What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[unodelacosa]

You are talking about specific world events. The actual pschye of society has become rotten.

There is no singular “psyche of society”. That's an illusion that I think you're projecting onto the world. I do this sometimes; it can be difficult to avoid at times.

Instant dopamine from phones.

Everything that feels good releases dopamine. There is nothing inherently wrong with this. Dopamine is not a bad thing. Dopamine disorders are bad, but that's different.

Also smart phones are fine. It's probably more helpful to think of them as small computers, which in turn are essentially intelligence augmenters for humans, among other things. It doesn't hurt that the entire knowledge base of the Internet is in most people's pockets in developed nations. People's grammar and spelling has generally improved on account of autocorrect, too.

The generation coming up right now is going to be so much smarter and more advanced than we ever were. And that's a really good thing.

Lack of experience in the 'real world', being controlled by emotion and lacking the ability to rationally discuss or think about anything.

These problems have always plagued young people. It's not exclusive to today's youth.

And you can see it night and day.

Only with the right set of pessimistic doomer eyes…

I date all sorts of women for example, 20-40 years. The ones who are younger have this weird social disorder like they don't know how to connect with other people. They are scared to say the wrong thing. Scared to have an opinion.

Idk, man. That's just being young, don't you think? That, or maybe you're just attracted to young women with social disorders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Everyone has a type; it's cool.

Funnily enough the 30yo+ women who adopted the phone obsessed, social media lifestyle have the same flaws.

This is kind of a broad-sweeping reductionist theory, isn't it? I think there are pros and cons, not just purely cons as you make it seem.

I feel sorry for kids growing up now who realise all this but don't know how to get away from it because everyone around them is so deep in the bullshit.

Nah, kids have it great today, with the one caveat being all the school shootings in the U.S. …

 

[G_Chem]

You are talking about specific world events. The actual pschye of society has become rotten. Instant dopamine from phones. Lack of experience in the 'real world', being controlled by emotion and lacking the ability to rationally discuss or think about anything.

And you can see it night and day. I date all sorts of women for example, 20-40 years. The ones who are younger have this weird social disorder like they don't know how to connect with other people. They are scared to say the wrong thing. Scared to have an opinion.

Funnily enough the 30yo+ women who adopted the phone obsessed, social media lifestyle have the same flaws.

I feel sorry for kids growing up now who realise all this but don't know how to get away from it because everyone around them is so deep in the bullshit.

I know exactly what you mean about that social disorder, it’s why I can’t connect with anyone anymore. The whole music/dance scene out west is completely ruined because of it, no one dances anymore cuz they don’t want to be caught not posing perfectly for a picture. Or god forbid you look like you’re having too much fun…

I’m trying to get back out into the dating world now after 15yrs in a relationship. Many women think being pretty is a personality, they spend all their time perfecting selfies that they have zero substance.

-GC

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Pen & Teller should make a show about mehDMA.

Like when they made about water and served tap water to folks like it was exclusive spring water from Himalayas or something and everyone liked it a lot better than “cheap water” which was the same stuff.

 

[moonyham]

There is no singular “psyche of society”. That's an illusion that I think you're projecting onto the world. I do this sometimes; it can be difficult to avoid at times.

Everything that feels good releases dopamine. There is nothing inherently wrong with this. Dopamine is not a bad thing. Dopamine disorders are bad, but that's different.

Also smart phones are fine. It's probably more helpful to think of them as small computers, which in turn are essentially intelligence augmenters for humans, among other things. It doesn't hurt that the entire knowledge base of the Internet is in most people's pockets in developed nations. People's grammar and spelling has generally improved on account of autocorrect, too.

The generation coming up right now is going to be so much smarter and more advanced than we ever were. And that's a really good thing.


These problems have always plagued young people. It's not exclusive to today's youth.


Only with the right set of pessimistic doomer eyes…


Idk, man. That's just being young, don't you think? That, or maybe you're just attracted to young women with social disorders ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Everyone has a type; it's cool.


This is kind of a broad-sweeping reductionist theory, isn't it? I think there are pros and cons, not just purely cons as you make it seem.


Nah, kids have it great today, with the one caveat being all the school shootings in the U.S. …

You are basically part of the problem/people I talk of. It's no wonder you can't agree.

