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Which RC is the most like MDMA?

SpiralusSancti said:
I’m actually not interested in RC most similar to MDMA in action but most suitable for use as MDMA superior replacement. For example I wouldn’t say 2c-b and amt are anywhere close in effects to MDMA but in fact much, much superior, but I love psychedelics and those who don’t will almost certainly find it opposite and certainly in doses big enough.

A lot more similar in effects was bk-MDMA (methylone) and while in many aspects it might be considered MDMA light it’s a great stuff (no question if you are ok with more clearheaded high, less in your face strong roll and less emphatogenic effects) and as with amt I’m not surprised it was once considered to have potential as antidepressant and if in fact used in a similar manner to MDMA therapy I bet they would be similarly effective, potentially more because of less harsh comedown or in case of amt in fact an afterglow in following days.

Being many, many years ago I don’t remember what exact “benzo-furans” I tried when they popped up but I remember effects being quite close to MDMA even lacking the push and same levels euphoria they did have emphatogenic effects pronounced. And they where kind of more trippy while at the same time more clearheaded.

I would like to add that I always found stupid that no real research on patients was done with something like MDAI (didn’t tried it personally) that was created with intention to be molecule easier on the brain than MDMA. Focusing all attention to MDMA is stupid as fuck especially that all downsides for recreational users of something like MDAI might be negligible if used with psychotherapist. Not only negligible but even positive in context of true medical use. You don’t need the energy to dance while having psychotherapy and more so rolling hard as fuck as proper dose of MDMA should make you might have more healing properties if taken on a dance-floor or with friends than with a psychotherapist and for a lot of people is/would be for sure.
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MDAI is a really euphoric drug.

Blasting to the moon euphoria with the correct dosage.
 
5-MeO-MiPT is something i would prefer to MDMA for similar purposes. Way lighter, clearer, more psychedelic but still empathogenic and sensual. Sadly only got 2 doses left. This one should have caught on big time but doesn't seem to have a market. Why is MDMA 1000x more available? (rhetorical question)

Of course it's not very similar in effect compared to many others. Just following a recent trajectory in the discussion.
 
Mjäll said:
5-MeO-MiPT is something i would prefer to MDMA for similar purposes. Way lighter, clearer, more psychedelic but still empathogenic and sensual. Sadly only got 2 doses left. This one should have caught on big time but doesn't seem to have a market. Why is MDMA 1000x more available? (rhetorical question)

Of course it's not very similar in effect compared to many others. Just following a recent trajectory in the discussion.
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Had to chance to get this, wish did, bc vendor stop selling it, requested some and they said they would try them stop shipping to USA. I've heard the same exact thing clearer, lighter, more psychedelic but still empathetic, sensual.

Two rolls ago did 6 apb and was too stimulation , but comedown wasn't emotional . This time dosed 50 mgs 6 apb , 25 mgs 5 mapbs to cut down on stimulation, and still was a bit stimulated but not as much as last time, it goes with the territory or can try lowering 6 apb and raising 5 mapbs next time. Then did very low dosed Mal the next day. Is 5 meo mipt less of an emotional come down than moderate to higher dosed entacogen (s) ?
 
Innerpeace said:
Had to chance to get this, wish did, bc vendor stop selling it, requested some and they said they would try them stop shipping to USA. I've heard the same exact thing clearer, lighter, more psychedelic but still empathetic, sensual.

Two rolls ago did 6 apb and was too stimulation , but comedown wasn't emotional . This time dosed 50 mgs 6 apb , 25 mgs 5 mapbs to cut down on stimulation, and still was a bit stimulated but not as much as last time, it goes with the territory or can try lowering 6 apb and raising 5 mapbs next time. Then did very low dosed Mal the next day. Is 5 meo mipt less of an emotional come down than moderate to higher dosed entacogen (s) ?
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From my experience 5-MeO-MiPT is a straight-up psychedelic with zero comedown, rather an afterglow if anything. I don't know how it is so sensual seemingly without any serotonin release.
 
