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Wait, did someone say there were no Trans people at Stonewall?? Didn’t it start by trans people resisting arrest? Marsha P. Johnson at the helm?
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That is not what really happened and I am hardly the first to say this. I know or was personal friends with (when they were still alive) multiple gay and bisexual men and women who were actually at the Stonewall demonstrations. They all have told me how trans people were not there, not involved, and Malcolm and Sylvia Rivera were not there and were disliked as they were usually strung out on heroin, loved to gossip and start fights, and constantly looking for tricks or people to rob.
Pay attention. That is a myth. Malcolm/Marsha was not there, did not start anything, and he was a gay transvestite/drag queen hooker. Sylvia was not there either. Sylvia and her pimp would brag about robbing and bashing or beating up gay and bisexual men.
Trans people were not at or involved in the Stonewall demonstrations, and did not start anything and were and still are extremely bigoted and hateful towards gay men, lesbians, bisexual men and women, and pretty much anyone who is not trans or not a coddling nutty TRA (trans rights ackkktivist) who does not agree with children and teens or mentally ill adults being manipulated and forced to identify as trans, start cross dressing, take hormones, and have irreversible sex change surgeries.
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I haven’t read up on Stonewall at all really, just little snippets here and there, and remembering pieces of conversations that came up back in the day, through the haze of ganja smoke and drinks. I’m inspired to do some, though-the bibliophile in me just creamed. 
I’m saddened by your disdain it seems-regarding activism and the transgendered/queer space. And even if all is true about MPJ, she still holds a vital position/legacy in the progression of LGBTQ rights and voice.
I’m saddened by your disdain it seems-regarding activism and the transgendered/queer space. And even if all is true about MPJ, she still holds a vital position/legacy in the progression of LGBTQ rights and voice.
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All of what are now Germany, Poland, Austria, the German regions of France or Alsace/Lorraine/Saarland, Northern German Switzerland, Czech Republic, and Slovakia were not all super open like this. It was only like this in Berlin in a tiny city block radius and confined and accepted by upper classes, and aristocracy. Not the middle class or working class.Memory holed articles that were made before the cultural revolution really took hold are something I have been interested in. It’s hard to find the reality of what took place in this era.But it’s so hard to find unbiased sources on this topic.
In the rest of Central and Central-Eastern Europe most homosexual, bisexual, lesbians, and drag queens were not out, deeply closeted, and kept their sexuality extremely private. In some of these countries it is still like this today.
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Malcolm/Marsha was not like that at all.I haven’t read up on Stonewall at all really, just little snippets here and there, and remembering pieces of conversations that came up back in the day, through the haze of ganja smoke and drinks. I’m inspired to do some, though-the bibliophile in me just creamed.
I’m saddened by your disdain it seems-regarding activism and the transgendered/queer space. And even if all is true about MPJ, she still holds a vital position/legacy in the progression of LGBTQ rights and voice.
Marsha/Malcolm wasn’t trans. Like most drag queens he would dress in drag on ocassion for fun. The people I know that were in his/her circle said she/he could change on a dime— happy one minute, scary, crazy, violent, and aggressive the next, that he was schizophrenic, and an unpredictable person.
It is not disdain it is telling the truth about what really actually happened, as trans and TRAs are revising and creating false history full of their lies and agenda.
FYI, 'Queer' was and still is a slur for gay and bisexual men and women it is usually one of the first slurs we hear and for those who get bashed or killed it is what we get called.
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Chills. I just heard/envisioned a redneck stomping on someone’s head saying “Fuckin Queer.” Full body shook-I could cry.
arrall
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@PriestTheyCalledHim The fact that you are basing this off of “friends” (who probably don’t exist, as per usual with your posts) rather than providing us with any actual links or evidence speaks volumes.
Las Veghost grower
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Ya know what…I was very open and accepting to trans people up until about a year ago…now I don’t want those gender bending freaks near me or my kid…maybe that’s me being brainwashed by the news or whatever, but that’s just how I’m starting to feel
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I did provide proof. Marcus/Marsha and Sylvia both said in interviews that they did not start the Stonewall demonstrations, and were not there.
You can play the denial game all that you want, but that does not change the fact that I have or had (some are deceased rest in peace) multiple bisexual and gay friends who were actually there at the demonstrations. I am not going to write their names on a public drug website for you and other trolls living in your mom's basement to harass and doxxx, or tell them 'oh you are just lying you were never really there at the Stonewall demonstrations as a TRA(trans rights ackkktivist) I would know best!'
Droppersneck
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It’s bc the establishment has made them their sacred cow. And trains know how to work the limelight given to them. Also they are trying to push this creepy stuff on children. It’s a multi faceted thing, but it’s important not to hate the individual. I’ve got a few really cool trans people I work with.
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Dude, everyone, even people within the LGB community and larger society in most of the world feels the exact same way about trans people who are pushing for this, nutty Trans, Ackkktivists, etc. Trans are the new 'drag queens' of the REEEing 20s.
It was buried in this topic or another one but I was once alright with trans people when they were only perhaps 1-2 adults out of millions, who were over 30 who had lived most of their lives as the sex/gender they are born and are biologically deciding by their own personal choice after many decades of psychotherapy to take hormones, get elective cosmetic surgery, and get a sex change operation. Children, teens, and mentally ill young adults in their 20s were not given hormones or irreversible sex change surgeries.
I don't support children, teens, or mentally ill adults in their 20s being gaslighted, manipulated, and told that they are trans by therapists, teachers, "gender specialists" and given hormones and having a sex change surgery, or the new anti-medicine junk science of transgenderism such as "Transmen are men and always have been!" Or "Transwomen are women! OMG there is a GENOCIDE of trans people!!1"
The way leftists/neoleftists are obsessed with drag queens and taking children to drag shows, drag/TV/CD/tranny bars and clubs, or having a drag queen in a library tell dirty jokes, sing songs about sex and read stories to children is super weird, and it is grooming.