You saying smart phones are fine.. No. They aren't. If you knew people who weren't addicted to them you might know what I mean, chances are you only know other people who also think they pose no problem. The social damage they do cannot be undone by improved grammar from autocorrect. It's destroying peoples ability to socialise and even think for themselves. Of course instant dopamine hits on tap in the palm of your hand has negative consequences, but alas, you know better.

I know exactly what you mean about that social disorder, it’s why I can’t connect with anyone anymore. The whole music/dance scene out west is completely ruined because of it, no one dances anymore cuz they don’t want to be caught not posing perfectly for a picture. Or god forbid you look like you’re having too much fun…

I’m trying to get back out into the dating world now after 15yrs in a relationship. Many women think being pretty is a personality, they spend all their time perfecting selfies that they have zero substance.

-GC

Yup, fear of dancing is almost 100% in this new generation/type of personality. It's probably the easiest way to know if someone is 'real' or if they are yet another zombified, scared, phone addicted, lost and confused soul.

I've had similar experiences, all these women who are so void of humanity but hey their nails are soooo pretttttty. Cause that's what matters right? Only 1 in 10 I would even consider to be adult in their ability to hold a conversation. The rest remind me of teenagers. Irrational, angry/confused, uneducated, inexperienced. But they are 25, 30, sometimes even 35yos can be like this.

And despite what is said above, it's not age. It's the ones that fill their life with social media and excessive smart phone use. It just so happens that almost all under 25s are afflicted by this because they are most heavily into tech/grew up with it. But the ones my age(early 30s) that jumped on that bandwagon are just as fucked.

This might sound weird but 100% of all Asian women I've talked to/met(born in Asia, not just genetics) are like this. Can't live without their phone, have close to zero social skills, easily offended by everything, have no stories or life experience, and often obsessed with their looks.

What gets me is Asian chicks seem to dig how I look, but most are terrified to meet me for even a coffee in a public Cafe. When they do they act like it's this huge hurdle to jump, and it's so uncomfortable for them to have a real social interaction. Fear fills every sentence they speak, worrying they might have a 'wrong' opinion. Don't worry, they complain how lonely they are too. Scared of social interactions... But lonely. Because they makes sense?? Needless to say I don't bother with Asian women anymore, unless they were born here.

Coincidence that Asian girls are really into phones/adopting this social media bullshit? More so than probably any other culture? And they just 'happen' to be, in my experience, the most terrified of life? Yeah, I don't think it's a coincidence. I figure another 5-10 years and almost every girl will be like this, as they start to catch up with them.

 

[MobiusDick]

I’m not saying it’s exhaustive, but there does seem to be a difference in the ways we communicate when comparing people in their 20s - early 30s vs 30s-40s. I’m just speculating but IMHO it’s related to development where social media is the primary mode of interpersonal communication vs where phone calls or face to face are the primary modes. There definitely appears to be a generation gap.

 

[MobiusDick]

Mod edit: The old thread has gone over 250 pages a while ago, which is about the length we use as a soft limit for threads, which lessens the impact on our database. As such, this is the new iteration of the "What is wrong with the MDMA available today?" thread. The previous iteration of this thread can be found here

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Let me first give you a little background. I'm 51 years old and started doing ecstasy the last year it was legal in 1985. Needless to say the legal ecstasy from the so called "Dallas Group" was nothing short of spectacular. In 1988 I made a connection with someone from the San Francisco area who was in the production field of making MDMA. I have maintained that friendship and connection ever since with only small periods of downtime. The MDMA I get from him is an extremely fine bleach white crystalline powder that is fluffy and lays just like snow. The high from this MDMA takes about 10-15 minutes to take effect and the high is always the same. An extremely smooth come up followed by excessive love and empathy. You will literally melt into the person you're with and sex is out of this world. Touch and feel is heavenly. All you want to do is touch and feel on the person youre with and tell them how beautiful they are and how much you love them etc. There are massive eye wiggles and conversation flows like new born buddas. The come down is just as smooth as the come up. It drops you off just like a feather and sleep comes like a baby. The next day is nothing short of spectacular. You wake up feeling anti-depressed and chatty. You'll want to talk on the phone, visit friends or just drive around and enjoy the day with the top down. It's all I've ever known as an MDMA experience.