Innerpeace said:
Everyone's different. 107 mgs 5 mapbs gave me severe serotonin syndrome for ten days, starting a couple days afterwards. I dosed passion flower and 5 htp two days afterwards so that did not help.

Everyone's different. I abused ecstacy pills in 2000 and 2001. Even now , it seems possible up to a week after dosing an entacogen experience, 50 mgs 6 apb and 25 mgs 5 mapb. Then ,next day a micro to low dose say 2-5 mgs of Mal. A psychedelic in the mesaline family that causes increased communication like an entacogen. Closer to an entacogen than most psychedelics., That I'm much more emotional afterwards, at least this time off this combo, got fired at job of five years bc I got jealous over a girl I fancied immensely. Then again, maybe it was best bc I haven't even kissed her.
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How did you dose it? I feel like I’ve heard that re-dosing 5mapb too late can really fuck you up.
 
Jmoda said:
How did you dose it? I feel like I’ve heard that re-dosing 5mapb too late can really fuck you up.
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No redose. Dosed same time as 6 apb. 25 mgs 5-mapb with 50 mgs 6 apb to cut down on 6 apb stimulation.

Next day, dosed a micro dose or close to it ,3.5 mgs, of (MAL), which is in the phenethylamine family.
 
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Innerpeace said:
No redose. Dosed same time as 6 apb. 25 mgs 5-mapb with 50 mgs 6 apb to cut down on 6 apb stimulation.

Next day, dosed a micro dose or close to it ,3.5 mgs, of (MAL), which is in the phenethylamine family.
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I’m talking about when you said you had serotonin syndrome off of the 107mg of 5mapb
 
Everyone is discussing Moxy (5-MeO-MiPT) so I just thought I’d mention Foxy Methoxy (5-MeO-DiPT), which is very similar except it’s trippier, harder, has more body load but also a more pronounced euphoria and aphrodisiac qualities. I cannot say either are a good substitute for MDMA though or even a “superior” drug bc we’re comparing apples and oranges. Truly nothing else is MDMA. It’s unique.

As far as sensuality goes and sexual enhancement, MDMA can be hit or miss. I prefer a phenethylamine, or a good candyflip with acid. This can lead to some incredible sexual experiences with the right partner.
 
I don’t find it similar to 5-meo-MiPT at all. I only smoked 5-meo-DiPT it and I found it heavy/stoning psychedelic with strong electric body high/load, really unique in that way. Although that might be specific to that ROI and I can imagine it becomes much more similar to 5-meo-MiPT via oral route.
 
unodelacosa said:
I find these drugs to be close in effect to MDMA. In order from greatest to least:
  • 4-MMC (Mephedrone)
  • 4-FA
  • 3-MMC
  • 2C-B
  • 2C-B-FLY
  • BOB
Plus of course the aforementioned 5- and 6-APB and their methyl analogues. Also, I've tried the Borax MDMA cocktail, and several variations therein, and I cannot say that it impressed me as being but so similar to MDMA, honestly, but still a nice experience.
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4-mmc felt very close to old skool pills (rushy, loved-up, soft-focus vision) the first few times I had it, but quite different in character to MDMA (dirty horniness to the fore) the more times you do it.

I think low dose 2c-b is probably the closest - certainly a lot of the warmth, body high and desire to communicate.
 
SpiralusSancti said:
I don’t find it similar to 5-meo-MiPT at all. I only smoked 5-meo-DiPT it and I found it heavy/stoning psychedelic with strong electric body high/load, really unique in that way. Although that might be specific to that ROI and I can imagine it becomes much more similar to 5-meo-MiPT via oral route.
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Wait, which do you mean? I don't find either Moxy (5-MeO-MiPT) or Foxy (5-MeO-DiPT) to be like MDMA. However, they are similar to one another for sure with Moxy generally being milder and more well tolerated, especially among those with less experience and/or fondness of psychedelics.

