Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

Decided to cut 25 mg pills in half instead of jumping off today. So that’s what I’m doing but all last night AND today I’ve had mad restless leg syndrome. Body feels twitchy and tight, like I could seize at any given moment (seizure threshold is definitely lowered, good thing I don’t do hard no more lol) but my depression and anhedonia are lessened, which I guess is good. Anxiety still sky-high tho. Probably I shouldn’t be drinking coffee lol but as I can’t sleep well I sort of don’t have any choice in the matter.
 
Be the person
who breaks the cycle. If you were
judged, choose understanding. If you
were rejected, choose acceptance. If
you were shamed, choose compassion.
Be the person you needed when you
were hurting, not the person who hurt
you. Vow to be better than what broke
you - to heal instead of becoming bitter
so you can act from your heart, not
your pain.

💙🕊️


Thnxx
 
Beautiful @hylite.
You always know what to say and you are very wise.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom with me and for caring about me.
I can feel your love.
You are just the best, most beautiful, and wonderful soul that I have ever had the pleasure of coming across.
Wish I could hug you but I send my love through time and space.
Always my love.
Thank you.
You helped me a lot.
❤️💕
 
Decided to cut 25 mg pills in half instead of jumping off today. So that’s what I’m doing but all last night AND today I’ve had mad restless leg syndrome. Body feels twitchy and tight, like I could seize at any given moment (seizure threshold is definitely lowered, good thing I don’t do hard no more lol) but my depression and anhedonia are lessened, which I guess is good. Anxiety still sky-high tho. Probably I shouldn’t be drinking coffee lol but as I can’t sleep well I sort of don’t have any choice in the matter.
Don’t do it so fast that you put yourself in seizure territory.
Slow and steady.
Wait it out for your body to adjust and then wait some more.
Hold there for two more weeks once you feel stable.
You need to give your body some time to heal there before you shock it again.
Try the doxylamine for anxiety and insomnia.
I hope you get some relief real soon.
I understand how you feel.
Nothing worse than that feeling.
*hugs
 
Beautiful @hylite.
You always know what to say and you are very wise.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom with me and for caring about me.
I can feel your love.
You are just the best, most beautiful, and wonderful soul that I have ever had the pleasure of coming across.
Wish I could hug you but I send my love through time and space.
Always my love.
Thank you.
You helped me a lot.
❤️💕
BUT YOU ARE THE REAL GIFT !!!!! 🎁

lol. But I do love you anyway !! <3🕊️ :);)
 
OMG IM SO MOFO ANXIOUS!!!! The physical symptoms are absolutely killing me as well. Fuck Topamax. This feels almost as bad as coming off of Xanax! Did I taper too fast?!
Yes,you tapered too fast! I think you were taking 100 and know 25. Redose to 75 for a week. Then you turn to 50 next week.
Then 40, 30,25,20,15,10,7.5,5,2.5 then you are free. You can do it weekly or if you want to go Faster taper every 3-4days. If you do it like this you wont feel any WD symptoms. And after you go for pregabalin. Reduce 10-20%
every week. How are you sleeping?
 
There's going to be very
painful moments in your life
that will change your entire
world in a matter of minutes.
These moments will change
YOU.
Let them make you stronger,
smarter, and kinder. But don't
you go and become someone
that you're not.
Cry. Scream if you have to.
Then you straighten out that
crown and
keep it moving.

<3🕊️
I really love this.
It is worth repeating.
I am going to write this down and put it on my mirror, so I see it every morning and night.
I find singing helps.
Using your voice helps to get these pent up emotions OUT!
Sing my friends. Crank up the music and let it rip!
Then straighten out that crown and KEEP IT MOVING!

The worst thing we can do is just fall into stagnation.
Keep going.
It matters not whether you fail or succeed.
At least you are still trying and sooner or later you will find the just right place and then you fight like hell to stay there!
Don’t give up.
 
OMG IM SO MOFO ANXIOUS!!!! The physical symptoms are absolutely killing me as well. Fuck Topamax. This feels almost as bad as coming off of Xanax! Did I taper too fast?!
You tapered too fast. You were at 100mg and you tapered to 25. Its too much!
Reduce 10-20% every week and you're gonna feel any WD symptom. How are you sleeping?
Dont taper pregabalin at the same time.
If youre feeling anxious take a small dose of benzo if you have. Only if its necessary
 
pBeautiful @hylite.
You always know what to say and you are very wise.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom with me and for caring about me.
I can feel your love.
You are just the best, most beautiful, and wonderful soul that I have ever had the pleasure of coming across.
Wish I could hug you but I send Pmy love through time and space.
Always my love.
Thank you.
You helped me a lot.p
❤️💕
Hi Im new at this site that I really love.
Im Spanish so excuse me, my english is really basic.
I've been touched of your words. You have a lot of love to give and send.
Well Im not tapering now but I have Almost 30 years of using drugs, so id love to help if i can.
What are you tapering? Opiates? How are you feeling?
Im happy about Vitamin C is working for you.

