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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

I just had polish clonazepam 2mg from Poland from prescription and they work and taste exactly the same but you might be right, i will send one just in case :) i'll let u know guys when i will have results.

PS: Tramadol is from friend who got it prescribed ;)
 
opiofr3k said:
I just had polish clonazepam 2mg from Poland from prescription and they work and taste exactly the same but you might be right, i will send one just in case :) i'll let u know guys when i will have results.

PS: Tramadol is from friend who got it prescribed ;)
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I didn't know UK doctors prescribed Clonazepam - or was it a foreign doctor?
 
have just done my first shopping trip of the new year which involved a well needed benzo component - 100 0.5 UK Rx Clonazepam (Neuraxapharm this month instead of Auden, which is cool as I think they are as good as the Roche) and from the Balkan Chemist, 30 2mg Galenika Clonazepam, 30 Hemofarm 10mg Diazepam Tablets and 20 Hemofarm 2.5mg Lorazepam. My nerves were fried this week so I had a 2mg Galenika CLZ and one of the Lorazepams straight off and 1 spliff later (also scored today) here I am.
 
Bit random, guys. But I watched a programme called "Happy Valley." Anyway, a lady was caught with about 20 Diazepam, and she was frogged marched to cop shop and given a criminal record. Surely the police wouldn't bother you for such an insignificant amount?

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peace seeker 76 said:
Bit random, guys. But I watched a programme called "Happy Valley." Anyway, a lady was caught with about 20 Diazepam, and she was frogged marched to cop shop and given a criminal record. Surely the police wouldn't bother you for such an insignificant amount?

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I suppose they could if they really wanted to, depends on the copper. I reckon most would just take them off you and tell you to fuck off unless you were really mouthy about it.
 
peace seeker 76 said:
Bit random, guys. But I watched a programme called "Happy Valley." Anyway, a lady was caught with about 20 Diazepam, and she was frogged marched to cop shop and given a criminal record. Surely the police wouldn't bother you for such an insignificant amount?

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That's a drama, so I would hope it's not true to life, but considering how severe - and seemingly arbitrarily enforced - drug laws are, I wouldn't think it unheard of
 
mydrugbuddy said:
No I don't have it already unfortunately. I'll give Diclazepam powder one last try, hopefully my break from it will have helped my tolerance, and I bet that those bulk buy mega bargain diclazepam pills were total bunk. I should have known better; there were so many dodgy practices going on among the UK vendors regarding benzo pills. Half of them didn't seem to work. :|
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When the UK announced a ban, people sold their businesses to shady people at cutdown prices. I mean, if it's bunk or just doesn't arrive, who do you tell?

But diclazepam was specifically designed as the methadone for benzodiazepines. It was designed to have the longest T1/2 of all (and 8 days seems unlikely to be broken).
 
Fertile said:
When the UK announced a ban, people sold their businesses to shady people at cutdown prices. I mean, if it's bunk or just doesn't arrive, who do you tell?

But diclazepam was specifically designed as the methadone for benzodiazepines. It was designed to have the longest T1/2 of all (and 8 days seems unlikely to be broken).
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Interesting. I recently found myself resorting to an old diclazepam and mono propylene glycol mixture I'd made years ago, as I thought there was a chance I could run out of benzos due to having issues with my bank refusing transactions.

I really liked it on this occasion, the long break away from it must have helped, and I felt the anxiety busting properties right through the next day without needing to re-dose. But I didn't know, or had forgotten, that it had a half life of 8 days.

I'm so glad that I kept that mixture now. At one stage the thought passed through my head to get rid of it, as I thought that I disliked diclazepam so much. The previous time I'd used it, it had made me feel very out of it, in a bad way. But another part of me knew that it would be a mistake to ditch it, as I could never know when I might need that mixture and that it's always worth having a back up.
 
axe battler said:
Didn't flubromazepam have a longer action/half life @Fertile? That one was freaking crazy. 16mg and you're fucked for 3 days! I loved it!
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No - the 2-methyl is hydroxylated which happens quite quickly. The worst diclazepam can do is N-demthylate (making an active metabolite) or 30hydroxylate (making an active metabolite).

