but thank you for the suggestion, I think that might just work. I can easily tell them "You'll guess it's not really coffee I'm talking about, but with the law how it is I'm keeping it that way." I imagine the counsellor would be glad to be told at the start they won't be put into that position and I'm aware of the limitations of counselling where we live.
My guess is that it would also help you determine if the counselor is someone you can trust. If they get all political and act like the ‘crime’ is more important than the treatment, you’ll know to try a different therapist.
If I remember correctly, he was seriously lactose intolerant. Like the kind where you don’t leave the house without a change of clothes. It seemed like an easy problem to solve. But I guess addiction has very little to do with the ‘what’ and everything to do with the ‘why’
I’m sure you mentioned it before, but what part of the world are you in? I’m in California USA
How’s it going Ghostrae?
Thanks for the words of encouragement!How’s it going Ghostrae?
I think I wasn’t clear. I don’t have any virus. I was giving an example of the progression of excuses you could use to explain away your wd symptoms. Covid is a good one mainly because people all seem to know that it can be serious, contagious, and they will want to leave you alone. Before the pandemic I used “the flu”, but now I would use Covid if I were in your situation.
Assuming you have stuck to your plan… does this mean your past the 72 hour mark? Right now would be about the worst you will feel (physically anyway). It should start getting better soon
Just remember that everyone reading this is already proud of you. Even if you fail this time. The only way to lose is to stop trying and we have all failed. Some have stopped trying. It’s a war and you’re already a hero!
Also…. You might already know this but opiate wd causes more problems than what’s listed on any website. Shortness of breath, loss of appetite, hot flashes, etc. It’s like menopause, the flu, severe depression, and food poisoning, all brewed in the same pot of rotten eggs.
Well, here I am feeling cheezyHow’s it going Ghostrae?
I think I wasn’t clear. I don’t have any virus. I was giving an example of the progression of excuses you could use to explain away your wd symptoms. Covid is a good one mainly because people all seem to know that it can be serious, contagious, and they will want to leave you alone. Before the pandemic I used “the flu”, but now I would use Covid if I were in your situation.
Assuming you have stuck to your plan… does this mean your past the 72 hour mark? Right now would be about the worst you will feel (physically anyway). It should start getting better soon
Just remember that everyone reading this is already proud of you. Even if you fail this time. The only way to lose is to stop trying and we have all failed. Some have stopped trying. It’s a war and you’re already a hero!
Also…. You might already know this but opiate wd causes more problems than what’s listed on any website. Shortness of breath, loss of appetite, hot flashes, etc. It’s like menopause, the flu, severe depression, and food poisoning, all brewed in the same pot of rotten eggs.
. I lasted 29 hours.
Do you have springtime allergies causing flare ups? Some antihistimines are very helpful at countering withdrawal as well, hydroxyzine helps calm things down and some others are marketed for sleep, ny-tol is one I think. Those might help you doubly if it's a seasonal thing.Well, here I am feeling cheezy
I thought about ignoring my "fall". Changed my mind. The benefits of playing it straight. Of honestly participating outweigh any embarrassment I might feel.
I will stop taking pain medicine. I didn't this try, but I will. At least I went over 24 hours. The longest period of time in many months.
Starting Monday I hope to skip every other day. Use my meager victory. If skipped 24 hrs I can do it again.I haven't thought beyond that plan. Every spring I suffer from the worst kind of flare up. No excuse an observation.
Thanks..
People can really crave things they are allergic to, I guess the craving is for some reaction inside the body, not a clue what though.
Every step forward is exactly that…. It’s a move in the right direction. What I have experienced though is that one day off, every once in a while, really doesn’t move the needle much if at all. Maybe use this experience to lower your tolerance a bit and start a long taper?Well, here I am feeling cheezy
I thought about ignoring my "fall". Changed my mind. The benefits of playing it straight. Of honestly participating outweigh any embarrassment I might feel.
I will stop taking pain medicine. I didn't this try, but I will. At least I went over 24 hours. The longest period of time in many months.
Starting Monday I hope to skip every other day. Use my meager victory. If skipped 24 hrs I can do it again.I haven't thought beyond that plan. Every spring I suffer from the worst kind of flare up. No excuse an observation.
Thanks..
I think cravings can have a lot more to do with being a slave to an old routine than we realize. Obviously if something makes you ‘happy’ it can just be that you’re reminded of better times and want the happiness back. But it can just be that it’s a pacifier.
I definitely recommend that you ‘stabilize’ at the new dose before you tackle another reduction. Otherwise you’ll be in perpetual wd for the entire taper. And the best kind of taper I ever tried started with reducing down to two doses per day 12 hours apart for two weeks (better even if you can do once per day, but that’s pretty miserable). Start by figuring out the two best times to NOT be suffering, such as just before getting to work and just before bedtime. And remember that it might take a month to really get used to the new lower amount.
It could be that your size is not helping you. You said you are a big guy so you'll likely have a faster metabolism than us old hens here and your body sounds like it removes the opiates from your system very effectively, as fast as it's absorbed it's gone and you're in constant withdrawals at a constant dose.
I got the timed release oxys after my second surgery. Up until that point I was taking 60mg per day and the new Dr wrote me a script for 2x30mg timed release + 3x30mg instant release oxy per day. I used my first time release oxy at night and I felt like I had struck gold. I slept like a baby and woke up a bit stoned, but soooo happy. I don’t think I had felt that good in my whole life.
Grapefruit is a proven action that people on statins are told about, they can't have grapefruit because it causes that drug to stay in the body too long and build up dangerously in old people who are the ones who get statins. By the same action morphine will hang around longer too, increasing your dose, but you'd need the grapefruit already well into your system and top up more with your opiate as well. I notice more if I forget the grapefruit, then I'll wonder why I'm coming down already. THC is in the same queue to exit the body as grapefruit and morphine, (Is it the CYP pathway?) so that's handy, they can all delay the removal of each other until only morphine is left, last to leave apparantly.
I tried grapefruit a couple of times. But I consumed the fruit after the oxy. Probably a good thing I screwed it up because the last thing I needed back then was MORE effect of my pills.
You've said this so often, I have to believe you, but it really doesn't seem like it from where I am. I'm still on a higher dose of Bupe than prescribed, but it's gradually coming down and I'm off all my other meds now except an AD, that way they'll work when I need them again.