Now that brings me to modern day MDMA. There was a period back in the early 2000's when my connection was down and I scored pills from a local guy. They were great and with some very small exceptions, nearly as good as my crystalline powder. But once again I've been forced to score something locally and the stuff is just plain crap. And I mean crap. I've done both the orange Tesla's and the red Supremes. Absolutely awful, but from reading the trip reports on Pillreports, you would have thought they were the best ever. They're actually anything but. I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA.

Both of them took about 30-40 minutes to kick in and when they did, there was a slight feeling of euphoria and empathy that quickly faded and from there on out it was just a fucked up buzz. There were eye wiggles, but I wasn't feeling good when they were happening. I became extremely tired and kind of gacked out. The high from these pills seemed to last forever, maybe just because they sucked so much. I felt like a crackhead on the comedown and the next day felt like a bad MDA hangover. There was no next day afterglow at all. Just a different kind of fucked up than the night before. And that lasted the entire next day. There is a HUGE giveaway that youre doing todays crappy MDMA. Your pupils will not dialate all the way to the very edge like old school ecstasy. With old school ecstasy your pupils consume literally all of the color in your eye with only a microscopic sliver of color left around the outer edge. With modern day ecstasy your pupils will only dialate to slightly beyond normal if at all. Thats a big giveaway youre doing new school MDMA junk.

Before you jump to the assumption that this Le Junk guy is just old, hes done way to much ecstasy over the course of his lifetime and this is just a matter of tolerance, please re-read my post stating that I still have access to old school MDMA that Ive had since the 1980s. So in one hand I have modern day lab tested MDMA crap and in the other hand, old school MDMA heaven. So tolerance is out the window. Moving forward...

My question is this. Is this the best there is out there today? And since both pills tested on ecstasydata as pure MDMA, what is wrong with MDMA production nowdays? Does anyone else feel what I'm talking about here? My setting is pretty much always the same so that's not it. I always hear people talk about the setting as if that's an issue. With the crystalline powder, it doesn't matter where I am, it's always great. But with these Supremes and Teslas, it's just a sub-par, little euphoria, no real love or empathy, fucked up kinda buzz. Let me put it this way, if this was all that was available to me, I'd quit taking MDMA altogether. Terrible!

It was nice being able to go into bars and put MDMA on your American Express card back in 1984 in Houston and in Atlanta. Things went so smoothly

 

[MobiusDick]

I'm an oldkool raver and took Ecstasy and speed in the early 90s and into 2000, and there is no comparison with the 90s and the 2000>
No recreational drugs today are the same as they were 20-30 years ago. Particularly Ecstasy and amphetamines.
I always suspected that the one thing that changed it all was the birth of the "Legal High/Research Chemical industry.
The use and application of the many hundreds of research chemicals has destroyed the oldskool illegal drugs market. Most if not all illegal oldskool classic type drugs today are mixed with the legal high/research chemicals. Amphetamine is the classic example. It simply does not exist anymore. It is simply research chemicals mixed with tiny amounts of real amphetamine to give it the smell of amphetamine. Utter garbage.
I'm now middle aged and no longer participate in such activities, but I strongly believe that the research chemical boom changed everything permanently, even after the governments banned the sale of them. They are all now just incorporated into all the other drugs.
Drug abuse has always been dangerous and risky, but so much more risky today. Todays drug takers will never realise because they don't know any different.
Stay safe guys.

Even though I’m not big on amphetamines or meth, I am not sure why those particular drugs are not the same, unless you’re comparing meth and amphetamines to phenmetrazine or 4-methyl aminorex. I’ve made a few batches of meth and if you use the Red Phosphorus/ Hydroiodic Acid and do a steam distillation, it’s a pretty easy drug to make. I suspect that a good deal of the meth coming from Mexico is made by this method. If you just reflux the product and don’t do a steam distillation, you end up with about 50% bis product (2 meth molecules attached to one another.). This basically makes the meth weaker but last much longer as the liver converts the bis product into meth. I think the mom and pop methods where batteries and aluminum foil are used in the synthesis, are probably the shitty batches you’re talking about.

—MD

 

[Rectify]

You can do the Birch reaction in 60 seconds with Li metal & EDTA.

 

[unodelacosa]

You are basically part of the problem/people I talk of.

Well you're shit-talking the wrong people; I'm on your side. The difference is I'm trying to remain positive about these things. But that doesn't matter b/c this is well off-topic.