Maybe flubromazolam NEEDS a lot to 'work' so hangover effects occur. Diclazepam was designed so ALL the metabolites are also active. It's the metabolites that give it legs. You might not feel fucked for as long, but if you are dependent on benzos, it's most certainly the one that could be given once a day (supervised consumption) and allows tapering.

I should know - I was on 24mg/day (equals 360mg of diazepam) and it took a YEAR to taper off. I did it, but I was well motivated.
 
Bleaney said:
Interesting. I recently found myself resorting to an old diclazepam and mono propylene glycol mixture I'd made years ago, as I thought there was a chance I could run out of benzos due to having issues with my bank refusing transactions.

I really liked it on this occasion, the long break away from it must have helped, and I felt the anxiety busting properties right through the next day without needing to re-dose. But I didn't know, or had forgotten, that it had a half life of 8 days.

I'm so glad that I kept that mixture now. At one stage the thought passed through my head to get rid of it, as I thought that I disliked diclazepam so much. The previous time I'd used it, it had made me feel very out of it, in a bad way. But another part of me knew that it would be a mistake to ditch it, as I could never know when I might need that mixture and that it's always worth having a back up.
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Yeah, 50ml of etzolam 2mg/ml in sterile propylene glycol soln wasuseful: rapid acting and nowhere near the same dependancy qualities as normal benzos. Found IM route was a bit too extreme, early on! 😅
 
Fertile said:
No - the 2-methyl is hydroxylated which happens quite quickly. The worst diclazepam can do is N-demthylate (making an active metabolite) or 30hydroxylate (making an active metabolite).

Maybe flubromazolam NEEDS a lot to 'work' so hangover effects occur. Diclazepam was designed so ALL the metabolites are also active. It's the metabolites that give it legs. You might not feel fucked for as long, but if you are dependent on benzos, it's most certainly the one that could be given once a day (supervised consumption) and allows tapering.

I should know - I was on 24mg/day (equals 360mg of diazepam) and it took a YEAR to taper off. I did it, but I was well motivated.
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I said f-Pam not f-Lam. Different innit. flubromazepam 4mg ~ 10mg diazepam but lasts muuuuch longer. I hate flubromazolam with a passion.
 
axe battler said:
I said f-Pam not f-Lam. Different innit. flubromazepam 4mg ~ 10mg diazepam but lasts muuuuch longer. I hate flubromazolam with a passion.
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My mistake - diclazepam is still longer acting because flubromazepam has no N-methyl. In essence, it's already a metabolite.

Compare them. The -Br replacing the -Cl makes no notable difference and neither does swapping '2-F for '2-Cl. It's like they needlessly added to the MW with 1 modification and took it off again by swapping '2-Cl for '2-F.

So why DO they go for different halides? Because originally patents forced them to. So what people imagine based on comparing them is just hearsay.

WHY someone hasn't N-methylated I do not know, There is a new route that gives >99% yield and since the MW goes up, you actually end up with more (by weight) of it. I said the same about phenazepam. phenmetazepam isn't known so isn't controlled.
 
Haha I've no clue what you said @Fertile but definitely found f-Pam to be a lot nicer than f-Lam subjectivity, but that's just me.
I really like bromazepam and found f-Pam to be similar but stronger and longer lasting. Are they chemically similar? I thought f-Lam was more like triazolam then bromazepam, but I'm no chemist.
 
Well the 3-ring (pam) has significant alpha 1 affinity. Do you like alcohol as these will trigger the receptors associated with alcohol intoxication.

The -lam is 4-ring (usually a triazolo) and they contain a 2-methyl that doubles activity BUT provides the body with a convenient way to metabolise the stuff.

Of course ALL of these are based on the 1,4-benzodiazepine scaffold. I've found and posted some very potent compounds based on the 1,5-benzodiazepine scaffold which binds as totally different sites. It doesn't matter if you have tolerance and dependence to 1,4-benzodiazepines, these will work like you NEVER took a benzo before.
 
The first time for any particular benzo is always the best time, but I'll never forget the first time ever. I felt amazingly clear headed and sober off 1mg of Etilaam Etizolam, but I was astonished to discover that my balance and legs were completely fucked when I tried to leave the house, I took a couple of steps, and stumbled around in a semi-circle before going sprawling across the tarmac. That mission was very quickly aborted.
 
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