Is opiod addiction the worst addiction?

[Kizaru]

Exactly - it sounds like we have the same tactic. you can't exorcise them, so you try and keep them tame and caged. Im sorry you suffer in the same way. I honestly think if I was given a safe supply of opiates i could be totally functional.

Honestly i suffer from chronic depression since the age of 12 , i am 32 now and life just passed by me because of all my problems . I got some personality disorders and on top of that addiction (like most probally) i was reading a documentary on how if no treatment works a patient can ask for euthanasia. Sometimes i think why not take a last shot at good clean opioide to live your life at some barable level . At least its better then "euthanasia" i thought . But they don't seem to do that . Sometimes i think opioides will be my last resort to keep up with life . I take kratom alot , tried some bupe . Nothing special yet , i don't condone this but when you feel severely hopeless and depressed you take addiction anyday over sober life . The specialist here don't go to that part , they don't understand . Its not you , its them . And i am stuck with never ending nightmares . Anyway i am scared to form an opioide addiction at this time in my life and try harder stuff . Upside is i don't have any addiction with alcohol lucky.

 

[Kizaru]

Im really sorry to hear you have been suffering from chronic depression, that sucks. Euthanasia is so final, any way you can live your life in a way that is bearable is worth trying. Have you ever tried opiates before? I have very bad ptsd. I was abused as a child and then suffered a lot of violence as an adult. Counselling is useless. I know how I can make life bearable for me. I would never say to anyone else to try opiates as a coping mechanism...but all junkies say that. Seriously, if you are thinking about ethanasia anything is worth trying. Be very careful, almost everything is fent and not heroin, and that is just has no euphoria and is really dangerous, as you know...

I snorted a little suboxone with some alprazolam for the first time . Because i read suboxone could be recreational if your a opioide naive person like me (well only kratom) and its quite nice , i did puke though but only 1 time , nodded a little . I also wanted to ask is it normal with opioides if you take warm shower it can trigger nausia ? Oxycodone is really freaking expensive here , maybe i can try some rc shit who knows we have legal good vendors here .

 

[Kizaru]

Im really sorry to hear you have been suffering from chronic depression, that sucks. Euthanasia is so final, any way you can live your life in a way that is bearable is worth trying. Have you ever tried opiates before? I have very bad ptsd. I was abused as a child and then suffered a lot of violence as an adult. Counselling is useless. I know how I can make life bearable for me. I would never say to anyone else to try opiates as a coping mechanism...but all junkies say that. Seriously, if you are thinking about ethanasia anything is worth trying. Be very careful, almost everything is fent and not heroin, and that is just has no euphoria and is really dangerous, as you know...

By the way every therapist i tried so far was a complete Joke . So i have little hopes in finding help with the usual addiction/mental centers here . Been going to a therapist there for 2 years completely wasted my time , they don't even get anything, never learned anything at all about my addiction . Might as well talk to a tree.

 

[Kizaru]

Opiates trigger nausea whatever you do if you have no tolerance or do a really good shot/dose. I've never heard anything about not showering. Puking is a sign you are good and high. Embrace the vomit! Where are you? I would not fuck with RC opiates, you might get some cartefentanyl elephant tranq which will kill you. You want to go as safe as possible - doctor-prescribed pharmacy opiates. RC opioids are just too dangerous imo. you don't want to start there.

I am from Holland . Vendors here are legit and legal . Also fentanyl isn't seen here so much, damn you must know how safe Holland feels i am glad i live here , no guns and shit .

 

[Kizaru]

I hear you. I will not bother talking to them any more. my experience was not good with counsellors. I never want to discourage someone else, but it is not for me.

Opiates trigger nausea whatever you do if you have no tolerance or do a really good shot/dose. I've never heard anything about not showering. Puking is a sign you are good and high. Embrace the vomit! Where are you? I would not fuck with RC opiates, you might get some cartefentanyl elephant tranq which will kill you. You want to go as safe as possible - doctor-prescribed pharmacy opiates. RC opioids are just too dangerous imo. you don't want to start there.

Yeah after puking i felt fine .

 

[Kizaru]

The USA is not as bad as is made out in Europe. I have friends in Europe still who will not come visit me because they are too scared. It really does not feel unsafe and I live in a huge city. I am very jealous that you don't have a fent issue. I found some tar here and was overjoyed - it is really quite rare. I do wonder if tar/heroin is going to come back. Too many junkies dying and not therefore not spending $$$

What about opioide poppies or thee or whatever its called?