Peace and Love
 
ToYes,you tapered too fast! I think you were taking 100 and know 25. Redose to 75 for a week. Then you turn to 50 next week.
Then 40, 30,25,20,15,10,7.5,5,2.5 then you are free. You can do it weekly or if you want to go Faster taper every 3-4days. If you do it like this you wont feel any WD symptoms. And after you go for pregabalin. Reduce 10-20%
every week. How are you sleeping?

You tapered too fast. You were at 100mg and you tapered to 25. Its too much!
Reduce 10-20% every week and you're gonna feel any WD symptom. How are you sleeping?
Dont taper pregabalin at the same time.
If youre feeling anxious take a small dose of benzo if you have. Only if its necessary
This is the correct way to do it and the least painful.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking you can jump from 25 mg.
You must keep tapering down to 2.5 mg before you even think about jumping.
Go back up @xtcgrrrl and take it slower.
You need sleep.

Thank you @kongoman
This is sound advise and the correct way to taper.
If done correctly, it isn’t bad at all.
Uncomfortable at times but you will not be put in that place where you are gripped by anxiety, cannot sleep, and your body feels tight and on the verge of seizure.
That is dangerous territory, your body is telling you.

This can be done. I know, I have done it before.
Many times in fact and the key is exactly what @kongoman has Outlined here.
 
Hi Im new at this site that I really love.
Im Spanish so excuse me, my english is really basic.
I've been touched of your words. You have a lot of love to give and send.
Well Im not tapering now but I have Almost 30 years of using drugs, so id love to help if i can.
What are you tapering? Opiates? How are you feeling?
Im happy about Vitamin C is working for you.

Peace and Love
Well, I am not really tapering anything as I am injured and do have chronic pain.
I overused my medication. Fell off a stable plan that has been working for me for many years.
I overused my MS Contin and then overused my clonazepam to help with the horror of no MS Contin for a week.
I have been cutting my clonazepam in half so I can make it until refill.
It has me on edge but not nearly as bad as if I had none.
I have a bad REM sleep disorder and the drop on clonazepam has me not sleeping well.
Nightmares, talking in my sleep, acting out my dreams and hurting myself by moving weird in my half sleep.

I am sticking it out and not overusing my MS Contin or gabapentin to help the shortage in clonazepam.
I just have to make it until the 10th and then I can get myself fully straightened out again.

That is the mistake, is to use other medication’s to cover other medication shortages (that were my own stupid fault).
I know how much I suffer when I get myself into this vicious cycle.
Nothing to do about it but catch it and break it ASAP.

The goal for me is to stay on the plan that works!

I am so happy to have you here.
You have great experience and guidance.
We need you!
Welcome my friend and do not worry about your English.
You are communicating effectively!
Thank you for the support and love.
❤️
 
people in this world.
We feel other people’s pain and we somehow cleanse negative energy from this Earth.
It is a hard job. Useful at times to be so sensitive, but, drives us to get some relief.
I have a similar theory.
Life is hard, for everyone. Rich or poor, black or white, doesn’t matter. We all have stress. Some people blame their problems on everyone else. Some of us absorb everyone else’s pain. Life is easier when your mind can tune it all out. Sociopaths don’t have to work to ‘tune it out’, but the rest of us need help. That’s where the drugs become important.

Diabetics have a physical problem that requires medication. Same for those with cardiovascular disease. Their drugs are seen as ‘medically necessary’. Clinical depression wasn’t a real diagnosis until around 1990 and now they get Prozac. Autism wasn’t really understood until recently (no pill for that yet). What happens to the rest of us who have a legitimate problem that has no name or treatment yet?

If I drink alcohol for my problems then I’m labeled an alcoholic. Use marijuana and I’m a stoner. Use opiates and I’m just a junkie. But how many suicides does it take before someone like us can get help? It’s not always a question of why I’m an addict. Sometimes the question is “What am I trying to escape”.

Most days it feels like I have lived next to an airport my whole life and the booze, or pills, or weed, are the only way I have to drown out the noise and get some peace.
 
