
"Everything" is a conspiracy for a simple reason: once you have the control over the economy/politics, is much easier to "conspirate" against democracy than to help democracy to develop.
 
I honestly just don't care. Honestly just don't care about a lot of things but especially this especially what people do in their bedroom at home I don't want to know and I don't care.

I think a lot of people just don't want it thrown in their face. Everybody remembers last year Florida was in the spotlight for their don't say gay bill. On its face yeah it sounds terrible but if you read the bill it's basically just barring school districts in Florida from promoting homosexual culture to kids. And I totally get that kids should be going to school to learn mathematics in history English literature. Just like I don't want my kids being indoctrinated by Christian Evangelist they don't want their kids to be indoctrinated into gay culture respect the parents wishes okay it's not that hard.

You can't force the rest of America to give a f*** about whether you call yourself a he or a she or they or them, honestly no one cares. Just like no one should care if I lay with a guy or a girl or a robot or a Pepsi machine. But I don't go marching up and down your streets demanding acceptance.

Everybody wants to be the victim, I'm sorry if you have experienced some kind of bias but wake up people it's everywhere get over it. Literally do whatever you want to make yourself happy but don't expect for one second that the rest of the country is going to throw you a party over it.

Then we got this other guy in here who has been molested only by gay men apparently he doesn't really see the difference between a homosexual and a pedophile but I'm not going to sit here and cry over it. I'm not going to judge him for whatever complex he's developed cuz obviously he's been through some s***. You just have to accept that some people will never accept you. And there's literally nothing you can do about it.

Live your life, love yourself, put your best foot forward, do the right thing , especially if no one is looking.

✌️
Well said. I wrote before on here how all religion and religious symbols such as the headscarves, head coverings that Jews, some Muslim men and many Muslim women, and Sikhs wear, as well as super large crosses and visible religious tattoos should be banned from being publically worn in schools, in court, in government offices, etc.

Someone's religion is meant to be private not public and it is nobody's business.

If parents want their children or teens or as adults to wear religious symbols or clothing they can enroll their children at a private religious school or attend a religious university.
 
@PriestTheyCalledHim While you continue to ignore my post and those of others who disprove your disgusting & bigoted ramblings, I looked into the poll you posted.
Not only does the 98% no vote heavily disprove your claim that trans people want to erase the term bisexual, but that poll was also posted by a right-wing troll account.

I found this on Reddit with a 10 second Google Search:
In simple terms. Unbiased Katie, Feminists Against Trolls (note the acronym FAT), Journalist Excellence WorldWide (JEW) and a bunch of other accounts are all part of the same loosely associated alt-right troll group. Many of these accounts have since been banned or renamed, but new ones pop up every so often. Their general theme is pretending to be insane leftists (or LGBTQ or Jewish, or feminists or whatever their target du jour is).

Fairly often, their posts get screengrabbed, anonymized and are then spread by fellow right wingers as evidence that the left or SJW's are insane, unaware that they fell for their own attempts at satire.
 
If sticking your dick in a vaginal is gay now, there is no gay anymore.

Trans movement is deleting the traditional definitions of woman and man and gay and straight and replacing them with something undefined that clearly doesn't make sense.

If genitals are irrelevant, you're not gay/lesbian... you're bisexual/pansexual.

Gay men don't eat pussy and lesbians dont suck cock last time I checked.

Pretending the trans thing makes sense is like pretending that 3=4. Everything ceases to make sense. All numbers lose meaning.

@arrall

I dont get the point of your photos.

1. Most trans people dont look like that. The vast majority of trans people are obviously trans people.

2. It doesnt matter if someone does a convincing impersonation of the opposite gender. A penis is a penis. Tits dont change that. A six pack doesn't change it either.
 
You have to become sentient, and realize you are indoctrinated at some point. Hopefully ur just young.
and yet you hardly ever seem to be able to substantially back up what you say, maybe i'm getting you mixed up with @Las Veghost grower but at least i was able to substantiate my claims of public figures, including politicians, calling for genocide.

Public figures calling for trans genocide? Jeez. Give me a fucking break.
yyyyep, maybe once that stops happening people can "get over it".

By saying "public figures" are calling for trans genocide, you're just proving him right. The fucking opposite is happening much more often. JK Rowling says a woman is a woman and people start burning her books.
it's not "calling for genocide" to ask her to stay in her castle and maybe chill on picking juvenile fights with trans people on twitter

Does that include all attempts to discriminate against people who don't approve of genital mutilation?
you mean intactivists?
 
and yet you hardly ever seem to be able to substantially back up what you say, maybe i'm getting you mixed up with @Las Veghost grower but at least i was able to substantiate my claims of public figures, including politicians, calling for genocide.


yyyyep, maybe once that stops happening people can "get over it".


it's not "calling for genocide" to ask her to stay in her castle and maybe chill on picking juvenile fights with trans people on twitter


you mean intactivists?
You guys don’t substantiate shit, all you guys ever do is post an article from some left wing media site, never even question how/where the data came from
 
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