It's no wonder you can't agree.

Yes, I agree

You saying smart phones are fine.

I'm saying we take the good with the bad, and that's okay sometimes. They can't all be zingers, ya know…

If you knew people who weren't addicted to them you might know what I mean, chances are you only know other people who also think they pose no problem.

That's insulting, and you're being really dramatic. All I know is the world changes, for good or ill, sometimes both. I try to roll with the punches and not let it all annoy me, ya know?

The social damage they do cannot be undone by improved grammar from autocorrect. It's destroying peoples ability to socialise and even think for themselves. Of course instant dopamine hits on tap in the palm of your hand has negative consequences, but alas, you know better.

I have no idea if I "know better" or whatever you're trying to paint me as… I'm just speculating here and I have no more data to go on than you do, talking about "social damage" blah³. Unless you have some clever technology to replace cell phones, they aren't going anywhere. Much like MDMA.HCl isn't going anywhere, nor is the invalid and incorrect notion all MDMA is bad now. It's just superstition. There are varying purities and this tends to impact the overall qualitative effects to some degree. That's all.

Don't believe the hype until you see the real evidence is what I'm saying.

I know exactly what you mean about that social disorder, it’s why I can’t connect with anyone anymore.

Is that why? It's nothing to do with you, and you're not responsible for this in any way? (It's that new fangled-dangled technology! Cell phones… back in my day we didn't have cell phones, we had land lines, except we just called them phones and you only called people in your local area, not long-distance because that cost extra, so you just needed seven numbers to get someone's phone number…)

Are you in a good place? Are you on the right wavelength to meet someone? Think about it.

The whole music/dance scene out west is completely ruined because of it, no one dances anymore cuz they don’t want to be caught not posing perfectly for a picture. Or god forbid you look like you’re having too much fun…

—.— ppl still dance, my guy.

I’m trying to get back out into the dating world now after 15yrs in a relationship. Many women think being pretty is a personality, they spend all their time perfecting selfies that they have zero substance.

So that's the wrong attitude. It's hard being a woman – as women age, society treats them more harshly for their looks. Men are allowed to age much more gracefully by societal standards for various reasons, I guess, and it's a double standard. It's natural that women in the dating scene may appear preoccupied with their own aesthetics. Don't let it distract from meeting some otherwise cool chicas. Good luck

The more things change the more they remain the same.

 

[Jmoda]

Still of the camp we just don’t have the data to make any conclusive arguments here, but that being said I’m going to throw another hypothesis which of course has zero backing.

Could the perception of experience have to do with our gut bacteria makeup? Might explain variability of peoples experiences with similar presses. And perhaps some changes over time.

 

[unodelacosa]

Still of the camp we just don’t have the data to make any conclusive arguments here, but that being said I’m going to throw another hypothesis which of course has zero backing.

Thank you for recognizing that, and of course: hypothesize all you like. That's been my big thing on this thread the whole time – so many ppl are cocksure they know everything based on personal, subjective experience.

Could the perception of experience have to do with our gut bacteria makeup? Might explain variability of peoples experiences with similar presses. And perhaps some changes over time.

Yes of course. Setting aside the "perception of experience" for a moment, we already know that there is a lot of individual variance from person to person regarding our enzyme makeups, the different bacteria in our guts, and other factors that are not always interpersonally consistent. Ok now add to it what we know about psychosomatic conditions and placebo effects, and it's absolutely possible for this to occur, among other potential phenomena.

 

[Jmoda]

Thank you for recognizing that, and of course: hypothesize all you like. That's been my big thing on this thread the whole time – so many ppl are cocksure they know everything based on personal, subjective experience.


Yes of course. Setting aside the "perception of experience" for a moment, we already know that there is a lot of individual variance from person to person regarding our enzyme makeups, the different bacteria in our guts, and other factors that are not always interpersonally consistent. Ok now add to it what we know about psychosomatic conditions and placebo effects, and it's absolutely possible for this to occur, among other potential phenomena.

