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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

shugenja said:
That is some awesome fucking shit and I want some of his product
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Time to go get yourself some d-tartaric ;)

Didgital said:
I am told it is not worth it to resolve the enantiomers of MDMA. Interestingly enough, the one person I know that actually separated the MDA isomers much preferred the S isomer out of the 2, though I think I would prefer the R.

I am also curious about the R isomers of the different APBs as well.
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I actually always thought id prefer the S too. The S gives the MDMA-like 3-4hr intense as fuck roll where I’m confessing my love to strangers, then once that wears off the R isomer sometimes felt like a tweaky nasty afterglow where I wanted to sleep but couldn’t. I never liked the comedown of MDA alone, the high yes the comedown no..

If I separated them I’d probably pursue S. After listening to that podcast the guy who like R-MDA also seemed to have an affinity more towards classic psychedelics, he didn’t really like MDMA.

I think MDA isomer preference comes down to what one likes to do while they are rolling. If you’re more social, S-MDA is probably more appealing, if you’re more into getting trippy and introverted then R-MDA.

-GC
 
gordonliddy said:
I hate to sound like a gawking peasant...but I'm darn impressed you even know how to track down de-racemized molly. Darn, Bro. I used to live in NYC, and even on the party scene we had access to NOTHING like that.
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I should clarify. My assessment of the isomers is based on my long history with MDA and it’s two very distinct periods of effects. With racemic MDA there’s almost like two different highs smashed into one drug. It makes for easy discernment. That combined with knowledge of the isomers effects from publications such as PIHKAL.

If I do try it one day, and I hope I do… It’ll be by my own enatiomeric separation.

-GC
 
new2drugs said:
Does the future look good for MDMA ?
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Yes absolutely. The fact that MDMA has an incredible therapeutic capacity should be fairly obvious to anyone who’s experienced even a small-to-moderate dose. If it didn’t have a bright future, Big Pharma wouldn’t be trying to bring it to market. And in the interim, the drug’s popularity still seems to be growing overall, while at the same time, it seems virtually impossible to shut down its illicit manufacture. I don’t foresee MDMA going anywhere any time soon, and though finding its high can be elusive for some, the majority of ppl it seems still get clean stuff and roll face.

The drugs I’d really like to see come back around are MXE, PCP, 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE, 3-HO-PCE, in that order. I wish 4-MMC were more popular in the US, as well. Le sigh.
 
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unodelacosa said:
Yes absolutely. The fact that MDMA has an incredible therapeutic capacity should be fairly obvious to anyone who’s experienced even a small-to-moderate dose. If it didn’t have a bright future, Big Pharma wouldn’t be trying to bring it to market. And in the interim, the drug’s popularity still seems to be growing overall, while at the same time, it seems virtually impossible to shut down its illicit manufacture. I don’t foresee MDMA going anywhere any time soon, and though finding its high can be elusive for some, the majority of ppl it seems still get clean stuff and roll face.

The drugs I’d really like to see come back around are MXE, PCP, 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE, 3-MeO-PCP, in that order. I wish 4-MMC were more popular in the US, as well. Le sigh.
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Good news.

The lord David Nutt is also putting it in the media over here in the UK. Education cannot hurt. Even a Tory might one day listen
 
unodelacosa said:
Yes absolutely. The fact that MDMA has an incredible therapeutic capacity should be fairly obvious to anyone who’s experienced even a small-to-moderate dose. If it didn’t have a bright future, Big Pharma wouldn’t be trying to bring it to market. And in the interim, the drug’s popularity still seems to be growing overall, while at the same time, it seems virtually impossible to shut down its illicit manufacture. I don’t foresee MDMA going anywhere any time soon, and though finding its high can be elusive for some, the majority of ppl it seems still get clean stuff and roll face.

