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Anxiety - UK Doctors Will Prescribe ANYTHING BUT Anti-Anxiety Meds

ChemicallyEnhanced

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Anyone else endlessly frustrated by this?

I know, if it's a new diagnoses and you have very intense anxiety you get get low-dose diazepam for (either 2 weeks or 3) but that's it. And even that is super-rare.

They'll give you SSRI's, Tricyclics, Anti-Histamines, Anti-Psychotics...ANYthing except the very effective meds that are actually designed for anxiety that we have :/

My friend has M.S. and gets prescribed 80mg of diazepam a day. Now, I don't in any way begrudge my friend these, which he gets for painful muscle cramps in his back...but I can't even get like 5mg 2 or 3 times a day for panic attacks, NOTHING.

But the doctors that will not prescribe any benzos are more than happy to give me dangerous anti-psychotics. At one point they had me on 800mg Quetiapine a day. People with severe Schizophrenia and out of control Mania are prescribed that, or less, sometimes. Besides the side-effects it's known for, it made my blood sugar 6 times higher than the maximum normal range so much that I was mis-diagnosed as an insulin-dependant diabetic....they really think that is a safer alternative to a light benzo?
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Anyone else endlessly frustrated by this?

I know, if it's a new diagnoses and you have very intense anxiety you get get low-dose diazepam for (either 2 weeks or 3) but that's it. And even that is super-rare.

They'll give you SSRI's, Tricyclics, Anti-Histamines, Anti-Psychotics...ANYthing except the very effective meds that are actually designed for anxiety that we have :/

My friend has M.S. and gets prescribed 80mg of diazepam a day. Now, I don't in any way begrudge my friend these, which he gets for painful muscle cramps in his back...but I can't even get like 5mg 2 or 3 times a day for panic attacks, NOTHING.

But the doctors that will not prescribe any benzos are more than happy to give me dangerous anti-psychotics. At one point they had me on 800mg Quetiapine a day. People with severe Schizophrenia and out of control Mania are prescribed that, or less, sometimes. Besides the side-effects it's known for, it made my blood sugar 6 times higher than the maximum normal range so much that I was mis-diagnosed as an insulin-dependant diabetic....they really think that is a safer alternative to a light benzo?
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holy shit with that much seroquel i’d weigh 400 pounds and never get out of bed. bless your heart man. i’m stateside and basically i got lucky seeing a psychiatrist who was more than happy to prescribe narcotics - doctors i never got anywhere with but if your psychiatrist’s over there can prescribe medication, i’d go see one and see if you can get in with one mate!
 
It may have changed now, but back when I was being bounced around different SSRIs it was GPs who made the decisions without consulting with a psychiatrist, while the Diazepam and Quetiapine prescrips I got were both decided by consultants. SSRIs of course can be as difficult to quit and have the potential for side effects as Benzos or painkillers. And even an NHS pain consultant I saw refused to prescribe any painkillers

The pendulum seems to have swung too far to the 'better safe than sorry' end with the NHS now

btw I can't believe you could take 800mg of Quetiapine a day! When I take any more than around 75-100mg it usually has an unpleasant dissociative feeling
 
The reason benzos don’t work long term for anxiety is because they don’t actual address the cause of anxiety. They just address the symptoms. Long term benzo use only causes tolerance and dependence and then you’re in a world of pain having to come off them because they will stop working.

Therapy will always trump any medication when it comes to anxiety and I know people hate hearing this but it’s worth a try.
 
The only way to get a benzo prescription in the UK is to show up in A&E exaggerating alcohol withdrawals if you can fake a seizure kudos you may get a week's worth

Antidepressants are far to easy to get hold of is absolutely disgusting because the withdrawals is just as bad if not worse sometimes from benzos so I don't really understand how they are a safer alternative at all

Oh and let's not go down the painkillers route. I think you may have to present yourself as headless to even be eligible for an opioid class painkillers
 
Find the right doc and go private..valium o a private script goes on note paper not a NHS script.
 
They dont like it up em - they are terrified of being thought of as another Dr Shipman
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Anyone else endlessly frustrated by this?

I know, if it's a new diagnoses and you have very intense anxiety you get get low-dose diazepam for (either 2 weeks or 3) but that's it. And even that is super-rare.

They'll give you SSRI's, Tricyclics, Anti-Histamines, Anti-Psychotics...ANYthing except the very effective meds that are actually designed for anxiety that we have :/

My friend has M.S. and gets prescribed 80mg of diazepam a day. Now, I don't in any way begrudge my friend these, which he gets for painful muscle cramps in his back...but I can't even get like 5mg 2 or 3 times a day for panic attacks, NOTHING.

But the doctors that will not prescribe any benzos are more than happy to give me dangerous anti-psychotics. At one point they had me on 800mg Quetiapine a day. People with severe Schizophrenia and out of control Mania are prescribed that, or less, sometimes. Besides the side-effects it's known for, it made my blood sugar 6 times higher than the maximum normal range so much that I was mis-diagnosed as an insulin-dependant diabetic....they really think that is a safer alternative to a light benzo?
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Damn that is a LOT of Diazepam, you'd think they'd just be put on Lyrica or something, that honestly seems safer than that much of a benzo.
I'm guessing stuff like Gabapentin and the likes are also hard to get? Not that Gabapentin works particularly well unless used as needed as tolerance goes up fast, but if that were all you could get, I'd probably give it a shot. Even taking it in general and not feeling the high, it does its job pretty well for a while. Took me around a year of taking 600mg a day for me to really stop feeling any bit of a high.
 