 

[Kizaru]

Poppy pod and seed tea? Don't do it, friend! The withdrawals are insane, and the high not worth it. I honestly believe it was the tea that triggered severe food allergies.

What is the most euphoric opioide anyway?

 

[Kizaru]

Berlin. Followed by Dilaudid. Then for me, oxy. The one time I had really good tincture of opium for a while, that was lovely. Fent has zero euphoria. If I don't reply right away, I am going to get well, Kizaru. You can always pm me. Please think about what you are doing with the opioids. I don't want anyone getting hurt. I also don't judge. I know I struggle to live without them...I guess I feel guilty. Im not encouraging you...but also feel sick that someone as obviously nice as you considered euthanasia.

Damn i rlly actually ment opium in my last reply i think . Can't you make opium tea?
Yeah i have been in dark times , but still i try . I am also afraid of dying so you keep in that circle . I don't actually want to die i just don't want to feel so bad

 

[Kizaru]

I wish I had the answers. I am honestly sorry i don't. If you can find real opium call me. Hah. People make tea from pods and seeds. Tincture of opium is amazing but not seen it for many years now. Have you considered psychedellics? Safer, and I know people who had great results with their depression. Perhaps you could try mushrooms or DMT?

I am definitely interested in shrooms , it can help depression. But i have high anxiety and just afraid of something as strong as lsd. I did a shitload of 2cb though .

 

[Kizaru]

If I was you I would try shrooms next. Leave the opiates for the last resort.

Yes this was my plan , i only got 3 suboxone tablets from a friend and do kratom sometimes . I am not planning to do harder shit but in my mind i feel better that if nothing may work i can still always go that route . And i won't be someone overdosing , i am very secure in my usage and dosage (use weight scales etc) .
Thanks for the advice man i appreciate it . Another friend of mine said 1 time shrooms was like 2 years therapy in one session lmao

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Lol OP has ZERO pharmacology knowledge or experience.
They think heroin is the most deadly drug because google gov propaganda told them so. Hahaha

This is why we still have a drug war, because people who know nothing about drugs & shouldn't be doing drugs... are doing them & giving them a bad name.

While on the other hand we have a gov hellbent on indoctrinating it's citizens into believing opioids are the most deadliest drugs out there, when in reality, most overdoses are accidental poly-drug overdoses & even then, the annual amount is still less than the amount of people killed by alcohol every year. And these statistics are also readily available on... you guessed it, google.

From my last interaction with OP, I gather they enjoy asking ridiculous, immature questions, only to berate the people who respond & treat them as if they don't know anything. When in reality, it's OP that doesn't know anything or they wouldn't be asking such ridiculous questions to begin with.

Heroin is far from being the "most deadly drug" or the "worst addiction (in terms of physical damage)".

 

[Kizaru]

Lol OP has ZERO pharmacology knowledge or experience.
They think heroin is the most deadly drug because google gov propaganda told them so. Hahaha

This is why we still have a drug war, because people who know nothing about drugs & shouldn't be doing drugs... are doing them & giving them a bad name.

While on the other hand we have a gov hellbent on indoctrinating it's citizens into believing opioids are the most deadliest drugs out there, when in reality, most overdoses are accidental poly-drug overdoses & even then, the annual amount is still less than the amount of people killed by alcohol every year. And these statistics are also readily available on... you guessed it, google.

From my last interaction with OP, I gather they enjoy asking ridiculous, immature questions, only to berate the people who respond & treat them as if they don't know anything. When in reality, it's OP that doesn't know anything or they wouldn't be asking such ridiculous questions to begin with.

Heroin is far from being the "most deadly drug" or the "worst addiction (in terms of physical damage)".

But isn't fentanyl and heroïne highest rated in terms of overdosis ? Not physical damage no way alcohol is much more damaging thats for sure . But still alcohol is used by most people you have to account for that no?

 

[Kizaru]

I honestly think you might get somewhere with shrooms. Let me know how it goes. Please take care. it is not dose I worry about, but weird research chems. I've lost so many friends. Just be sensible, ok?

Yes i will and i appreciate you thanks man stay safe ! You can pm me anytime if you want .

 

[crazyhairman]

I sure for many it can be. If you hate opioids but love meth for instance... then odds are you might think differently

 

[Mjäll]

Lol OP has ZERO pharmacology knowledge or experience.
They think heroin is the most deadly drug because google gov propaganda told them so. Hahaha

This is why we still have a drug war, because people who know nothing about drugs & shouldn't be doing drugs... are doing them & giving them a bad name.