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Do you have any links of that?
Even if they did not start the Stonewall demonstrations, what does that have to do with them being included in the LGBTQ+ community alongside gay and bisexual people?
How so?
I haven't seen any evidence of that, and significant evidence to the contrary.
Droppersneck
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You are purposefully blind. Protecting drag queen story hour like it’s the most important thing ever. And hundreds of millions in propaganda to keep gender ideology books in curriculums. My question is always why, but I won’t pretend to truly know.
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Exactly. I even posted actual interviews where Marcus/Marsha and Sylvia said they were never at the Stonewall demonstrations and did not start anything. She/he/they just went into their gaslighting, denial, and deflect mode and claimed that personal bisexual and gay friends who were actually there at the time have to be made up, are lying, were not really there, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if she/he/they just deny it yet again, or claim it was fine for Marcus/Marsha and Sylvia to be tranny hookers, and no they were not seen as important, as ackkktivists within the so called LGB "community" in the larger society/Western world both in the 1970s-early 2000s and the revisionist leftist propaganda is not going to change the truth.
To answer her/his/their queries:
1. Bisexual men and women, gay men, and lesbian women even those who are into drag are not transgender/transsexual, have nothing in common with transsexual/transgender people, and we do not like how many trans people and nutty Trans ackkktivists are extremely homophobic/biphobic and say how we should not call ourselves bisexual, gay/homosexual, or lesbian for the gay ladies but now need to use the homophobic/biphobic slur 'queer' or 'pansexual'. I have even heard and read trans/TRAs say how if someone identifies or is out as bisexual, gay, or lesbian that they are 'transphobic' which is BS.
2. Most bisexuals of either sex, gay men, and lesbian women have no desire to fuck, date, or G-d forbid marry someone trans. Trans/TRAs say how merely accepting mentally stable adults who transition after 30, after decades of living as the sex/gender they are biologically and genetically and always will be, and take hormones and have a sex change surgery by their own choice as adults is not enough and that bis, gays, and heteros must fuck, date, or marry trans people when sorry there is no desire there and it is never going to happen.
3. The vast majority of Bisexual, and gay men and women do not like or support all of the garbage leftist newspeak realpolitik propaganda that children and teens are being exposed to. Notice how the trans and black movements are now trying to be intertwined or linked? This is to further the Socialist/Marxist/communist agenda. I hope they like eating kasha in solitary. People are not stupid and know exactly what is happening, especially people who once lived in or escaped Communist/Socialist/Marxism for the West. The poorly kept secret is that in reality many black and POC are extremely homophobic/biphobic and really do not like other blacks or Latinos who are bisexual or gay, and they really hate the hyper-effeminate and drag queens of their own race. It is not like this with white/European people but we invented equal rights, LGB rights, human rights, etc. Of course I would not be surprised if someone or certain people deny all of this but that is typical. If it was not your time before the internet, the technocratic leftist companies, social media, and you get all of your 'news' and 'history' from Tumblr, Twitter, Facebook, mainstream leftist TV/print media, etc.
Making Gay History | LGBTQ Oral Histories from the Archive – Season 2: Episode 1: Marsha P. Johnson and Randy Wicker – 16:54
Meet Marsha P. Johnson and Randy Wicker—two very different heroes of the early LGBT civil rights movement. Marsha was a Street Transvestite Action Revolutionary. Randy led the first gay demonstration in 1964 in coat and tie.Visit our episode webpage for background information, archival photos...
play.radiopublic.com
arrall
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Drag Queen Story Hour has nothing to do with trans people.
Drag queens aren't trans, they are gay men in women's clothing.
arrall
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I have never met any trans person who says this, and I count several amongst my friends.
Most of the non-heterosexual trans people I know call THEMSELVES bi/gay/lesbian.
Many gay and bisexual people I know are dating/have dated/have slept with someone who is trans.
I don't really know where you are getting this from, because again - you have no evidence beyond bullshit claims about "my xyz friend".
Do you have any evidence for people of colour being more homophobic, or is this just more racism on your part?
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Is there anything that trans people do not try to make all about themselves?
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1. Only bisexuals just might be interested in fucking, dating, or G-d forbid marrying someone trans, but then many trans people insist that we have to identify as "pansexual" which is just another term for being bisexual use to avoid actually being out as bisexual, or worse 'queer' which has been and still is a slur towards LGB people. Gay men and women only want to have sex with the same sex, as they are homosexual and not bisexual at all. Those people can claim or pretend to be gay men or women all they want but if they have sex with trans people they are bisexual.
2. You need to get out more.
3. No it is not racism it is the truth. Someone else in this topic wrote about this.
Try going to any slum and dress in drag or act like your typical hyper-effeminate queen and see what happens.
Or better yet talk to non-white LGB people. My black gay friend who I have known since the early 1980s before he was out, has told me how he has experienced more homophobia, racism, and hate not from white people or white LGB and heterosexual people, but from other black heterosexual people, from heterosexual and LGB Latinos, and from heterosexual and LGB south and East Asians.
Why are you completely dismissing and invalidating my black gay friend's life experiences? That is racist and homophobic.
Yes as a European who is bisexual and who has been out for decades I have experienced all types of homophobia, biphobic, and yes even racism from black and even south Asian people. I ignored it and paid it no mind.
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envy is just your regular emotion, they even feel guilty about it which is sign of healthy attitude.
I am highly empathetic of people who do not start off in this world from horizontal level to others, I can not fathom how hard it is (well, I have my disadvantages too, apples and oranges)
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