I don't know what present day prescribing practices are like in the US but it used to be easy in the US. I got 90 2mg Xanax, methadone 120 methadone 10mg and 120 percs 30mg All without even an MRI. All I gave the doc was a methadone clinic paper and it's illegal from for private docs to maintain addicts. Its funny that I later worked the oxy out of him because he already knew id been to the clinic but such were the times back when Florida had all the pill mills.
 
It's not super easy in the US, I guess it depends where you live. I can only get 45 5mg Diazepam every 2 weeks and there's never any re-fills. My GP wants to pull me off cold turkey because he's a dumbass and thinks the long half life will mean no withdrawals. Wants me to do the same with Gabapentin as well, but I'm refusing and will continue to until he realizes this is a horrible idea.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Anyone else endlessly frustrated by this?

I know, if it's a new diagnoses and you have very intense anxiety you get get low-dose diazepam for (either 2 weeks or 3) but that's it. And even that is super-rare.

They'll give you SSRI's, Tricyclics, Anti-Histamines, Anti-Psychotics...ANYthing except the very effective meds that are actually designed for anxiety that we have :/

My friend has M.S. and gets prescribed 80mg of diazepam a day. Now, I don't in any way begrudge my friend these, which he gets for painful muscle cramps in his back...but I can't even get like 5mg 2 or 3 times a day for panic attacks, NOTHING.

But the doctors that will not prescribe any benzos are more than happy to give me dangerous anti-psychotics. At one point they had me on 800mg Quetiapine a day. People with severe Schizophrenia and out of control Mania are prescribed that, or less, sometimes. Besides the side-effects it's known for, it made my blood sugar 6 times higher than the maximum normal range so much that I was mis-diagnosed as an insulin-dependant diabetic....they really think that is a safer alternative to a light benzo?
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I once went to the doc in London because I was the grip of a sleep deprivation/amphetamine psychosis for days

Obv I didn't tell the doc this, just that I simply couldn't sleep and felt I was going nuts

It yielded a months script of 10mg temazepam which I ate 15 of instantly and found relief

Anyhow, benzos are not a solution for anxiety and will just make it worse long term
 
I've no problem getting the occasional month of benzos in the past "for my nerves" but you need to be charming and appear straight.

Giving some young bloke benzos - they're liable to get hooked and then turn round on you to another doctor and say "I don't know why he prescribed them I'm hooked now". That's what people are like nowadays.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
Anyone else endlessly frustrated by this?

I know, if it's a new diagnoses and you have very intense anxiety you get get low-dose diazepam for (either 2 weeks or 3) but that's it. And even that is super-rare.

They'll give you SSRI's, Tricyclics, Anti-Histamines, Anti-Psychotics...ANYthing except the very effective meds that are actually designed for anxiety that we have :/

My friend has M.S. and gets prescribed 80mg of diazepam a day. Now, I don't in any way begrudge my friend these, which he gets for painful muscle cramps in his back...but I can't even get like 5mg 2 or 3 times a day for panic attacks, NOTHING.

But the doctors that will not prescribe any benzos are more than happy to give me dangerous anti-psychotics. At one point they had me on 800mg Quetiapine a day. People with severe Schizophrenia and out of control Mania are prescribed that, or less, sometimes. Besides the side-effects it's known for, it made my blood sugar 6 times higher than the maximum normal range so much that I was mis-diagnosed as an insulin-dependant diabetic....they really think that is a safer alternative to a light benzo?
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In The US, doctors prescribe powerful tricyclic antidepressants to a large portion of children, 18 and younger. All of these meds have a “black box warning” about how the med might cause suicidal ideation. Most of these horrible school shooters take antidepressants. My question is, if they can cause suicidal ideation, couldn’t they cause homicidal ideation? In the mental healthcare arena in the States, those two are always linked together in psychoanalysts’ evaluations. Both require a person to lose their appreciation for life. From what I’ve read between the lines about antidepressants, this is absolutely what may be happening. Can you imagine a pharma company ever warning about how their drug can cause homicidal ideation? They would never admit it. 😔
 
BourbonMac said:
Damn that is a LOT of Diazepam, you'd think they'd just be put on Lyrica or something, that honestly seems safer than that much of a benzo.
I'm guessing stuff like Gabapentin and the likes are also hard to get? Not that Gabapentin works particularly well unless used as needed as tolerance goes up fast, but if that were all you could get, I'd probably give it a shot. Even taking it in general and not feeling the high, it does its job pretty well for a while. Took me around a year of taking 600mg a day for me to really stop feeling any bit of a high.
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It took me THREE YEARS of practically begging my doctor, but he eventually gave me Gabapentin, but for diabetic neuropathy in my legs. I got 900mg/day at first, but he again DID up it to 1800mg/day after I called him literally crying because my legs felt like I'd spilled boiling water on them ALL THE TIME.

The Gabapentin - while prescribed for nerve pain - does help my anxiety a little. Weirdly, Thorazine works surprisingly well, too. 100mg works well, but I find I get somewhat depressed if I take it regularly.

I get it with Gabapentin tolerance. When I first got it just 200mg have me a noticeable buzz, but now hardly any amount does. I'm out of opioids today and been using Gabapentin to try and cover the withdrawal and I've had around 4500mg and no high.
 
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