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๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ Social ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒŸ Gibberings ver. CCXIX - "what's new, c*nty chops?"

Nas47 said:
Excuse me..Axe..but are u sure,that Jabberwocky&,Chin up?I though,they are different persons..i know,that some use to chsnging their accounts....for what reason idk...๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜ถ
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It's a WORD . . . not a PERSON.


Take care. I hope that you are having a good day and taking care of yourself by staying healthy !! <3;)๐Ÿ‘


But yes they are talking about a Jabberwocky.
 
Arnold said:
Because she told me....

She was banned from one point or two points which means a day or two ban to a three month ban.
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yeah, but not permanantly banned iirc...

my feeling is she asked for jabberwocky to at her account

I damnwell hope so anyway, as there was a fuckton of valuable hr stuff there, and if it was deleted by staff, well...
 
kiely said:
It's a WORD . . . not a PERSON.


Take care. I hope that you are having a good day and taking care of yourself by staying healthy !! <3;)๐Ÿ‘


But yes they are talking about a Jabberwocky.
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I don't know the meaning of this word-jabberwocky.(must check it out)...i_ve been talkin'about an account with name Jabberwocky....which i think is an old BL member....cause i am relatively new.Thabks for wishes bro/sis...take care for u tooโ™ฅ๏ธ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜€
 
Chinup asked to be jabber'ed twice. The final request by her came on November 25, 2022. She put it in writing. It's in black and white. It can't be denied. She asked for it twice and her wish was finally granted. She may regret asking for it once it was actually done but that doesn't change the fact that it was her decision.

Any more speculation on why chinup isn't here, who did what to whom, what was said and wasn't said and what mod did what won't be tolerated anymore. She isn't here to comment on things and I'm sure she is still reading the forum. If she wants to make another account and log on and comment she is welcome to do so. I know the members miss her and I know some were very close to her but posting comments that are wrong and speculating about what happened isn't fair to her or is it productive. Future posts that are saying how good she was on here and that you miss her and wish she would come back are fine. Posts arguing about what she said and didn't say are not. All the members know is what was said to them. By her. Other things were said that you don't know about.

Everybody had their say about what they thought went down and now it's time to put that to rest.
 
Bluelight is a democracy and our constitution is the BLUA (which applies to staff as well).

What chinup has told many of you is not consistent with what actually happened on the staff forums or in private conversations with other staff, including myself.

We all loved chinup and NONE of us wanted her to leave, but this drama is getting really old guys. There are things that happened that we cannot discuss because we can't divulge staff discussions, which leads to speculation because chinup gave you a different version of events.
 
Bleaney said:
@axe battler How is your arm, I bet that's been stinging in the cold? And who is the guy in your profile pic?
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It's itchy whilst it's healing and it's frustrating having to keep it covered. It's healing really quite quickly though. Thanks for asking!
My profile isn't really anyone huge tbf. I'll give you a clue, he's a musician. That's all you're getting for now ๐Ÿคฃ
 
Nas47 said:
Excuse me..Axe..but are u sure,that Jabberwocky&,Chin up?I though,they are different persons..i know,that some use to chsnging their accounts....for what reason idk...๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ˜ถ
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You can have your posts appear under the fake username Jabberwocky. Say for instance if you had a psycho ex or employer find out you used your original username, you can ask admin to Jabberwocky your account to protect your anonymity.
There's probably other reasons people would do it too, maybe if BL was a trigger for addiction and they wanted to obliterate their account.
 
Snafu in the Void said:
Bluelight is a democracy and our constitution is the BLUA (which applies to staff as well).

What chinup has told many of you is not consistent with what actually happened on the staff forums or in private conversations with other staff, including myself.

We all loved chinup and NONE of us wanted her to leave, but this drama is getting really old guys. There are things that happened that we cannot discuss because we can't divulge staff discussions, which leads to speculation because chinup gave you a different version of events.
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Why did you start your post with "Bluelight is a democracy"? What's it got to do with the rest of your post which goes on to talk about anti-democratic positions?

And you certainly can't divulge staff discussions (and reviews) that never actually happened can you?