While on the other hand we have a gov hellbent on indoctrinating it's citizens into believing opioids are the most deadliest drugs out there, when in reality, most overdoses are accidental poly-drug overdoses & even then, the annual amount is still less than the amount of people killed by alcohol every year. And these statistics are also readily available on... you guessed it, google.

From my last interaction with OP, I gather they enjoy asking ridiculous, immature questions, only to berate the people who respond & treat them as if they don't know anything. When in reality, it's OP that doesn't know anything or they wouldn't be asking such ridiculous questions to begin with.

Heroin is far from being the "most deadly drug" or the "worst addiction (in terms of physical damage)".

Blaming the drug war on drug addicts is a bit pointless.

I agree on the rest.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Blaming the drug war on drug addicts is a bit pointless.

I agree on the rest.

Not blaming the drug war in it's entirety on addicts, was just trying to drive home the point how uneducated drug users aren't helping to de-stigamatize drug use in any way, considering most doctors or people in "authority" already assume that addicts don't know jack about the drugs they use & that only they know what's best for them since the addict is just oh so incapable of understanding drugs or how they work.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

But isn't fentanyl and heroïne highest rated in terms of overdosis ? Not physical damage no way alcohol is much more damaging thats for sure . But still alcohol is used by most people you have to account for that no?

"Highest rated" by who? You have to account for the fact that there are chronic pain patients who also use opioids, ontop of "addicts" who use street opioids. So there are probably just as many people using some form of opioid as there are people who get wasted, statistically speaking.

If most opioid overdoses are from super potent fentanyl & poly-substance use, then that means the actual OD numbers on opioids (which already lower than alcohol) is even lower than that, because you can't blame an opioid for the death of some one who has alcohol, benzos, stimulants & then OD's on fentanyl. Yet a lot overdoses like that get counted as "opioid deaths" anyway.

I had 15 years of using opioids including heroin & never once overdosed. It didn't take me long to realize that you are not as likely to OD on opioids as mainstream propaganda has convinced everyone to think. Especially if you're educated & responsible enough to asses your own tolerance & not mix opioids with 500 other downers like I did.

Most opioid overdoses are also accidents, because people are not taught that it's dangerous to combine CNS depressants with opioids.

Ironically in places where opioids are legal (including heroin), they seem to have LESS to NO "opioid deaths".... Wonder why that is.
In fact, Switzerland did a study in the 2000's where they gave prisoners heroin daily & for awhile. And there was not one death the entire time & they also noted that the prisoners on heroin were more likely to work & be active than those who weren't.
Most of what people believe about heroin & opioids is general is propaganda put out by the lovely US of A. The country with the highest incarceration rate, still putting people in cages for exerting their right to bodily autonomy.

In pain or nothings working for your depression? Well of course we can't give you opiates!! Cause we care SO MUCH about your safety & wellbeing! But you can legally go out & drink yourself to death if you'd like! Freedom!!! - The US

 

[Mjäll]

Not blaming the drug war in it's entirety on addicts, was just trying to drive home the point how uneducated drug users aren't helping to de-stigamatize drug use in any way, considering most doctors or people in "authority" already assume that addicts don't know jack about the drugs they use & that only they know what's best for them since the addict is just oh so incapable of understanding drugs or how they work.

Fair point in and of itself. Such behavior is detrimental. I just get a bit worried when drug users seem to turn on each other in general. Detrimental as it may be, the behavior in question is a provoked response in powerless people, and not a prime cause. But i guess you haven't forgotten the bigger enemies.

I'm guilty of the same myself at times.

 

[Kizaru]

"Highest rated" by who? You have to account for the fact that there are chronic pain patients who also use opioids, ontop of "addicts" who use street opioids. So there are probably just as many people using some form of opioid as there are people who get wasted, statistically speaking.

If most opioid overdoses are from super potent fentanyl & poly-substance use, then that means the actual OD numbers on opioids (which already lower than alcohol) is even lower than that, because you can't blame an opioid for the death of some one who has alcohol, benzos, stimulants & then OD's on fentanyl. Yet a lot overdoses like that get counted as "opioid deaths" anyway.

I had 15 years of using opioids including heroin & never once overdosed. It didn't take me long to realize that you are not as likely to OD on opioids as mainstream propaganda has convinced everyone to think. Especially if you're educated & responsible enough to asses your own tolerance & not mix opioids with 500 other downers like I did.

Most opioid overdoses are also accidents, because people are not taught that it's dangerous to combine CNS depressants with opioids.