The drugs I’d really like to see come back around are MXE, PCP, 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE, 3-MeO-PCP, in that order. I wish 4-MMC were more popular in the US, as well. Le sigh.
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I miss MXE and 3-MeO-PCP quite a bit
 
Section813 said:
What if the drugs are the same but the people changed? The world was way different in the 90s. The people had a much different headspace. There were no cellphones to wire the brain for instant gratification. No social media. Much less selective outrage. Folks walking around angry. It's a different world now.
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It wasn't a perfect utopia by any stretch. Look at the Rodney King beating and the Los Angeles riots. Listen to 90s gangster rap. Check out how peaceful Woodstock '99 was… not. (← 90s joke reference, get it? lol).

Also, can we talk about the IRA? How about the first World Trade Center bombing, Timothy McVeigh, or The Branch Davidians of Waco, Texas? Let's talk about John Gotti and Sammy The Bull. Or how about Michael Alig and the Party Monster scene?

People remember the past fondly, but let's not get it twisted. Violence, insanity, and mayhem will always exist somewhere on some level. Something for "those of us with true grit. And we were chock full of that. 'Order some golf shoes,' I whispered. 'Otherwise, we'll never get out of this place alive...'".

In a similar manner, MDMA is remembered too fondly as well. There were bad drugs, bunk pills, fake X, weak vials of acid, etc. etc. And the weed back then was just garbage compared to today's cannabis. MDMA likely does not escape this reality either. People remember what they want to recall. And I'm not saying I'm any different either. And it's okay. Everything is perfect. Love yourself and love your neighbor. Coo-coo ca-choo!
 
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Well I didn't mean to drag this off topic but I've given this a great deal of thought and I feel like it is one of several factors at play in this puzzle.

That being said....

I've got some big Dutch beans and some safrole smelling powder in my collection. I know I could tell the difference in a blind test. That smell is almost always indicative of what I remember it feeling like back then. That powder gives me eye wiggles. The presses don't.

My personal belief is there's something with a natural precursor but I'm no chemist.
 
Yea since this thread began I’ve been really keeping track of what gives me the best roll. Almost always it’s the product that smells of safrole. Safrole does inhibit certain enzymes so maybe it can potentiate the MDMA.

-GC
 
Back in the mid 80s before the Analogue Act, and right after the AA up to about 1990, the MDMA was just different. Today it seems like there are always other compounds in it, except when it’s made in a lab by a medicinal chemist. It always seems like there is mostly stimulants in it and when you occasionally get a taste or vision if the old stuff, it’s always too mild.
 
Section813 said:
Well I didn't mean to drag this off topic but I've given this a great deal of thought and I feel like it is one of several factors at play in this puzzle.

That being said....

I've got some big Dutch beans and some safrole smelling powder in my collection. I know I could tell the difference in a blind test. That smell is almost always indicative of what I remember it feeling like back then. That powder gives me eye wiggles. The presses don't.

My personal belief is there's something with a natural precursor but I'm no chemist.
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Eye dances as I used to call them, were always part of the powdered X. It may not have been 99.9% pure, but it was in the 80’s. I know it’s about this strength bc occasionally I would get Sigma pharmaceutical MDMA and in addition, I worked with some medicinal chemists at Auburn who synthesized 99.9% along with some other analogues.

The color of the pure powder varied from white to light brown.
I always had similar color variants with Quaaludes, although that turned out to be related to washing much of the time, but the MDMA was not about washing more. Methaqualone when you first synthesize is comes out looking like dark brown plastic and takes a huge number of acetone washes and recrystallizations to get it white. But you waste a good bit each time.
 
indigoaura said:
I don't think that is correct. I recall reading that MAPS is using a proprietary recipe. I also read that they plan to release their process eventually, so that should be revealing. I will try to find the quotes that discuss their process. Safrole can also be used in fragrance, so that information by itself does not really reveal anything.

I have sent several emails to MAPS and have never gotten a reply.

@Negi
I do not necessarily think MehDMA is devoid of therapeutic potential. Yes, it is sedating and provokes introspection. In a therapeutic setting, that could be beneficial. One of the things that is so frustrating about it is that it makes me want to stop talking to people. If I was just alone and on a personal journey of discovery, I think there could be some value there. I mentioned before that it really seems to enhance hypnagogic dream-like visuals if you lay down and meditate. So, I don't know that MDMA-naivete reddit posters who are seeking therapeutic potential would really understand that they don't want to cuddle with the therapist and that may be a sign of subpar product.
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Are you sure this was MDMA? It definitely has therapeutic potential IMHO
 
G_Chem said:
Come on now, I’m willing to believe maybe the MDMA was a little better but EVERY drug? That sounds like a you problem to me.