Perhaps we should all try and get our gut bacteria mix to similar levels and then all try again to see if there is any difference, but subjectively, even recently taking a probiotic pill I was a bit shocked at how much it impacted me, gave me euphoria even

 

[unodelacosa]

Perhaps we should all try and get our gut bacteria mix to similar levels and then all try again to see if there is any difference, but subjectively, even recently taking a probiotic pill I was a bit shocked at how much it impacted me, gave me euphoria even

It's not probably all that easy, plus I figure we all have these varying levels of things in our bodies probably for a reason that centers around balance and homeostasis. There are supposedly practitioners of something called oilhuasca wherein aromatic precursor compounds are taken after the user pre-doses with an essential oil for the purpose of suppressing enzymes that would otherwise render the aromatic compound inactive. In this manner, similar to Ayahuasca, oils like Myristicin and Nutmeg can purportedly be "activated" and made psychoactive similar to pre-dosing Harmala/Harmaline before consuming DMT.

Moreover, I believe that over the course of a person's life, their enzymes and metabolic makeup change. Hormones and age have a lot to do with this as well.

 

[G_Chem]

So my gut bacteria has undergone some major changes before. Like chemotherapy.. Before chemo I was drinking a bottle of kombucha a day, plus a fair amount of yogurt, sauerkraut, etc. I had tons of probiotics in my diet. After chemo, I couldn’t even take a sip of ‘buch without feeling like I was going to die. Even over 2yrs later through constant effort I’ve been able to begin to rebuild, nowadays I can drink like 1/4 of a kombucha with positive results.

The only drug that changed big time was alcohol. Which makes sense.. I got majorly increased hangovers.

I know I’m only a sample of 1, but I would expect at least some minor changes.

Honestly… After testing so many batches. The one thing I find time and again is the best product always smells of safrole. I don’t believe all these batches are done from the same route (although maybe they are based on location) I believe the safrole has some effect on the overall experience. I think the producers know something we don’t. Maybe safrole does inhibit certain CYP enzymes to an extent that gives MDMA a boost in effect.

Idk, but I can tell you when assessing product I look for that smell. The best being product which has a light smell only detectable when crushing a crystal.

-GC

 

[unodelacosa]

So my gut bacteria has undergone some major changes before. Like chemotherapy.. Before chemo I was drinking a bottle of kombucha a day, plus a fair amount of yogurt, sauerkraut, etc. I had tons of probiotics in my diet. After chemo, I couldn’t even take a sip of ‘buch without feeling like I was going to die. Even over 2yrs later through constant effort I’ve been able to begin to rebuild, nowadays I can drink like 1/4 of a kombucha with positive results.

The only drug that changed big time was alcohol. Which makes sense.. I got majorly increased hangovers.

This happens to most people I know as they get older. Doubt you or I are any exceptions. Meaning to say: though you no doubt noted a marked increase in hangovers post-chemo, I think this could also be coincidence. Remember: correlation does not prove causation; though it's a common logic error.

After testing so many batches. The one thing I find time and again is the best product always smells of safrole. I don’t believe all these batches are done from the same route (although maybe they are based on location) I believe the safrole has some effect on the overall experience. I think the producers know something we don’t. Maybe safrole does inhibit certain CYP enzymes to an extent that gives MDMA a boost in effect.

Idk, but I can tell you when assessing product I look for that smell. The best being product which has a light smell only detectable when crushing a crystal.

Fair, and I agree that's usually a sign of good shit; however, this does not always mean it will be great. I think there's a practice at play wherein the MDMA manufacturer—to prove they have the sassafras as a source, and thus their MDMA is real—adds a splash of sassafras oil to the finished product. I think this is only for the smell and taste and I have some doubts about your hypothesis, though it's possible you could be right as well. That would be interesting. Either way, until we know for sure there's no sense in convincing ourselves that we already do. But you know this.

 

[G_Chem]

This happens to most people I know as they get older. Doubt you or I are any exceptions. Meaning to say: though you no doubt noted a marked increase in hangovers post-chemo, I think this could also be coincidence. Remember: correlation does not prove causation; though it's a common logic error.


Fair, and I agree that's usually a sign of good shit; however, this does not always mean it will be great. I think there's a practice at play wherein the MDMA manufacturer—to prove they have the sassafras as a source, and thus their MDMA is real—adds a splash of sassafras oil to the finished product. I think this is only for the smell and taste and I have some doubts about your hypothesis, though it's possible you could be right as well. That would be interesting. Either way, until we know for sure there's no sense in convincing ourselves that we already do. But you know this.