;)
 
For the sake of clarity on a few points:

How and why chinup left staff is her business, and nobody else's. If she chooses to share that with folks, again that's her business not anyone else's. The only reason staff might have to step in and address statements about it is if there are misrepresentations, intentional or by a lack of information, which need to be addressed. I'm not seeing that, and appreciate that folks aren't re-hashing her situation - it's her business.
  • In her departure, she initially did request to be jabberwockied*. But several of us, myself among them, were very reluctant to do so. Largely in part because she made tremendous contributions over the years for which she ought retain credit. And, in part because at the time many of us hoped her real life could get sorted and we could get our chinup back. That was the hope, and so we did not act on that initial request, and she came to agree the request was made rashly and ought not be followed through on.
  • As time progressed, it became clear she was doing better, happier and healthier away from all the drama here. Something everyone wished for her, whether it be with us or moving on from us.
  • Recently we had an issue where actions were taken by an individual that was not in alignment with the rest of senior staff. One such action was to act on that early request for jabberwocky despite the admin and chinup having agreed not to. I have reached out to chinup as this is NOT how we operate and I have apologized on behalf of staff for this mistake. I've offered to make amends as best I can.
  • Of the actions to be cleaned up, the jabberwockey'ing of an account is perhaps the most difficult. I'll explain that below.

I'll pause for a moment to re-iterate - this was not what chinup wanted, and not what the admin had agreed to with her. However, as she chooses to share any anger or outrage over it (understandable) with friends, that is her choice. At the time, neither she, nor anyone else she relays things to, would be fully aware of what happened, or what we are trying to undo. You're operating with partial information. Justified anger, but partial information. Likewise, not everything the admin discuss with a member, nor the actions we take or why, is always shared with all of staff. Sometimes we'll see mods and smods trying to address a situation as best they can, but they too may not have all the information. I see a lot of deleted remarks in this thread - from both members and staff. I'm not going to dig through and try to evaluate un-deleting anything, my priority is addressing chinup as best we can. I will simply ask that ALL parties recognize this was a mistake, one we are trying to remedy.

I'll close the main point here with an apology to the staff who have tried to address this issue in public discourse. It is my fault for going direct with chinup on the matter and not seeing the public flare up needing to be addressed. It is also my failure in not informing staff (below admin) of what actions I am taking to remedy this, so you were not fully informed - that is on me. But I thank you for your efforts to stay honest with the best information you had, and to try and address member concerns.

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For those unaware on Jabberwockey. It exists for a purpose, as a means to retain public posts when someone needs to have their account disappeared for whatever reason. We don't advertise this, because given our drug fueled membership people often get too high and freak out or find themselves in a bad mental state and makin bad decisions about their account. Before we eer consider merging them into Jabberwockey, we always have a few days of cool down to ensure it is based on rational thinking and a real need. But once done, we cannot un-merge. It is a very simple few button clicks to merge an account into Jabber, thereby letting this generic account own all the public posts and vanishing the original account. However, this also moves ALL existing PM discussions from the original account into Jabber. There is no way to un-merge the account back out. It no longer exists and as in this case with chinup, I'd have to make a NEW account for her. There is no way to split the posts back out from jabber from within the software, nor to return to PMs to that new account. I have to go into the database and see if I can extract the PMs and provide them to her external to Bluelight. The posts would have to be addressed one at a time, manually doing some edits within the forums to move ownership across, this involves a lot of copying-editing and general black magic on my part to make it happen. Luckily, chinup has only listed four threads for me to return to her at this point. More important to her, and myself, is that she get her PMs going back years, which I believe I can do as an export, just not within the site or back to any new account. Jabbering is a serious action, one we do not take lightly and in principle it cannot be undone...but I will do what I can for her.
 
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Well, this has been valuable with respect to my considerations. I made the mistake of liking a post that in retrospect, I still largely support despite now acknowledging that it opens with a statement that is objectively not the case. By co - signing the post I have been called out by an OG member whom I have the upmost respect for who put me right in my place as being a fundamental example of what many feels is wrong with BL.

Maybe I always have been as despite rarely posting any more, this one action was enough to at least create negative optics. As such it is pretty clear that I have no right to think I deserve the privilege to rejoin the EADD mod team.