Ironically in places where opioids are legal (including heroin), they seem to have LESS to NO "opioid deaths".... Wonder why that is.
In fact, Switzerland did a study in the 2000's where they gave prisoners heroin daily & for awhile. And there was not one death the entire time & they also noted that the prisoners on heroin were more likely to work & be active than those who weren't.
Most of what people believe about heroin & opioids is general is propaganda put out by the lovely US of A. The country with the highest incarceration rate, still putting people in cages for exerting their right to bodily autonomy.

In pain or nothings working for your depression? Well of course we can't give you opiates!! Cause we care SO MUCH about your safety & wellbeing! But you can legally go out & drink yourself to death if you'd like! Freedom!!! - The US

"Highest rated" by who? You have to account for the fact that there are chronic pain patients who also use opioids, ontop of "addicts" who use street opioids. So there are probably just as many people using some form of opioid as there are people who get wasted, statistically speaking.

If most opioid overdoses are from super potent fentanyl & poly-substance use, then that means the actual OD numbers on opioids (which already lower than alcohol) is even lower than that, because you can't blame an opioid for the death of some one who has alcohol, benzos, stimulants & then OD's on fentanyl. Yet a lot overdoses like that get counted as "opioid deaths" anyway.

I had 15 years of using opioids including heroin & never once overdosed. It didn't take me long to realize that you are not as likely to OD on opioids as mainstream propaganda has convinced everyone to think. Especially if you're educated & responsible enough to asses your own tolerance & not mix opioids with 500 other downers like I did.

Most opioid overdoses are also accidents, because people are not taught that it's dangerous to combine CNS depressants with opioids.

Ironically in places where opioids are legal (including heroin), they seem to have LESS to NO "opioid deaths".... Wonder why that is.
In fact, Switzerland did a study in the 2000's where they gave prisoners heroin daily & for awhile. And there was not one death the entire time & they also noted that the prisoners on heroin were more likely to work & be active than those who weren't.
Most of what people believe about heroin & opioids is general is propaganda put out by the lovely US of A. The country with the highest incarceration rate, still putting people in cages for exerting their right to bodily autonomy.

In pain or nothings working for your depression? Well of course we can't give you opiates!! Cause we care SO MUCH about your safety & wellbeing! But you can legally go out & drink yourself to death if you'd like! Freedom!!! - The US

No i have no clue if its highest rated , maybe fentanyl is highest rated in opioide overdosis . But i have read and see many times that its pretty easy to od (nodd off) from heroïne . Also could you give a link to that switz study from 2000 i am interested ? Also where exactly is heroïne legal Besides Portugal ? And could you also specifically link those research data ? You use opioides for depression and or chronic pain if i may ask ? Greets !

 

[Kizaru]

"Highest rated" by who? You have to account for the fact that there are chronic pain patients who also use opioids, ontop of "addicts" who use street opioids. So there are probably just as many people using some form of opioid as there are people who get wasted, statistically speaking.

If most opioid overdoses are from super potent fentanyl & poly-substance use, then that means the actual OD numbers on opioids (which already lower than alcohol) is even lower than that, because you can't blame an opioid for the death of some one who has alcohol, benzos, stimulants & then OD's on fentanyl. Yet a lot overdoses like that get counted as "opioid deaths" anyway.

I had 15 years of using opioids including heroin & never once overdosed. It didn't take me long to realize that you are not as likely to OD on opioids as mainstream propaganda has convinced everyone to think. Especially if you're educated & responsible enough to asses your own tolerance & not mix opioids with 500 other downers like I did.

Most opioid overdoses are also accidents, because people are not taught that it's dangerous to combine CNS depressants with opioids.

Ironically in places where opioids are legal (including heroin), they seem to have LESS to NO "opioid deaths".... Wonder why that is.
In fact, Switzerland did a study in the 2000's where they gave prisoners heroin daily & for awhile. And there was not one death the entire time & they also noted that the prisoners on heroin were more likely to work & be active than those who weren't.
Most of what people believe about heroin & opioids is general is propaganda put out by the lovely US of A. The country with the highest incarceration rate, still putting people in cages for exerting their right to bodily autonomy.

In pain or nothings working for your depression? Well of course we can't give you opiates!! Cause we care SO MUCH about your safety & wellbeing! But you can legally go out & drink yourself to death if you'd like! Freedom!!! - The US

The age-adjusted rate of overdose deaths increased by 31% from 2019 (21.6 per 100,000) to 2020 (28.3 per 100,000). Opioids—mainly synthetic opioids (other than methadone)—are currently the main driver of drug overdose deaths. 82.3% of opioid-involved overdose deaths involved synthetic opioids.