In regards to the second paragraph, I think it’s likely to be added more often after the fact based on how much is present. Doesn’t change safroles ability to inhibit certain CYP enzymes.. Which I’ve posted a research article on (probably more than once) in this thread.

I think the producers have caught on to this fact so like you said have been adding some safrole to help potentiate the product.

-GC

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Fair, and I agree that's usually a sign of good shit; however, this does not always mean it will be great. I think there's a practice at play wherein the MDMA manufacturer—to prove they have the sassafras as a source, and thus their MDMA is real—adds a splash of sassafras oil to the finished product. I think this is only for the smell and taste and I have some doubts about your hypothesis, though it's possible you could be right as well. That would be interesting. Either way, until we know for sure there's no sense in convincing ourselves that we already do. But you know this.

This might shock some but 99%+ MDMA doesn’t have safrole smell nor MDP2P smell. No fucking way anyone can guess route used by smelling MDMA of pharmaceutical quality!

I don’t know how common is practice you mentioned but I know that amount that would produce gram of MDMA could be used to “smell up” kilo or more if one wanted to do so.

 

[G_Chem]

This might shock some but 99%+ MDMA doesn’t have safrole smell nor MDP2P smell. No fucking way anyone can guess route used by smelling MDMA of pharmaceutical quality!

I don’t know how common is practice you mentioned but I know that amount that would produce gram of MDMA could be used to “smell up” kilo or more if one wanted to do so.

I agree, it has no smell at all. I’ve had plenty of very pure scentless crystal, but I theorize safrole as an impurity potentiates. It doesn’t mean all product that smells of safrole will be good, or that all scentless pure crystal is shit. Just a trend I’ve noticed, my best rolls always coincide with product that has at least a light scent and is clear crystalline product.

-GC

 

[SpiralusSancti]

I agree, it has no smell at all. I’ve had plenty of very pure scentless crystal, but I theorize safrole as an impurity potentiates. It doesn’t mean all product that smells of safrole will be good, or that all scentless pure crystal is shit. Just a trend I’ve noticed, my best rolls always coincide with product that has at least a light scent and is clear crystalline product.

-GC

Well I too almost always had better luck with safrole smelling stuff, significantly. But it’s important to point out when purified enough, just about any MDMA I tried became fire.

When I smelled (never tried it cuz back than I didn’t thought about importance of that and skipped it) stuff I knew was made from safrole it had only slight smell but different than expected, almost like in the middle between safrole and ketone smell.

I’m pretty sure small amounts of safrole could add to the effect (how much, would be cool to test out, and I think I will one day). Like that kind of stuff has somewhat more trippy effect, almost like slight clean nutmeg high combined with good roll.

You know what I regret with MDMA. Venturing into high dose territory. I might have still be able to enjoy it a lot more if I stayed at up to about 200mg in a night every time I took it and not ending up in hallucinogenic territory on few occasions and usually doing 200mg+ after first few rolls (even second time ever I took about 300mg in a night).

 

[Section813]

I unfortunately was incarcerated for violating the analog act in 2009. Methylone. That methylone was good and guess what it smelled like? Safrole.

I spent nearly my entire 18 months sentence in the law library studying federal cases. By law they have to give you full access to all federal cases. You could type in any keyword and any related cases would come up.

It didn't take me long to find the case of the main supplier of MDMA in the north Texas area in the 80s and 90s. These two chemists and their shared girlfriend were making pretty much everything in the Texas area before it was made illegal. They continued on even after it was made illegal. These were the big speckled wafers that were prevalent during the late 80s and early 90s. Once safrole was made illegal they were forced to move their operation to South America where they had unlimited access to safrole. From what I read they didn't seem particularly advanced in their methodology but they didn't need to be because precursor was unlimited and cheap. I say all this because those wafers are universally recognized as the best pills ever by all who were fortunate enough to consume them and they were not produced by any complex method or even by particularly advanced chemists.

The thing those chemists had was unlimited safrole and that allowed them to produce the best material that I have ever done throughout 30 years of taking MDMA.

If you want to know how their story ended the two dudes starting fighting over the girl. She left them and got arrested and then ratted them both out. They are all now free after serving 10 years for the girl and 20 each for the dudes.

The other cases are fascinating and it's way too much to type out here. What I wouldn't give to have access to that database again but of course that would mean being back in that cage.