Well, I am not really tapering anything as I am injured and do have chronic pain.
I overused my medication. Fell off a stable plan that has been working for me for many years.
I overused my MS Contin and then overused my clonazepam to help with the horror of no MS Contin for a week.
I have been cutting my clonazepam in half so I can make it until refill.
It has me on edge but not nearly as bad as if I had none.
I have a bad REM sleep disorder and the drop on clonazepam has me not sleeping well.
Nightmares, talking in my sleep, acting out my dreams and hurting myself by moving weird in my half sleep.

I am sticking it out and not overusing my MS Contin or gabapentin to help the shortage in clonazepam.
I just have to make it until the 10th and then I can get myself fully straightened out again.

That is the mistake, is to use other medication’s to cover other medication shortages (that were my own stupid fault).
I know how much I suffer when I get myself into this vicious cycle.
Nothing to do about it but catch it and break it ASAP.

The goal for me is to stay on the plan that works!

I am so happy to have you here.
You have great experience and guidance.
We need you!
Welcome my friend and do not worry about your English.
You are communicating effectively!
Thank you for the support and love.
❤️
Thanks for your words! Really touched my heart. I need all of you too. I didnt know that there were sites like this. I think its a very helpfull way to support and share opinions and thinkings.
Well I think that its really dificult to manage this kind of meds like benzos and opies.
I cant do it. Its my mum who gives me the medication everyday at my 43 years specially when you have abused drugs all your life.
Wich is your plan that works?
Wich medication and how many mg?
You say that taking clonazepam makes you not sleeping well, this is I undestood, can you explain me that?
Well thank you for me welcome.
Im feeling nice with all of you

PEACE and LOVE
 
I have a similar theory.
Life is hard, for everyone. Rich or poor, black or white, doesn’t matter. We all have stress. Some people blame their problems on everyone else. Some of us absorb everyone else’s pain. Life is easier when your mind can tune it all out. Sociopaths don’t have to work to ‘tune it out’, but the rest of us need help. That’s where the drugs become important.

Diabetics have a physical problem that requires medication. Same for those with cardiovascular disease. Their drugs are seen as ‘medically necessary’. Clinical depression wasn’t a real diagnosis until around 1990 and now they get Prozac. Autism wasn’t really understood until recently (no pill for that yet). What happens to the rest of us who have a legitimate problem that has no name or treatment yet?

If I drink alcohol for my problems then I’m labeled an alcoholic. Use marijuana and I’m a stoner. Use opiates and I’m just a junkie. But how many suicides does it take before someone like us can get help? It’s not always a question of why I’m an addict. Sometimes the question is “What am I trying to escape”.

Most days it feels like I have lived next to an airport my whole life and the booze, or pills, or weed, are the only way I have to drown out the noise and get some peace.
Well said @Squeaky .
I think we have hit on something very important here.
We need to explore this further.

We need to figure out how to be the absorbers of negative energy and pain without hurting ourselves.
My old doctor who is out now with dementia ☹️ (So sad about this, I loved him and he helped me very much)
He understood this. He is one of us. I was so grateful and I landed at his doorstep by the grace of God.
I was at the end of my rope and holding on by a thread. Very suicidal. So frustrated.
Instead of judging me and labeling me a drug seeker he simply asked me what I needed and then wrote the prescriptions.
I didn’t take advantage of that and was surprised when I asked him for the very least and lowest dosages that made it so I could function as close to a “normal” person as possible.
I thought it a miracle that he understood that we knew what we needed.

I think the answer lies in the spiritual realm.
I have so much love, so much I can spare and give to others through having a Near Death Experience.
It changed my heart and so much more, for the better.
I think I may be a qualified Shaman now to be honest.

LOVE is the strongest thing we can wield.
Forgiveness of ourselves and removing the shame and the guilt was such a HUGE RELIEF!
It was like I was carrying the weight of the world on my shoulders and it was breaking me to my core.

I would love to hear thoughts on this.
I truly believe this is the root of the issue.

YOU are divine and if no one ever told you that....well, you ARE!

❤️
 
Thanks for your words! Really touched my heart. I need all of you too. I didnt know that there were sites like this. I think its a very helpfull way to support and share opinions and thinkings.
Well I think that its really dificult to manage this kind of meds like benzos and opies.
I cant do it. Its my mum who gives me the medication everyday at my 43 years specially when you have abused drugs all your life.
Wich is your plan that works?
Wich medication and how many mg?
You say that taking clonazepam makes you not sleeping well, this is I undestood, can you explain me that?
Well thank you for me welcome.
Im feeling nice with all of you

PEACE and LOVE
I know that we can ALL make it out of the darkness and be the best that we can be ONLY by helping one another and sticking together.
You are my people and I am your people.
Who else could understand us on this deep level? No one.