And yeah, the ROI does make a significant difference in the effects when comparing (ed: grammar) vaporization/inhalation to oral ingestion, naturally. On that subject though, I do enjoy vaporing Moxy. Have you ever tried this?
 
Yeah I took 5-meo-MiPT orally and smoked it. But I smoked it, not vaped it. And not in manner I prefer smoking (yeah it’s still vaping if done properly) DMT (in a sandwich of a bit weed and tobacco, sprinkled generously, 100mg+, so I can achieve breakthrough easily even if I don’t manage to take 3 hits) but smoked in a joint. I chose this method because of people I was with and place where we were. It was easy to gain effects of wanted level and not to overdo it. People who smoked it with me were also quite experienced with psychedelics and liked it very much and even those who are not so much into them liked it, just smoked a lot less. Too friends ended up in bed together and left the group and that wasn’t really their/our style (we would usually continue afterparty in a same number we started warm-up, not that anyone took this as offensive) I would say is telling something about aphrodisiac or sensual or whatever you’ll call it effects of this drug.

Writing this I realised I might have mixed up what was the other substance (in fact I 100% did as I didn’t have opportunity to try foxy, unfortunately) so what I smoked was 4-ho-DiPT or some other DiPT and not 5-meo-DiPT. This tryptamine I smoked (didn’t create noticeable tolerance so it was possible to smoke bowl moments after peak stops and many times in a day), it was tryptamine that, if I didn’t know better, I would be sure it had some impact on cannabinoid receptors but given I smoked all the time back than, it must have been strong synergy (but same wasn’t experienced to any extent with 4-aco-DMT, 5-meo-MiPT, 5-meo-DMT, DMT, AMT or shrooms). Electric and something I don’t know to describe better than “heavy indica from other dimension body high” was something I’ll never forget. Worth noting is that one of my friends who smoked it said it felt alarming and unpleasant to him and I have to agree that pronounced effect really did feel right at the boundary between body high/rush and body-load and kinda acquired taste. Peak experience when smoked whas not really much longer than with DMT but nothing like it or any tryptamine I tried.

I don’t find 5-meo-MiPT similar to MDMA at all but 5-meo-MiPT was excellent for dancing and socialising, euphoric and nice while without negative sides of MDMA.

I wish I have written up much more trip reports/notes as after trying triple digit of substances over decades and taking a break from my usual pattern of staying up to date I forgot some thing.

I can’t downplay impact MDMA had on me, profound non-psychedelic life changing experience of seeing better, bright, smiling side of life but for me personally there are many drugs I would chose before MDMA for party/socialising or with friends or for sex. You know how they call GHB – liquid ecstasy, it’s not similar to MDMA per se but I it is kinda like mix of some effects from MDMA and some from alcohol, or like some describe AMT is kind of like mix of MDMA and LSD effects. I don’t find that correct description as AMT is nothing like candyflipping. Neither is 2c-b but 2c-b effects are somewhat more reproducible by candyflipping even so that comparation also completely fades out with proper doses of either.

Thing is that MDMA can’t really surprise me taken in a normal manner so it’s something I don’t really care about revisiting. What I do appreciate with MDMA is when I take it with someone who never did it and just see how trauma melts away or how people without serious issues immediately bound and you clearly see this is one of best feelings they experienced. This is kind of loss of magic I think. Even I still get all the good effects and I still find it useful for bonding and therapeutic affects are there, it’s just not something I seek for. But MDMA did really shined for me first few times I took it and latter in combos, like with 2c-b, K and surprisingly magnificent combo with DMT. I would certainly like to try MDA as 2 – 3 experiences I had with a mix of MDEA and MDMA were really refreshing even when I had less than 10 or so MDMA experiences.

Enough of rambling for now...
 
Jmoda said:
I’m talking about when you said you had serotonin syndrome off of the 107mg of 5mapb
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No 107 mgs dose,only. Ex Gf did 65 mgs and was fine. I think no more than 75 mgs 5-mapb should be used, in one day. Maybe 80 mgs total if redosing. No more.
 
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