-GC
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Yeah, I agree with MDMA not being the same as it was 30 years ago.

As far as cocaine, it’s better now by far. I’m not an amphetamine/meth user so it may be a case of burn out.

The reason heroin and Dilaudid and phenanthrene opiates do not seem as good as they were is bc ppl who have been using for 30 years have changed their tolerance. Fentanyl is great but it too has the same tolerance issue. Most opiates are stronger than they were but the buzz is less special than when we first stared
—MD
 
MobiusDick said:
Yeah, I agree with MDMA not being the same as it was 30 years ago.

As far as cocaine, it’s better now by far. I’m not an amphetamine/meth user so it may be a case of burn out.

The reason heroin and Dilaudid and phenanthrene opiates do not seem as good as they were is bc ppl who have been using for 30 years have changed their tolerance. Fentanyl is great but it too has the same tolerance issue. Most opiates are stronger than they were but the buzz is less special than when we first stared
—MD
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Cocaine is WAY too good nowadays, it’s a problem really…

-GC
 
indigoaura said:
I don't think that is correct. I recall reading that MAPS is using a proprietary recipe. I also read that they plan to release their process eventually, so that should be revealing. I will try to find the quotes that discuss their process. Safrole can also be used in fragrance, so that information by itself does not really reveal anything.

I have sent several emails to MAPS and have never gotten a reply.

@Negi
I do not necessarily think MehDMA is devoid of therapeutic potential. Yes, it is sedating and provokes introspection. In a therapeutic setting, that could be beneficial. One of the things that is so frustrating about it is that it makes me want to stop talking to people. If I was just alone and on a personal journey of discovery, I think there could be some value there. I mentioned before that it really seems to enhance hypnagogic dream-like visuals if you lay down and meditate. So, I don't know that MDMA-naivete reddit posters who are seeking therapeutic potential would really understand that they don't want to cuddle with the therapist and that may be a sign of subpar product.
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I don’t really think of MDMA as causing major hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucinations like a Belsomra ( suvorexant)
 
unodelacosa said:
It wasn't a perfect utopia by any stretch. Look at the Rodney King beating and the Los Angeles riots. Listen to 90s gangster rap. Check out how peaceful Woodstock '99 was… not. (← 90s joke reference, get it? lol).

Also, can we talk about the IRA? How about the first World Trade Center bombing, Timothy McVeigh, or The Branch Davidians of Waco, Texas? Let's talk about John Gotti and Sammy The Bull. Or how about Michael Alig and the Party Monster scene?

People remember the past fondly, but let's not get it twisted. Violence, insanity, and mayhem will always exist somewhere on some level. Something for "those of us with true grit. And we were chock full of that. 'Order some golf shoes,' I whispered. 'Otherwise, we'll never get out of this place alive...'".

In a similar manner, MDMA is remembered too fondly as well. There were bad drugs, bunk pills, fake X, weak vials of acid, etc. etc. And the weed back then was just garbage compared to today's cannabis. MDMA likely does not escape this reality either. People remember what they want to recall. And I'm not saying I'm any different either. And it's okay. Everything is perfect. Love yourself and love your neighbor. Coo-coo ca-choo!
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You are talking about specific world events. The actual pschye of society has become rotten. Instant dopamine from phones. Lack of experience in the 'real world', being controlled by emotion and lacking the ability to rationally discuss or think about anything.

And you can see it night and day. I date all sorts of women for example, 20-40 years. The ones who are younger have this weird social disorder like they don't know how to connect with other people. They are scared to say the wrong thing. Scared to have an opinion.

Funnily enough the 30yo+ women who adopted the phone obsessed, social media lifestyle have the same flaws.

I feel sorry for kids growing up now who realise all this but don't know how to get away from it because everyone around them is so deep in the bullshit.
 
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