I am sorry for letting you all down, both the BL volunteers and especially the members but its clear that this forum deserves better than my irrelevant ass.
 
TheLoveBandit said:
For the sake of clarity on a few points:

How and why chinup left staff is her business, and nobody else's. If she chooses to share that with folks, again that's her business not anyone else's. The only reason staff might have to step in and address statements about it is if there are misrepresentations, intentional or by a lack of information, which need to be addressed. I'm not seeing that, and appreciate that folks aren't re-hashing her situation - it's her business.
  • In her departure, she initially did request to be jabberwockied*. But several of us, myself among them, were very reluctant to do so. Largely in part because she made tremendous contributions over the years for which she ought retain credit. And, in part because at the time many of us hoped her real life could get sorted and we could get our chinup back. That was the hope, and so we did not act on that initial request, and she came to agree the request was made rashly and ought not be followed through on.
  • As time progressed, it became clear she was doing better, happier and healthier away from all the drama here. Something everyone wished for her, whether it be with us or moving on from us.
  • Recently we had an issue where actions were taken by an individual that was not in alignment with the rest of senior staff. One such action was to act on that early request for jabberwocky despite the admin and chinup having agreed not to. I have reached out to chinup as this is NOT how we operate and I have apologized on behalf of staff for this mistake. I've offered to make amends as best I can.
  • Of the actions to be cleaned up, the jabberwockey'ing of an account is perhaps the most difficult. I'll explain that below.

I'll pause for a moment to re-iterate - this was not what chinup wanted, and not what the admin had agreed to with her. However, as she chooses to share any anger or outrage over it (understandable) with friends, that is her choice. At the time, neither she, nor anyone else she relays things to, would be fully aware of what happened, or what we are trying to undo. You're operating with partial information. Justified anger, but partial information. Likewise, not everything the admin discuss with a member, nor the actions we take or why, is always shared with all of staff. Sometimes we'll see mods and smods trying to address a situation as best they can, but they too may not have all the information. I see a lot of deleted remarks in this thread - from both members and staff. I'm not going to dig through and try to evaluate un-deleting anything, my priority is addressing chinup as best we can. I will simply ask that ALL parties recognize this was a mistake, one we are trying to remedy.

I'll close the main point here with an apology to the staff who have tried to address this issue in public discourse. It is my fault for going direct with chinup on the matter and not seeing the public flare up needing to be addressed. It is also my failure in not informing staff (below admin) of what actions I am taking to remedy this, so you were not fully informed - that is on me. But I thank you for your efforts to stay honest with the best information you had, and to try and address member concerns.

= = = ==

For those unaware on Jabberwockey. It exists for a purpose, as a means to retain public posts when someone needs to have their account disappeared for whatever reason. We don't advertise this, because given our drug fueled membership people often get too high and freak out or find themselves in a bad mental state and makin bad decisions about their account. Before we eer consider merging them into Jabberwockey, we always have a few days of cool down to ensure it is based on rational thinking and a real need. But once done, we cannot un-merge. It is a very simple few button clicks to merge an account into Jabber, thereby letting this generic account own all the public posts and vanishing the original account. However, this also moves ALL existing PM discussions from the original account into Jabber. There is no way to un-merge the account back out. It no longer exists and as in this case with chinup, I'd have to make a NEW account for her. There is no way to split the posts back out from jabber from within the software, nor to return to PMs to that new account. I have to go into the database and see if I can extract the PMs and provide them to her external to Bluelight. The posts would have to be addressed one at a time, manually doing some edits within the forums to move ownership across, this involves a lot of copying-editing and general black magic on my part to make it happen. Luckily, chinup has only listed four threads for me to return to her at this point. More important to her, and myself, is that she get her PMs going back years, which I believe I can do as an export, just not within the site or back to any new account. Jabbering is a serious action, one we do not take lightly and in principle it cannot be undone...but I will do what I can for her.
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I don't understand why you are taking the blame for two of your moderators blatantly and with bad intentions are fully lying and suppressing any opposition by purposedly deleting relevant comments.

You didn't put them up to that.
They 'masterminded' that plan themselves.

Oh or post proof :ROFLMAO:
 
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