It is very difficult to manage these types of medication because they have a strong addiction risk.
I do not think dependence is the same as addiction.
Dependence happens when someone uses these medications for their intended purposes and you know what else?
It is okay if we really require these medications for health issues so that we can live a full life instead of desperately trying to figure out the combination of what will help and go overboard seeking relief.
Trying anything and everything that might help and then we get stuck into an unwanted addiction.
Granted, there are those who just want to feel wasted and party but I think most of us are desperately seeking relief from real health issues.
I just want to feel normal. These medications do not make me feel wasted, they make me feel normal.

For example, I found out that I have an REM sleep disorder.
That is where your body does not produce the right stuff to keep you from moving when you dream and you act out your dreams and end up breaking a foot or something by kicking the wall while dreaming you are kicking a ball.
Your body usually keeps you paralyzed while dreaming so you don’t move much and hurt yourself.
This sleep disorder also causes very vivid dreams that you have a hard time separating from reality.
The only medication that controls this sleep disorder is clonazepam.
So...me being low on clonazepam and cutting my dosage in half, has my sleep disorder flared up.

I was also in a bad car accident and have injuries that cause me chronic pain that requires strong pain medication.
I get very severe cluster headaches which actually brain damage me every time I go through one.
The car accident knocked those out of control and I was getting them almost everyday. I was crippled by them.
Long acting slow release morphine has made it so I have maybe 1-2 of these horrific, brain damaging, cluster headaches a year now and when I do have one, it is far less severe.
It has saved my life!

I also have my mom give me my pain medication at age 50. Lol!
Because it gets tempting at times to take a little extra when emotional pain comes along, such as the murder of my friend.
Emotional pain flares up my physical pain.
I have done very well with not overusing it. It does happen but not often.

I think there are valid reasons to use these types of medications.
Like @Squeaky was saying, we don’t label someone a drug addict who requires insulin, etc...
We should not have to be labeled and- or feel shame about needing these medications.
They are valuable and extremely effective medications when used properly.

The plan that has worked for me, with my health problem has been this:
600 mg gabapentin 3 times a day
30 mg MS Contin (slow release, long acting morphine) 3 times a day
1 mg clonazepam at night for sleep disorder
When I stick to this plan like glue, I am a person who can eat, sleep, laugh, have a sense of humor shine through, interact with others, leave my house.
Otherwise, I am curled up in a ball moaning in pain with severe migraine, cluster headaches that knock out my vision, knock out everything and brain damage me.

You see?

We are all unique individuals who have different needs and issues.
I do not feel any shame over needing these medications because I REALLY need them.
I tried suicide before I finally got the right help.
That is when I had a Near Death Experience.

I learned many spiritual things and much knowledge of the soul and the afterlife, etc... through this NDE.
I feel I can help others with what I know now.
I just don’t exactly know how to use it.

I do know that LOVE is the answer. It has always been the answer.
Listening is key to figuring out how to help others find the plan that works for them.

Peace and Love to you my friend.
I really like your insight and your willingness to help others through your experience.
We need you and others like you and I am glad you are here.
We can find answers TOGETHER!
❤️
 
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Lol! No one is touching those comments huh?
It is alright friends.
I have a bit different problems that honestly require these medications or I am in more than just withdrawal.
But, I understand about that problem. Very much.
It took me a long time to find what worked and lots of trial and error.

Hope everyone is doing alright today.
 

for you @kongoman
thank you darling!
You are so SPECIAL! and you write like the àngels do. You make people feeling irie like
the jamaican people says. I really feel or maybe DREAM of talking with you. Lots of thoughts in this moment....I have to thank you another time for being like you are, even if I don't know you. I learn ,you teach. You're sweet like honey...I can continue but I gonna stop. Lots of wellbeing and Love for everyone, specially for who is suffering with a drug adiction, or having a mental ilness.


peace&Love


PD.I'll use this translator, cause I need it hahaha
 
Don’t do it so fast that you put yourself in seizure territory.
Slow and steady.
Wait it out for your body to adjust and then wait some more.
Hold there for two more weeks once you feel stable.
You need to give your body some time to heal there before you shock it again.
Try the doxylamine for anxiety and insomnia.
I hope you get some relief real soon.
I understand how you feel.
Nothing worse than that feeling.
*hugs
Thanks for the responses! I’m feeling a bit better today. But I don’t have much motivation to do anything
Anxiety still there
It’s been raining for 5 days now and I’m sick of it
I miss my boyfriend
I’m lonely


Sorry for all the whining. I can’t seem to function today.
 
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